Richard Ford, Home Correspondent
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Immigration should be capped, according to a parliamentary report published today which concludes that record numbers of new immigrants have had “little or no impact” on economic well being.
Some groups, including the low-paid, young people seeking jobs and some ethnic minorities, may have suffered because of competition for work from immigrants willing to accept low wages and poor working conditions.
Today’s report, from the Lords Economic Affairs Committee, whose members include two former Conservative Chancellors of the Exchequer, seeks to undermine the Government’s claim that record levels of immigration have boosted the economy.
It also sets out to demolish a range of arguments in favour of immigration, including the one that foreigners are needed to prevent labour shortages and also to help to support an increasingly ageing population.
The report endorses the Conservative policy of capping immigration by urging ministers to set an “explicit target range” for numbers entering the country. Controversially, it also raises the prospect of cutting the number of partners and other family members allowed to settle in Britain because a relative is already here.
And it suggests that, if the predicted 190,000-a-year net migration rate continues, house prices would be 10 per cent higher in 2028 than they would have been if there was zero net immigration.
Lord Wakeham, the former Conservative Cabinet minister who chaired the Lords inquiry, said: “The argument put forward by the Government that large-scale net immigration brings significant economic benefits for the UK is unconvincing. We have found no evidence to support their position.”
The Government has said that immigrants are boosting the overall economy by £6 billion a year, but the committee said that this was a misleading measure and a better one would be the impact on income per head of the resident population. “On this measure, immigration has had a largely neutral effect on economic wellbeing, with the income of some groups of low-paid workers actually falling,” it said.
It added that the available evidence suggested immigration had had a small negative impact on the lowest-paid workers and a small positive impact on the earnings of hgher-paid workers. “Resident workers whose wages have been adversely affected by immigrations are likely to include a significant proportion of previous immigrants and workers from ethnic minority groups,” the report added.
Lord Layard, an economist and Labour member of the committee, gave warning that Britain would face significant pressure from immigration for years. “We will have a permanent pressure of people to move in our direction. Britain has an extra resource, the English language, for attracting people here. There is no doubt whatever that the pressure will remain for half a century or more,” he said.
The findings of the 82-page report were seized on by the Conservatives and Migrationwatch, the organisation that campaigns against mass immigration. David Davis, the Shadow Home Secretary, said: “This cross-party committee of distinguished peers has demolished the Government’s case on several fronts. They show unequivocally that the benefits of the current immigration policy to ordinary UK citizens are largely non-existent.”
Sir Andrew Green, chairman of Migrationwatch, said that the report was a watershed. “A heavyweight committee of Parliament has torn to shreds the Government’s economic case for the massive levels of immigration which they have actively encouraged.
“Having lost their smokescreen of dodgy economic arguments, they now have no alternative but to implement a sharp reduction in numbers. The public will accept nothing less.”
But Neil Carberry, head of employment at the CBI, said: “In the global economy, businesses need a flexible immigration system that allows them to source the skills they need when appropriate UK-born staff cannot be found.”
He said that businesses were daily filling jobs which, without migration, would have been left empty.
Liam Byrne, the Immigration Minister, welcomed the report and insisted it proved that the Government was right to ask the independent Migration Advisory Committee to tell ministers which workers the new Australian-style points system should keep out or let in. He added: “What’s more, our plan for earned citizenship will mean that only those who can speak English, pay taxes and obey Parliament’s law will be able to earn the right to stay.”
The Lords committee comprised five Labour and five Conservative peers, including Lord Lamont of Lerwick and Lord Lawson of Blaby, both former Tory Chancellors, two Liberal Democrats and four crossbenchers.
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Every country including Britain has the right to decide how many immigrants they wish to accept and to be able to stipulate tough qualifications for entry. One hopes however that once an immigrant has satisfied the requirements he/she will then be treated on the basis of equality in all matters especially employment, housing, and access by relatives living abroad. Tragically this has not been the experience of most of the immigrants I knew while I lived in England (1964 to 2005). A friend of mine who came to London at about the same time as I got so desperate that he changed his name in order to get job interviews only to be turned down once he arrived at the premises!! The immigrants for their part have turned this disadvantage on its head by wholly changing the character of certain places eg.Southall WHICH I FOUND VERY SHORTSIGHTED. While not wishing to be disrespectful towards the peers I wonder if this is not doublespeak for racism an English pre-occupation-recessionscapegoating?
LAKSHMAN PARDHANANI, GOA, India
Japan manages very well without immigration.
Carol, London, UK
The way the English are taiking you would think theirs was the only country that had an immigration problem.I suggest they go to Germany Spain and my own little country over in Ireland who have for the size of it had the biggest influx of immigrants in Europe now making up 10% of our population in the space of 10 years. I remember not so long ago when the only person that looked diffrent was the local Italian chippy worker now we have people seeking asylum from Africa Asia South America and the funny thig is we have no flights directly to or from Africa and I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT ONE WAS SUPPOSE TO ASK FOR ASYLUM IN THE FIRST COUNTRY OF ARRIVAL. IN OTHER WORD 95% are CHEATS
Michael Campbell , londonderry, n ireland
While I have no read the actual report, I want to support the conclusions arrived at by the committee. Its is obvious living in London from 2002 to 2005 that ordinary English citizens are suffering low standards of living, low wages and long and honorous working hours. Why is it that the Jamaicans have to learn and speak English, Learn English History, Repect English customs and accepts the rules and regulations of English society, yet they are not wanted, can't find jobs, are discriminated against and still obey the English Laws of England. Other races and groups can fiy in, get the dole immediately, get housing, don't have to learn or speak english, have no respect for english tradition yet because they have money they get the spice of english life. Is this correct. Is this what Jamaicans worked for as nannies and maids during the 2nd world war to be discarded and disrespected by the english in todays society. If this is what english racism is about their will not be a second time
Michael Wilson, Conley, Georgia
Here in the States, we of course get a non-stop diet of the same sort of lies about The Joys of Diversity from the leftist-controlled media and from bought politicians of the two-party sham. They all support the same policies for different reasons: The pinkos want open borders because they know the invaders will vote mostly for them and their social agenda; the "right-wingers" want open borders because their big business paymasters demand it, and because they're short-sighted cowards. A crystal-clear example: Try to delineate any genuine differences in the immigration policies of the hacks currently running for president. The bottom line is that all nations with a majority European stock are facing the same mortal danger. The will of the people is being contemptuously ignored, and if that doesn't stop, things will eventually have to get very ugly indeed.
James, Crimora, Virginia, USA
Nothing can justify giving up Britain to other peoples. The Left's vote importing, and the media owners' frantic agenda, must be stopped. This report is yet another sign of the overwhelming negative effects mass immigration has on Europe. If the peoples of Europe had been allowed to decide, there would be no mass immigration. The establishment ran us over. They are, in effect, waging demographic war on us. Good to see that there are voices who oppose them, and these voices are getting more numerous.
Enber, Malmo, Sweden
Immigration there is no doubt at all that imiigrant numbers must be capped and applicants filtered to ensure that they are not going to become burden on the State that they will definately add value which does not include taking jobs which could be filled by others. The issue of economic virtue is clouded by the failure of any commentators so far to adopt a formal balance sheet approach. viz., way notional economic controbution against costs on public services - schools, health, justice, crminality and welfare hand outs, such would I am sure present a very different perspective. Also the Goverenments comments are largely irrelevent they are percieved as morally bankrupt and well out of touch with reality and public opinion . They will,of course, say there is no
need to cap immigration that all is well and in fcat beneficial ,how else could they cover their gross error of
judgement in this matter.
Let us ee a proper FAIR and indepnedant balance sheet approcah to the issue.
p.race, pulborough, west sussex
Micky, Scotland. I have always said the same thing. Immigrant workers need to down their tools for 1 day and the entire country will see the impact of immigration. Offices won't be cleaned, no public transport, no nurses and other auxillary staff in the hospital, no nannies to take cae of spoilt brats. And the list goes on. It's amazing how the British are against immigrants coming here for a better life, yet every year hundreds of British citizens migrate.
The problem here is not genuine migrants who work hard and pay taxes, but the illegals. The government needs to do more to get those people out. No country can survive without migrants. The USA is the perfect example. Politicians are just using immigration for their political agenda. But the Conservatives are not stupid. They know Britian cannot survive without migrants.
Kema, London,
Britain is a very colourful country. Literally. Everything depends on the colour of your skin or passport. Anyone sane disagrees?
stuart knight, cambridge, UK
"For the past 60 years governments of all persuasions have been telling us immigration was essential, "
The report is on the last 10. If you think ALL immigration has been bad I suggest you boycott NHS hospitals or London Transport.
raymond, Norf, UK
The quickest way to reduce immigration and weed out undesirables is to bring back compulsory military servce.
Matt, Napoli, Italy
Why does the government only talk of immigration as a matter of economics? Whether mass immigration is of (short-term) economic benefit or not is far less important than the long-term consequences. (The following disregards the growing destabilizing effects of 'multiculturalism').
Britain is very densely populated (especially England). With coming shortages of food, energy & raw materials we will find that our existing population is likely to be unsustainable, never mind any further increase.
All countries will soon have to aim at a stable, sustainable population. Britain already requires an area 2-3 times its area to provide all the resources we need. This cannot continue as India, China, etc, aim to emulate our standard of living. Then
our vulnerability & unsustainability will become painfully, perhaps brutally, apparent.
Dave, Wrexham,
Maybe a deep recession in the UK will encourage many immigrants to seek a better life elsewhere.
Maybe I will return to my country when the labour party is voted out of power - but how long will it take to rebuild a semblance of economic prosperity.
Richard, Bucharest,
Now I can see Labour's vision for Britain in the late 21st century - no trees; no fields; no quiet lanes. Just one long unending vista of cheap houses, shopping malls and motorways. The world's biggest sink estate.
Mark, Berkhamsted,
How about we slash benefits (to lets say half after 6 months of unemployment) and scrounging immigrants will leave and homegrown scroungers might start working to contribute to the economy?
raymond, the norf, uk
Vindication. Will be see an apology from the self-rightoeus, pious left wing of this country? The BBC, the smarmy left wing comedians, The Independant, The Guardian and their readerships? They have clouded the water for so long on this issue, calling anyone that dare question immigration as racist.
Their ignorance and moral piety has made a small country even more over crowded, caused a housing shortage, put a strain on our welfare and NHS and undermined British values and a pride in this country through the threat of being seen as racist if you are proud of your nationality.
This report is too little to late. This Government is famous for its knee jerk politics. However, I fear they will continue to bury their head in the sand on this issue lest they upset a small, very militant, very vocal, extreme intellectual left wing in this country and an over whelmingly left wing media.
James, Sherborne, Dorset
Take it from an immigrant - there are too many immigrants in the UK. It's absurd when the immigrants seem to have more rights than the indigenous citizenry. These immigrants arrive and expect their newly adopted country to provide them with the "home" comforts of the country they just left.
All the more ridiculous when the British government accommodates their demands for "fear" of being labelled racist.
If immigrants don't like the British way of life, they shouldn't move to the UK. If they want things "just like home" then they should stay "at home".
Start reducing immigration and begin with ensuring that they speak English proficiently, have jobs when they come or at least skills that are in demand in the UK. And make sure they don't have criminal pasts!
There are so many places in the world to emigrate to. And there are those who deliberately pick the UK because they know the Government has lousy immigration policies for them to exploit.
Lisa, London,
Uma Shankar, UK,
The Austaralians do only visit. Why would they want to live here illegally? (Australian illegal immigrant - there might be one, but I doubt it.) Unfortunately a large proportion of the Indian visitors do want to stay and many do illegally. That's why the slant in policy. Even our useless Home Office recognise that fact. Yes it is unfair for family visitors who obey the rules and leave on time.
David Thijm, Stourbridge, UK
This matter is serious enough to justify a Referendum, as promised by the original'Common Market' Referendum terms.
We were promised a referendum on ALL serious issues, if we took part in the original 'Common Market' scam.
What we have seen is not a Common Market, but a common Government, without the consent of the Electorate, and the current immigration policies are just the importation of 'Cheap Labour' which adequately describes 'New Labour'.
Clive Burghard, LANCING, ENGLAND
Economy, economy, economy is all we have heard since I was born, and that was a long time ago. Now that we have established that current policies have not helped can we ditch economic models and get on with a quality of life model? There are countries in Europe that do have a good quality of life (No I'm not going to tell you which ones, that would be unfair to the citizens of those countries) and their economic models come second to their desire for a good quality of life.
Time for a total rethink, Margaret Thatcher employed a system dynamics expert to look at the economy and determine the key drivers. Lets apply it to QoL and see what the key drivers are for that, like road safety, congestion, crime, overcrowding, inequality, care for the aged etc.
John, Newbury, Berks
I have tried to be understanding and accepting of the fact that we ARE a multicultural society now in Britain. But, everyone is so scared of saying 'enough is enough' because there are immediately cries of 'racist'. I visited Guernsey last week. I was told that it was like Britain in the 50's. Sure, there was a tranquility and beauty, but, I was ONLY served by 'new europeans' in the bars and restaurants. Initially, I just noticed that they weren't British. As the week went on, it became so obvious that the workers (18-25) were simply not indigenous. So what? Actually, the locals didn't work there; they make up the unemployment figures. The same applies to the mainland UK. The issue here is that most of the foreign workers in the UK are TRANSITORY in nature, but they have the work. Free health care is a big draw but they do not intend to stay; they take the money and send it 'home'. This is not contributing to our economy; British society is being sold to the lowest bidder.
David L, Brussels,
Let me tell you about immigration from an immigrant's point of view. I came here as a Highly Skilled Migrant and am working really hard to earn my living, to buy a house and to have decent life as back home I needed connections to get an average job despite the high skills I possess. And now, they are talking about immigrants being neutral but still putting restraints on NHS, schooling, housing etc etc. I pay one third of my high salary for those things, and that is a lot! I even pay for native people who have children at 16 an do not work for generations - but get benefits/housing etc from the money I pay and work hard for! Is it fair to hate immigrants and to say they are harmful when in actual fact all immigrants I know are very hard-working and not only do they bring skills that this country lacks, but they also bring a new positive attitude about work that also, unfortunately, the UK cannot boast about.
Lu, B'ham, West Midlands
Which country is C Robb speaking about (with such ignorance of the history of the British Isles)? Certainly not England. Uma Shankar's statistics (quoted yesterday also in relation to immigration) just show that there are 3 kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics (Benjamin Disraeli). I agree with David, Hull that the removal of all of those who are illegally in the UK is of prime importance - regardless of their country of origin. Micky, Edinburgh: please visit London soon and tell me whether the London of today is acceptable, then visit the care home where my relative lives and where he does not have one single member of staff that he can understand because not one of them has an understandable command of the English language, then travel by bus or tube and tell me which country of the world he feels he is living in? I feel a foreigner, an outsider in London now and I was born there. We are waking up as a nation, at last, and maybe someone will listen to us at last.
James Doll, London,
There is little we can do.
If the chill economic winds do blow across Europe immigration will increase and we will have no say in the millions from the poorer regions chancing their arm here.
Get used to the fact that politicians have decided for us that "we" is now all citizens of Europe and as for the "they ",we have pretty well given up control of our boarders.There is no competence available to us at the moment that could be employed to either remedy or defuse the situation.
Be aware that this and previous Governments had no choice but to welcome immigration as thay are unable to prevent it. European law and the disconection through standard incompetent management of any policy they would wish to put in place leaves speaking for it the default position.
robert everitt, wolverhampton,
How about doing a report on the effects to the countries fo origin? Some questions:
What happens when you asset strip developing countries of skilled workers?
What happens to the pressure to have politicians who behave honestly? Where is the pressure to make it easier to start businesses and create jobs?
Where will developing countries get the return on investment from spending on education, when their brightest and motivated go abroad?
Does the West contribute to 'failed states' by taking poorer countries motivated people?
Are we taking skilled people from poor countries, and then giving them aid?
What happens to CO2 emissions when people move from a low carbon footprint country to a high carbon footprint country?
Who is looking after the elderly in poor countries, when the young go abroad?
Why is it when skilled people leave the UK, it is a brain drain, yet when skilled people leave poor countries, it makes them better off?!
Another Lord's report?
Hugo van Randwyck, London, UK
Am I naïve to think that politicians listen to to the concerns of their constituents ? If that really is the case then the"honorable members" could have saved the cost of compiling this report by just listening & acting upon their conclusions. If that is not the case then how can they justify the expenses incurred between Westminster & their constituencies? Everybody has known for a long time about what is happening but few have spoken out because it´s not "cool" to be labelled racist, whether it´s true or not.
Mike Burkinshaw, Vilagarcia de Arousa, Galicia/Spain
BRITAIN IS CAPSIZING
It simply cannot sustain the drain on its education system, health service, housing, council services, unemployment benefits etc.
The cost of living is rising; the general indigenous population are receiving less support & safety from their national infrastructure & paying more.
Crime is out of control, the generally well behaved population are rigorously pursued & the vagrant criminal population commits multiple crimes & is not punished.
Brown could not run a sweet shop budget let alone calculate crime levels, prison population growth & prison space. So he let's criminals go early & gives them cash??
It's time that the indigenous British population stopped believing the utter nonsense spun by the Professional Spin (Labour) party. Those proud enough to call themselves Brits should make sure that they always vote & vote out the utter incompetents that are Capsizing Britain!!
We need some form of reverse correction of Labour's actions
JM London
JM, London,
Sadly it's too late. New Labour has suceeded in establishing it's vote base by the massive ethnic dilution practiced over the past 10 years.
john, lincoln,
Boffin 1.4 08. 10.45am
Replyin to James Southampton.
I fully understand his line of thinking with regards to the damage that has been done to this country through immigration, I started business working for myself from the age of seventeen, I had five businesses and all were successful and then I retired, so i contributed quite a lot of taxes to the coffers of England, but what for, yes, to be squandered on the cockeyed ideas that this government have had, I agree that the only people that are keeping them in power, are the lazy good-for-nothings that are receiving all the hand outs which I am sorry to say includes a good majority of immigrants that were not vetted and managed to get through the barriers,gates ,and fences, that were also manned by quite a few undesirables, you can see now that the cost of living is beginning to get out of control, the national health service has gone to pot, councils are turning the country into a police state with their parking cameras, ,
stanley Stephens, Gamlingay south Cambs, England
when we had labour shortages we had the opportunity to upgrade the jobs on offer the employers who could not afford to employ people should naturally been allowed to go wall while others would have been forced to improve their conditions of employment which is the way it should be in market economy by swamping the labour market your going to keep wages low at the bottom end futher entrenching the large minority who wont work because its pointless to work just to subside .we had a one time opportunity to break this cycle.if we now go on to have reccesion the influx of people is going to prove economic disaster the underclass will increase to another level the fricton this will cause with the taxpayers will be palpable with any govenment helpless because the process would had gone to far
m . marriott, torquay, uk
The report only confirms what we all know already, that it is time to raise the drawbridge. Despite what C Robb or Micky in Scotland belive it is not practically possible for the UK to be the world's refuge centre and host limitless numbers of economic immigrants.
However, donât expect the Government or the opposition to do anything. Both political parties have systematically proven that theyâre unwilling and unable.
We will have to opt out of the EU and various out-dated treaties to be able to regain control of our borders again. We could form new international agreements and alliances with other beleagured countries like the US or Australia and impose economic sanctions or, if necessary, military action against those irresponsible countries that export their population problems to the rest world.
We live on a tiny island so the problem is always fixable and we can regain control of our borders but only if the political will to do so exists. Vote for more leg room.
Scott Evans, Folkestone, Britain
It should be STOPPED not capped and many hundreds of thousands sent back. We have a pathetic situation where Polish war history is taught in schools whilst our own is buried or scorned. The NHS has become international and the Country is a mess.
Roger, Surrey,
I'll be glad to see the back of you James from Southampton, and the more narrow-minded egomaniacs you take with you the better. We should all stop being so absurd and accept we are part of this world, island or not, and thank god we have migrants and imports or we'd have to listen to half-witted racists all day. Open the gates, enjoy the change, stop being so restricted.
Johnny B Goode, Lancaster,
Instead of accepting immigrants of various types, perhaps the govt. should be more selective as to who they let in depending on an individual's skills, educational background and more importantly income level. Personally, I see nothing wrong with an immigration policy which stipulates that only highly educated and well-off people are welcome. Every year thousands of foreign students graduate from British Universities and yet Britain never take full advantage of them. A quick change in policy is needed.
John, Hong Kong,
Immigration has driven down salaries and increased prices, such as housing. The benefit seen by the indeginous population is non-existent! The official stats are that an immigrant earns the government 28p a week! I bet even these figures were massaged. When you consider extra policing and immigration controls or those on benefits etc etc, it is probably a negative number!
Anne, Sussex, UK
Immigration is an emotive topic. What is of real importance is the number of people, indigenous or otherwise living here, coupled with their cultural background.
Independant research has put the ideal number of inhabitants of the U.K. at between 40 and 46 million. This is based upon physical measurement (water; other utlities including transport infrastructure) as well as subjective elements such as quality of life.
With immigration there is an imbalance in the birth rate (native English 1.6 - 1.8 compared to , for example those from the Indian sub-continent of 4.7 -source is IPPR).
The difference in cultural background is at the heart many of the violent clashes that are an unfortunate every day occurence.
Uncontrolled immigration, the sidelining of British culture and values, and rewarding breeding beyond the sustainable level through the benefits system, have ensured that Great Britain is in terminal decline. But maybe that was the goal of Blair strategy.
TMJ Black, Southampton,
An interesting angle to this debate would be how the British would react if other countries, that together have hundreds of thousands of British citizens (millions perhaps?) living there (and continue to accept them) decided to send them all back? (France, Spain, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, USA, Hong Kong etc.)
Rob B, London, UK
James from Southampton, so you are going to go elsewhere and become an immigrant yourself because of high levels of UK immigration. A bit rich?
Andrew, Exeter, UK
I request politician to be more direct in the future by actually naming the source and culprit nation of this problem. I migrated to this country from India as Senior Consultant in the IT industry and I have about 20-25 others in my peer who came from India as well. I don't know anyone in our peer earning less than £100,000 per annum, just wonder how this could be detrimental for this nation. I think it is time for all patriotic English to come up with someone who can match the likes of Laxmi Mittal or Arun Sarin. I agree that there must be a cap on immigration and should be filtered. There is no point of having more cab drivers from pakistan, constrruction worker from eastern europe and European language speaking call centre personnel.
Rakesh, London,
I wish someone had figured this out 40 years ago, and refused to allow failing industries to stagger on with cheap migrant labour, rather than investing in modern plant and methods.
If they had, maybe we would be less worried about parts of London going 'Bang' today.
Fraser, Whitstable, United Kingdom
Well, well, the Labour myth about immigration '...needed to fill vacancies UK citizens would not do...' has finally been exposed for the scam that it is. The only thing that uncontrolled mass immigration has done is to alienate and defranchise inner city white working class families who have found themselves relegated to the bottom of housing lists, job opportunities and acccess to services overwhelmed by immigrants. Having worked for a short time at Waterloo Station I have witnessed immigrant families arriving on the Eurostar carrying already seriously ill members of their family on stretchers. One particular family demanded an ambulance, this was called and the 2 patients taken to St Thomas's PCT where they immediately received expensive heart surgery on the NHS, no doubt causing planned operations to be cancelled and the waiting list to be extended for the NI payers of south London. And politicians wonder why the NF and BNP are seeing increased support for their parties!!
pw, Banstead, surrey
Remember, if a migrant worker comes here with his wife and two children he will have to earn 22k per year, otherwise he becomes a net benifactor or our tax and welfare system, so who really benifits?
Gareth, Swansea,
How many people have to come here before the government says "enough"?
How big does our population have to become before it is self sufficient?
In my youth the big thing for liberals used to be population controi to avoid depletion of the worlds resources, food, destruction of the environment and, latterly, slow global warming.
The UK is already one of the most densely populated countries in the world. In 20 years it is predicted to be ahead of Bangladesh!
Madness.
Geoff M, Worcester, England
To Jamie Brown (below): perhaps some arguments to support your pledge please?
CW Lewis, London,
To C Robb, Scotland.
It's a pity you don't look at your own history. Mass Scottish immigration into Northern East Ireland, during the reign of James 11, is a primary cause of the 300 years of violent conflict in that fair isle. And since the 1707 Act Of Union English parliaments have effectively financed and subsidised Scotland. But I have no doubt you will 'blether' on about Scotlands oil, which was financed and developed by English taxpayers. It's a pity the planners did not have the forsight to build the land based infrastructures within northern English counties, rather than subsidising and creating job opportunities for unemployed Scots.
pip, croydon, surrey
I don't believe it !
For the past 60 years governments of all persuasions have been telling us immigration was essential, opposition to it was racist and that we needed to create a multicultural nirvana.
Only recently, Harriet Harman was demanding we work harder to achieve this goal, otherwise it would be necessary to legalise discrimination against white males.
Surely, this must be some sort of April Fools.
But then maybe, just maybe, it is true. Evidence of an exceptionally slow political "thinking process" that took all those years to catch up with the rest of us.
jasper, chelmsford,
Immigration has been necessary to reflate the British economy because we are laisser-faire and dysfunctional and the education system (esp. the state system) does not supply the right material. Britain can work without sucking in hundreds of thousands of people from elsewhere, but only if it introduces that lost art called management into government. Currently, we can't even find an English manager for the England football team. Also, the British rebel against management - it doesn't appeal to us. Oxford rejected a school of management, even as a gift with a £50m plus contribution. Without immigrants we could never have achieved our current aflluence in a thousand years. With immigrants Labour has managed to govern for 11 years without ruining the country - that's a first.
Richard Gillespie, London, UK
At last some common sense coming out of Whitehall !!!!
Ian Payne, WALSALL,
C Robb. Please learn something about history before commenting. Thanks.
Jamie Brown, Maidstone, England.
Does it say that Immigration is largely neutral given a certain level of growth in the economy - the big however is the effect of increased population numbers during slowed growth or recession - this causes an unavoidable draw on the economy - so, neutral benefit during growth periods, negative at all other times - just as well the majority of newish migrants will vote labour, eh? or could that have been the plan all along?
Andrew J Iddon, London, UK
It has actually had a negative impact that People are not waking up to.
I am one of the most senior programme managers in the IT industry running business change programmes which affect every citizen in the UK in a positive way. Since this 'new labour government' (now with an unelected prime minister) pushed its policy of multi cuturalism, (and I can remember Blair saying it will change Britain forever) as an Englishman I have felt more and more alienated from my country (England) and Nation (Britiain).
Anyway I have decided to take my skills, which generate a large amount of money in tax revenues and efficiences in goverment and commerce; close down two businesses which I own in the UK and emmigrate to New Zealand. I have a large number of colleagues in the UK who are joining me aswell. So immigration has changed the face of Britain to the detriment of its indigeous citizens and is causing a serious loss of knowledge to Browns wonderful Knowledge Economy.
James, Southampton,
I wonder what would have been the state of the NHS, transport (rail, road and air), care for the elderly and many other industries had it not been for the immigrant workers.
I think all immigrant workers have to down their tools only for one day just to show these double faced cocooned law makers or whoever
micky, Edinburgh, Scotland
This government has caused the racial tension in this country with it's immigration and asylum polices, I am not a racist but Nu-liebour makes me feel this way
John, Lancaster, England
Looks like a plan by our Commie Government to import labour votes.
Just think folks, thanks to the pro.EU. LIB/LAB/CON. lot, the WHOLE population of Europe can come and live in Britain. Soon to be followed by Turkey.
And don't forget the rest of the world.
Get off your backside and VOTE OUT these lunatics, kick them out of office before they totally destroy our lovely country with huge housing projects for immigrants.
Is it any wonder people are turning to the British National Party as the only saviours from this madness.
Colin Brown, Newcastle, England
People have known what this report has said for years but if you speak out you are branded racist This government is in denial over the problems they have caused with immirgration and asylum They should change ther name to the lessons have been learned let's make a pledge party
John, Lancaster, England
This report only confirms what the public have believed all along! Does this not confirm our Government should start to listen to the people from now on, or will they continue to believe they know best!
R.B., Leicester,
This country was made rich on the backs of the poor , slavery even the low waged like the irish immigrants , and taking over poorer countries for their own wealth.We surely have a resposibility to fill jobs here that no one is willing to do , to lambast those that will do it cheaply rather than take benefits is deplorable.This country needs a real hardship , there hasnt been one for 3 generations , we now live to excess not need.If we removed immigration is expulsion next?Whom will fill the low paid jobs , aid teaching shortages , or doctors surgeries then ....bloody computers made in china from the broken bones of tibetans?MAke them speak english sure , then do the same with the expats in spain jumping on planes to get benefits and health services.....they are the loudest I find when it comes to complaining about immigrants..oh the irony.
C Robb, scotland,
In fact, the detailed analysis of the Lords report is more nuanced than it seems at first. The peers do not conclude that immigration has damaged the British economy. Instead, they conclude that on their preferred measure of its economic impact on the living standards of resident British citizens the effect has been "largely neutral" on economic wellbeing.
The report says in the short term immigration has created economic winners and losers. The biggest winners have been the migrants and their employers; consumers have also benefited from lower prices and taxpayers from lower costs of public services. But those who have lost out are identified as low-paid employees. The peers say more must be done to enforce minimum wage laws to tackle this.
KR Haidry, london, uk
About time! when will we see this capping come to fruition? This government has destroyed nation hood in this country. It has introduced population transfer without the consent of the people. Funny, Labour never mentioned any of this in it's manifesto!
Leah H, Shropshire, England
And how much did this comittee cost to publish what we all knew anyway
N G Wheeler, HH, Thailand
And we needed a report to tell us what the majority of the indigenous population of the UK already know but are not allowed to question!
All whilst our illustrious leaders bury their heads in the sand.
John
John, london,
This seems not to be in alignment with George J. Borjas' work in this area. See: http://www.borjas.com/
I wonder if they bothered talking to him, or do Harvard professors not count?
James Llewelyn, Tokyo,
interesting, this would seem to fly in the face of the dogma of most western industrialised countries. wait to see the report get shot down and torn to pieces then by governments around the world. most likely the UK government will hike up immigration to shore up their voting base, while vilifying the supporters of the report as racist bigots.
Derek, Sydney, AUS
Waiting for the backlash of this.
Sathiji, London,
But Neil Carberry, head of employment at the CBI, said: âIn the global economy, businesses need a flexible immigration system that allows them to source the skills they need when appropriate UK-born staff cannot be found.
Read cheap, plentiful, don't eat much and don't mind being homeless, for "appropriate".
Frank H., London.,
What it needs to be capped is the number of useless House of Lords committees that reach conclusions that go against economists all over the world! These people are shameless or their report is an April fool's joke...
F. B., London, UK
A worthwhile report that the Govt will take on board as they decide the way forward. It does fly in the face of other reports nevertheless
Rae, Glenrothes,
Why is it that the powers that be are alway a decade or more behind the WoMan in the street?
John Lee, Ellesmere Port, UK
Government is trying to cover their incredible mistakes and incompetence with immigration, with simple stories like 'relax, it is beneficial for country', hoping that citizens will take it as a bed time story and tomorrow think about some other problems.
Even banana republics try to protect their citizens with some kind of immigration control - limit and sellection.
Savo, London, UK
The 'UK Immigration Policy' must be fair and square for immigrants from the EU and Non-EU countries. Anybody who wants to come and live in the UK for more than 3 months must have a job offer, employment contract, obtain a visa to come to UK. They should also be subjected to provide accommodation proof, English language proficiency certificate, proof of funds to live in the UK without having to recourse to the UK public funds, biometric finger printing, digital photographing, detailed medical checkups including blood test and chest X-ray, criminal check clearance or passport verification check to come into the UK.
I bet all my money mate. If the above has been done, we will not have illegals, benefit claimers, rapists, robbers, drug dealers, gangsters, gun crime, people smugglers and so on in our British society.
Uma Shankar, UK,
So the report "proved the government was right"... according to the Immigration Minister. Such transparent hypocracy. No Mr. Byrne. As you well understand, it proves New Labour has been systmatically undermining the lives of the indigenous population. Nothing to do with "the economy" and everything to do with politics and swamping the country with New Labour voters.
Callan, Liverpool, England
QUIZ: Who is the richest citizen of the Europe?
Answer: India born Steel billionaire Lakshmi Mittal.
QUIZ: Who is the richest citizen of the United Kingdom?
Answer: India born Steel billionaire Lakshmi Mittal.
Uma Shankar, UK,
If a naturalised British citizen of Indian origin would like to invite his Indian parents from India to see their grandchildren, now he needs to pay a refundable security deposit of £1,000 for each person, obtain the deposit certificate from the UK Home Office and send it to them to apply for a 3-month valid visitor visa to UK. Even the 3-month visa soon will cost £240 per person. If his parents donât return to India within 3 months, he will loose £1,000 and his parents may be banned for next 10 years to come to UK. If a naturalised British citizen of Australian origin would like to invite his parents from Australia to see their grandchildren, he needs to just give them a call. His parents can catch next flight to the UK. Because, Australians are exempted from obtaining a visitor visa for a 6 months stay in the UK. After 6 months, they can pop out to France and come back into UK for another 6 months. If this is not total racial discrimination of Asians in the name of âImmigration Rulesâ, can somebody explain me better of what it is??
Uma Shankar, UK,
'The report endorses the Conservative policy of capping immigration'
No British government can stop immigrants coming from EU member states to live and work in the UK.
For the Conservatives to pretend otherwise is frankly insulting.
Bob, Liverpool, UK
So the "nasty racist" Enoch Powell and the British people whose protests about immigration have been ignored by MPs over the years were right then? That really makes my day.
A R Llewelyn, Newport, UK
"But Neil Carberry, head of employment at the CBI, said: âIn the global economy, businesses need a flexible immigration system that allows them to source the skills they need when appropriate UK-born staff cannot be found.â
He said that businesses were daily filling jobs which, without migration, would have been left empty."
Yeah...that lame argument was floated on this side of the pond too.
Govt. subsidized labor. The govt. pays for housing, health, education, food and the companies can hire people cheaply.
Labor costs are low as there is a new wave every year, wages for working Britons are suppressed, and everyone is happy
R. Burns, Tampa, Fla
It should not be just cut it should be stopped !
John, Wakefield, Yorkshire /GB
One is reminded of David Blunkett (the then Home Secretary) appearing on TV in 2003 stating that "there is 'no obvious limit' to the number of immigrants who could settle in the UK". He went on to say that "Britain had always been 'crowded', and the current net inflow of 172,000 a year was sustainable". [Taken from a BBC archive.]
Dwight Vandryver, Scholar Green, Cheshire, UK
Following this report demolishing the economic argument , the government should now get down to the business of removing those who are illegally in the UK and significant resources should be put into these efforts . With resources being stretched to breaking point in many parts of the UK, this is the only way to avoid future problems.
Unfortunately Brown will as usual do nothing. The election cannot come soon enough.
David, Hull,
This report is ten years too late the damage is already done and the friction between immigrants and the indigenous population will not be resolved by limiting future immigrants. When the expected recession and depression finally arrives and there are millions of unemployed immigrants on the streets what then. I fear this government has lit a fuse that can only result in a very large bang and they will be held to account.
Cromwell, Leeds, England