Adam Fresco, Crime Correspondent
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It is only a matter of time before an armed officer is faced with having to shoot a child pointing a gun at them, a senior Home Office official has said.
Children as young as 8 are growing up with guns in their lives and think nothing of storing or transporting firearms for gang leaders, said Jon Murphy, head of the gun crime task force.
“It’s a classic no-win situation,” he added. “The volatility of these kids may make them pull the trigger. If they are challenged by an armed officer it is their inability to rationalise what is happening that will put the officer in a difficult position.
“I cannot see a way, with the way that things are going, that this awful scenario is not going to happen. As soon as they point the gun at the officer the officer will have no choice but to shoot. Fifteen years ago a gang feud may have been settled with a fist fight, ten years ago with a knife fight but now it will be guns.”
In the past five years the number of young people prosecuted for firearms offences has risen by 20 per cent.
Speaking at the first European Serious Organised Crime Conference, in Liverpool, Mr Murphy told The Times that for many youngsters gangs took the place of a family.
Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, told the conference about a Lithuanian gang that had “steadily been increasing the flow of illegal firearms”. The guns ended up “in the hands of those too young, too bad or too foolish to do other than shoot each other with them”, he added.
— Police in Merseyside have a plan aimed at key criminals, based on a successful US operation to cut gun crime in Boston. They have drawn up a hitlist of the main suspects and have promised they will get “very special attention”. Detective Chief Superintendent Stephen Moore said: “If you use a gun you will be seeing us sooner rather than later.”
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GJB: oh dear, how misguided can you be? How out of touch with the reality of the real firearms world you are. It is probably best if you leave comment on matters of this ilk to those who know. You, obviously, do not.
Bill Stevens, london, UK
At least the policeman has a choice, the good citizen has no gun to defend himself or family with.
Malcolm , Edinburgh,
Glad to see children asserting their ancient right to keep and bear arms. Children simply don't have the boxes that adults must normally think inside, and so it's up to them to get adults to see sense.
We should repeal Britains firearms laws.
Adam, London, UK
I am very sorry, but if children are allowed to grow up feral, what can be done? This is the result of two things. " Radical egalitarianism ', and ' radical individualism '. Both exist when the rules of society are ignored. When the ' VISION ' people have their way, this is what happens. Not to their kids, but only the peasants. When there are no consequences for any actions, the result is anarchy and chaos. The amazing thing is that it has taken so long to find this truth. This is just another piece of the slope to degeneracy and debauch that our ' society ' seems hell bent on sliding down. Thank God for the Great Society! These kids need to be locked up until they can learn. Ditto with their mothers, I can guarantee there are no fathers, aka sperm doners.
Desmond Taylor, Houston, USA Tx
The answer is simple.
Train the police to aim for the legs and not the body.
I used to shoot pistol before the Dunblane fiasco and a group of 10 shots inside the 9 ring (approx. 3 inches diameter) at 25 metres was the norm for most club shooters - and that was one handed.
We used to meet twice a week and fire 30 shots each night (about the same amount to do a proper job on an unarmed Underground passenger). The police have intensive courses where they do nothing but shoot all day so they should be a lot better - and they can use both hands.
GJB, SLOUGH, BERKSHIRE
All my sympathy lies with the Police Officer who may have to shoot the child. I suppose that like the 13 year old girls who get pregnant, these gun toters will be those children who are growing up and maturing at an ever earlier age. Absolute crap. Being allowed by their parents and Human Rights to do things we were taught not to do, does not constitute maturity in the widest sense of the word. A mature person will know that it is not good to get pregnant at 13 or to point a gun at anyone at any age. Can you imagine being a gun Copper and you know that if you do not shootl a child the child may shoot you. This Government and everything that goes with it should be dumped somwhere surrounded by nuclear waste. Like a Knight In Shining Armour coming to our rescue we need COMMON SENSE reinstated in all things. If a Police Officer is forced to shoot a child in self defence, the blame should lie at the parents feet and not the Policers Officers.
Tiny, Birmingham, England
Nice to see the 1997 hadngun ban did such a good job are removeing illegal handguns. Still someone did point this out at the time:
Earl Attlee:
Throughout the passage of the 1997 Act, the Labour Party was remarkably consistent in demanding even tougher legislation, including a complete ban on handguns. It was in its election manifesto as a specific commitment and is trumpeted as the Labour Party's answer to the problem of illegal use and possession of firearms. Its position, as I understand it, is that if legal handguns are banned, then in some miraculous way, as suggested by the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, illegal ones will disappear. If that is not enough, public opinion, at least for the moment, clearly believes the Government's claims for the Bill. In these circumstances, the Salisbury convention will click in. Consequently, we on these Benches will not oppose the question that the Bill be read a second time, despite the fact that we believe it is a rotten measure.
ISAV, Brighton, UK