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Senior members of Gordon Brown’s Cabinet have discussed the idea of holding an immediate referendum on Scottish independence, but have ruled it out on the ground that such a move would only play into the hands of the SNP, Whitehall sources have told The Times.
The issue was discussed, the sources said, at the highest levels of the Government “informally and over coffee” but never reached full British Cabinet level.
The disclosure emerged as Sir Tom Hunter, Scotland’s richest man, stoked the referendum debate north of the Border by calling for an immediate vote to be held on Scotland breaking away from the rest of Britain.
The well-placed sources who have spoken to The Times strongly denied suggestions that a Scottish referendum was ruled out by British ministers because it would have been impossible to hold one while denying the rest of Britain a referendum on the EU’s Lisbon Treaty. One source said: “Why would you want to hold a referendum on Scottish independence when what you would be doing would be putting the constitutional question centre-stage, something which is an SNP desire, not a Labour one?”
“It has nothing to do with the Lisbon Treaty. We were never going to hold a referendum on Lisbon anyway because it is simply not required.
“The main objection to holding a referendum in Scotland is that less than a year ago there was an election in Scotland, where two thirds of voters voted for parties who want Scotland to remain part of the UK.” However, the fact that UK ministers, briefly and informally, spent time discussing the merits of a referendum will come as a surprise to many, especially in the Labour Party in Scotland which, along with the other Unionist parties north of the Border, has set its face firmly against any such test of public opinion on the ground that it is not required.
It will, however, encourage some dissident elements in Labour ranks who believe that this strategy is a mistake and that an early referendum where independence was rejected would put the Nationalists’ raison d’être on the back burner of Scottish politics for a generation. The SNP reacted angrily to the disclosure of the Cabinet discussions. Nicola Sturgeon, the party’s deputy leader, said that British ministers, by “refusing to support the right of the people to determine their future, were putting party interests above Scotland’s interests”.
She added: “The fact that this has been discussed by members of Gordon Brown’s Cabinet underlines the fact that it is Labour in London who are calling the shots over Labour policy on the Scottish constitution. Wendy Alexander, the Scottish Labour leader, is totally hemmed by decisions taken by the leadership in London.”
Sir Tom’s support for an imediate referendum came in an article forScotland on Sunday newspaper. He justified it on the grounds that a vote on separation was needed to clarify Scotland’s constitutional position and to let the country move on.
However he underlined his nonpartisan approach to the issue by accusing all the Scottish political parties – Unionist and Nationalist – of “posturing, positioning and pontificating” in their attempts to reform the constitution.
His contribution came after a week in which the Unionist parties, Labour, Conservatives and Liberal Democrats, have attempted to breathe new life into their cross-party constituional commission and the Nationalists have revealed that they would happily accept a multi-option referendum in which Scots were asked to choose between the status quo, enhanced devolved powers for Holyrood and independence.
The Unionists’ commission will look at which new powers should be devolved from Westminster, short of independence.
Sir Tom, in a rebuff to the multi-option poll favoured by Alex Salmond, the First Minister, said in his newspaper article : “It is my firm belief that the Scottish people deserve the right to vote unequivocally on one key issue. Other issues follow but there is only one vote: Do you want Scotland to be independent or not. Yes or No. Let the people of Scotland decide.”
Sir Tom’s wish for an immediate vote will not be granted, mainly because Unionist parties will not back a Referendum Bill because, they say, there is no demand for a such a vote.
Their opposition to a referendum has allowed the SNP to claim that these parties are antidemocratic although the opinion poll evidence is that if a referendum did go ahead, the Scots, by about three to one, would reject the independence option.
Mr Salmond, however, is to press ahead with his plans for a referendum on separation from the rest of Britain in 2010, knowing that it will not be realised because of the parliamentary arithmetic at Holyrood.
Approaching the 2011 Scottish elections, there is little doubt that Mr Salmond and the Nationalists will attempt to make this issue the defining one of that campaign.

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We in England have to asked ourselves why this and previous generations of GVT Hold desperatly onto Scotland,Even an English labour mp was asked,If every scot voted for independence ,Would london respect that vote?Answer=NO.
Does Scotlands mineral wealth hold the UK up (including England)!
E Reynolds, Blackpool, UK
Scotland has so much more of everything and yet still they want even more . just sickening how the British political class drool over them .and ignore the English
When is England going to be allowed a referendum on home rule ? Westminster do not want this because they know there wil be a massive YES and that will be the end of their nice , pampered , expence account lives at England's expense.
laurence , London, England
I think it's fairly obvious that the senior cabinet members ruled it out because they were afraid that once the people of Scotland knew the truth via the referendum campaign they would break out of the Union in a heartbeat.
Brian Hill, Edinburgh, Scotland
On the issue of an English referendum - I don't think England can kick Scotland out of the Union (just as Scotland can't kick England out) but England could of course vote for their own independence just as I hope Scotland will. On whether this should be a UK or just Scotland referendum I suppose I would compare it to a marriage, one party can leave without the consent of the other, although you can also have situations where the two parties (and there were only two parties to the Act of Union in 1707) agree amicably to separate.
Mike, Glasgow, Scotland
Tibet will become a difficult issue for the British Government if it denies a referendum to the Scottish people...
Laura Fox, Chichester, Sussex
Quote/ âThe main objection to holding a referendum in Scotland is that less than a year ago there was an election in Scotland, where two thirds of voters voted for parties who want Scotland to remain part of the UK.â \Unquote
Obfuscation at its worst; whilst is reasonable to say that al SNP supporters favour Independence it is totally untrue to say that ALL Pro- Independence supporters vote or even support the SNP. There are Independence supporters in all political parties. The Labour need to be reminded that âHome Rule for Scotlandâ was a founding policy of their party and remained a policy until the 50âs, when the London Centric element took control and removed it from the Scottish Labour Parties policy.
The proof of the pudding remains in the fact that the Unionist parties are afraid to put the question to the test. The longer they wait the more time the SNP have to demonstrate the potential benefits of Independence.
Sanny, Glasgow, Scotland
Sorry Tom, you may be the richest man in Scotland but when it comes to politics your money counts for nothing.
In the UK its possible to buy Honours and even Questions in Parliament but your money can't buy a change in strategy.
The politicians are just to well remunerated these days to take a brown envelope to support a strategy that might result in their snout being excluded from the trough.
Callum Roxburgh, Jakarta, Indonesia
How about a referendum on an English parliament before Scotland gets another bite of the cherry.
Given the opportunity the English might yet be the ones to deliver Scottish independence, and in a manner most embarrassing for the Scots.
Gareth Young, Lewes, England
Let the entire United Kingdom have a referendum on Scottish independence. The overwhelming majority in England would be in favour of giving it to the Scots.
Roy Race, Bratislava,
To correct one point, Alex Salmond has stated that a simple Yes/No referendum is the SNP government's preference. However, if the unionist review of Holyrood were to propose further devolved powers, these could be put to the people in a multi option referendum alongside the status quo and independence.
Malcolm, London,
John, London - you obviously know as much about Scotland's current economic poistion as you do about the Darien venture which was 100 years ealrier than you suggest.
Mike, Glasgow, Scotland
Do the scottish realise how deeply unpopular they are in England. I would as an Englishman be happy to vote for their exit. This is not just a scottish issue its a union.
Adrian, London,
We should also vote whether we want Scotland too. Since we've paid for them ever since buying a bancrupt Scotland for £1 after the Darien Colonies fiasco in the 1790's our payments have earned the right to vote too.
John, London, UK
Scotland could claim independence from the UK, like Kosovo. There is no need to get the cabinet's agreement.
bob, aberdeen, Scotland
Can we vote in england to kick scotland out?
Even more important when do we get engliash only votes for english only matters?
Or does the 80% majority not matter in this day and age of minoritys only?
Mr W Jones, Liverpool, England
The referendum on this issue should take place across the whole of the UK. I am fairly sure Scotland would then gain independence if only because of the vote from England. The people of Scotland must be fed up of hearing what a drain they are on England, yet at the same time being denied independence.
tony wood, London, UK
So Labour's plan to beat the SNP is to rebrand themselves 'socialists', talk of 'redistribution of wealth', label the SNP 'tartan Tories' and 'Thatcherite' and prime their media mates to convince us all that the conversion is a real one, that Labour are on the way back, the tide is turning. But Wendy's conversion smacks of style over substance. Why has it taken so long to discover (I won't say recover) her socialist roots? And how will it go down with the right wing press who up until now were happy to support anyone who indulges in a bit of nat-bashing?
After brand Blair, the politics of focus-groups and marketing campaigns, can we really be sure this is not just another feel-good campaign? Labour have not been socialist for years. I.D. cards. Iraq. British pledges of allegiance. Allowing chosen worthies to debate and decide Scotland's constitutional future without putting anything they come up with to a referendum. Is this Labour's new socialism? There may still be those in the party who warm to any mention of Keir Hardy but grant the rest of us our cynicism, we're probably right. Wendy would have us believe she stands for the disposessed. And where was she for the last ten years? This is no more than one last spin for labour. Now sit back and watch it fall apart. Again.
Gregor Addison, Glasgow, Scotland