Mark Henderson, Francis Elliott, Ruth Gledhill and Sam Coates
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to The Sunday Times

Single women and lesbian couples won landmark parental rights last night as MPs voted to remove the requirement that fertility clinics consider a child’s need for a father.
The Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill will replace the rule with a “need for supportive parenting” after opponents were defeated in two votes by unexpectedly wide margins.
The Government had been prepared for defeat but won the free votes by majorities of 75 and 68. The decisions mean that the legislation will grant the most significant extension to homosexual family rights since gay adoption was sanctioned.
It will stop fertility clinics turning away lesbians and single women because their children will not have a father or male role model. While the current law does not block such therapy, it is sometimes used to justify refusals.
In another landmark decision last night, MPs rejected moves to prevent women having abortions up to 24 weeks into pregnancy. In the first vote on the issue in 18 years, an attempt to reduce the limit to 22 weeks was rejected by 71 votes. An attempt to reduce the limit to 20 weeks was defeated by a majority of 142.
The defeat came despite a high-profile cross-party campaign and the decision by David Cameron, the Conservative leader, to back a reduction in the limit to 20 weeks. The Prime Minister voted to retain the existing limit.
The Government has now won all four of the measures on which it agreed to grant Labour MPs a free vote. Moves to allow the creation of hybrid embryos for medical research, and “saviour siblings” screened as suitable tissue donors for sick children, were passed by large majorities on Monday.
MPs who backed the fatherhood amendments said the traditional family would be undermined. Iain Duncan Smith, who proposed enshrining the importance of a father and mother, said that the new law would amount to telling couples that “fathers are not important, or are less important than mothers”.
The former Tory leader said there was overwhelming evidence that children without fathers were more likely to have problems at school and with drink and drugs. He also questioned whether the existing law led to genuine discrimination, as many IVF clinics already treated lesbians and single women.
His criticisms were backed by Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’ Connor, the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Westminster, in an interview with The Times. “I think it strange that the Government should want to take away not just the need for a father but the right for a father,” he said.
The law will now be brought into line with the Human Rights Act. The Bill will also allow both partners to be recognised as parents when lesbian couples conceive with donated sperm, or gay men use surrogacy. At present, only the natural mother or father is automatically considered to be a parent when gay couples have fertility treatment.
A Times/Populus poll last month found that 40 per cent of people were against the Government’s proposals and 32 per cent in favour. It also revealed a generational divide: while over-55s were strongly opposed, 18 to 34-year-olds were strongly in favour of reform.
Most of these comments are written by idiots. I am a single, amazing, brilliant, though struggling mother with a gorgeous 5 year old daughter. The "father" deserted us for at least 3 other women, and constant alcohol I threw him out, and divorced him, and he never calls to talk to her! SHe's fine!
Maggie, NYC, USA
Some men have failled as fathers. Yet it is no enough reason to conclude that children don't need fathering. The day you allow the institution of Marriage that mothers and fathers raise children as God intended, it's an act of terrorism against humanity and the life of peace that we all desire.
Rev. Robert Ntefon, Port Harcourt, Nigeria
I have a 9 yr old who hasnt had his father around for the last 3yrs and is the most polite and well behaved, has respected for others. I think I have done a good job bringing him up by myself. I get no support from his father and have not stopped him seeing his child, who does need a man around ?
susan , boston lincs, uk
Please, boys grow up with their fathers now and still act appallingly - rape women, kill; prisons are littered with outrageous behaviour. It takes a village to raise a child. Look at your own self, and see how well you are behaving before you all become so self-righteous.
Drew, Florida, USA
And we wonder why society is breaking down, why young men who have no father figure knife each other. Get a grip NuLabor, your time is up.
Lucas Tatek, Herts., uk
Incredible. A male child growing up without a fatherly influence, will not get to know the behaviour of a mature man , like a father . Male childs will be weak if they get raised up by women only and when these humans grow up to their their twenties, they ll act more like a mother than a father.
Daniel, Vienna,
I'm speechless. Whoever came up with this is sick.
Jamie, Truro,
if it's now legal for children to be 'designed' not to have fathers, what's stopping the legalisation of 'designing' children to have four arms or two brains etc. Nature shouldn't be interfered with in this way.
Marco, Kraków, Poland
Brought up by my father, who was widowed when I was 9 and my brother 5, I can attest that fathers are definitely needed. As are mothers - I went through hell growing up in ways my father couldn't understand.
Loving, 2 parent families should be the model, with help and support given to those without.
Nicola, Blackpool, UK
ummm, am i missing something here, where are they getting the sperm from? oh yeah thats right the male, doesnt having sperm(in whatever format it will be in) disgust these women? The shame is that men are still silly enough to donate sperm to these programs! loosen the adoption laws and do some good
alan, london,
The worrying issue about reading this article and following comments; Is the ignorance that somehow lesbian's are infalliable from committing acts of abuse... sexual, mental or physical on children.
A. Rocks, London,
what will womens reaction be when a machine is developed that will remove the need for a woman and a man could have a child without a mother. will they claim it is not natural
Eggs like sperm would just become a thing you can buy off a shelf. A new line for ebay or amazon perhaps
knight, aberdeen, UK
So so so many children are born into single parent families- this is unavoidable and sad.
Children born into lesbian families are by definition wanted and planned.
These two facts give them so many advantages. I'd be proud to give a child of mine for adoption to a lesbian family.
Kay, London,
We really need ectogenesis technology. These people are getting out of hand.
TK, Savannah, GA
Several mothers I know cheat on their husbands, one mother I know took away her husband's son because he "cheated" on him during their divorce.
What's so great about mothers?
Well, you do want to play the equality game.
Howard, Manchester,
Is it just me or is no comparable right here for gay men?
Surely in our overly PC society these new laws should be seen as highly discriminatory against them?
As far as I'm concerned there's a reason it takes a man AND a women to be able to produce a child in the first place.
J Butler, Southampton, UK
Ok so there's a single/ gay woman's rights to start a family without a father, but what about the child's rights. Doesn't the child have the right to a father?
A. Miles, London, London
M. R., Stockport"My son's father is a useless wimp...."&more whingeing.
That would really prove that you have bad judgement and live among others with poor self-control/judgement/etc.
There are plenty of fathers who are excellent, like mine. My mother, however, was a disaster.
Greg Lorriman, Letherhead, UK
this is just so selfish,a child is nota designer bag or pair of shoes which a woman can just go and purchase.it may be ok for homosexuals couples to have children but i wouldn't let single women do it.a child needs to be born from love.not from someone's egoistic desire
stefania sardo, rome, italy,
My son's father is a useless wimp, the father of one of my son's friends beats up his kids and deals drugs, several fathers I know cheat on their wives, one father I know took away his wife's son because she "cheated" on him during their divorce.
What's so great about fathers?
M. R., Stockport,
David:"main type of family seen thru the history of civilisation is the polygamy-type of the powerful man bearing many children through multiple wives"
Thre aren't that many powerful men. Other sources say that since 30,000 years ago the main 'type' has been the nuclear family.
Greg Lorriman, Letherhead, UK
bringing up a child is not easy. it takes a lot of love and sacrifice on the part of a parent.having two parents enables a child to grow in a lovingand supportive environment. parents also need to support each other to show consistency. basic fact, you can't make a child without a mother AND father.
annie, glasgow,
Children lose rights to fathers.
Wayne, stockport, UK
The title reads 'Women win right to children without fathers'. So what's new!? I grew up (from the age of around 6) without a father - he had his new family to concentrate on who obviously had more to offer than me and my brothers. And my son has grown up without his father. That's life!
kim, London,
The UK(Gov't)has finally lost the plot with its 10yrs of Feminist agenda. Lesbian and Single mothers already know they are on a winner with state benefit(Tax payers) to have a child, in place of hard working fathers to support their families. UK society will pay a heavy price for this madness soon.
Tony, Singapore, Singapore
I assume that none of the self-centred people involved in this grew up without a father, or know what it's like.
I did, and at the age of 36 it still cuts me up.
There is so much talk about people's RIGHT to have children.
Where is the talk about the CHILD'S rights?
It's GREED not RIGHTS talking.
Matt, London, England
this is abhorrent. a boy needs a father because there are certain things growing up that he will go through that a woman simply cannot understand. plus a girl needs a father so that from an early age she recognises that relationships with mrn are not purely sexual.
V.P., london,
whilst i see that lesbians should not be denied [ nor should single women] the right to have children there are plenty out there to adopt. this is a practice [adoption] is not done enough and the world is overrun with people we should look after those on earth not be overly concerned with biology.
V.P., london,
Daniel fm Aus. Actually the main type of family seen thru the history of civilisation is the polygamy-type of the powerful man bearing many children through multiple wives... much more 'natural' if you ask me...
Dave, London, UK
It is not fair to deny a child the right to know who their biological parents are.
For the rest of the childs life, if there's any resemblance they will wonder could this be my dad,my half sister/brother etc..
Or worse, end up trying to have kids with their father/half-sibling/cousin.
Thelma, Nice, France
Alternative title: Children Lose the Right to a Father
Having a father is now simply a bonus children can have if their mothers opts for it...
Steve, Edinburgh, Scotland
So what? Single parents are the rule in the UK.
Daniela, Hampshire, uk
Are single women wanting children without fathers really seeking the responsibility of nurturing a new life, or simply seeking a friend who cant run away? Nature has very shrewdly required that a person be able to form a viable relationship with at least one other human being before breeding.
Andrew, JHB,
"need for supportive parenting"
So, a robot then? Chickens are quite good too.
Greg Lorriman, Letherhead, UK
mother and father= civilisation, has been for over 10,000 years- always will be. Anything else is just dysfunction. Women should not be having children without fathers. Stats have shown that fatherless children are so much more likely to be criminals. Children need mothers and fathers!
Daniel, Melbourne, Australia
So I guess this means that also men get the right to children without a mother?
Ian, Littlehampton, West-Sussex
i think that as a result of this law those who donate should also have a greater say in who is eligable to benefit from their donation i.e. they can specifiy if a lesbian couple who simply want a child can benefit or if they want it reserved solely for those who have been trying without success etc
Rich, Edinburgh, UK
ii) We live in a diverse world in which everyone has the right to parenthood, single handedly or in a loving partnership of our choice, it is then our obligation to provide for and educate our children and show them the way to being part of a healthy and intelligent civilization.
sc, barcelona,
iii) Evolution is ours. Those who do not want to evolve, who continue to believe in outdated values, those who cannot see beyond the ends of their own noses, should now become extinct and give civilization chance.
sc, barcelona,
i) Why continue the struggle to raise children in a world of narrow minded bigots.
After reading these comments I am lead to believe that yes, society will be the downfall to all our efforts.
sc, barc,
The solution to stop all this nonsense is for all men of UK to convert to ISLAM.
John, London, UK
Why can't these people just buy a puppy instead. Every child has a right to be brought up knowing who they are, with a well- rounded masculine and feminine view of the world. The government should de-nationalize children. Once called a broken home, now it's positively encouraged.
T Martin, Bromley, England
Does this mean, and I would think it does, that men will no longer be obligated to pay support?
Joyce, Victorville, United States of America
Good old Nulab - Socialism gone crazy - break up the family - just the Queen BEE or Queen ANT producing workers.
M. Cawdery, Portadown, Co. UK, EU
If the posts here are representative, then it would suggest only a very small proportion of the population will exercise these new rights.
I find this news distasteful, not only as a man but as someone who had the privilege of being brought up by two loving, heterosexual, married parents.
nmarks, Singapore,
I think now the whole world can understand why the nuclear family which brought stability to all economies is deteriorating when this sort of rubbish is allowed, are these people really sane.
william thomson, lincoln, u k
I do not disagree that gay and lesbian couples should have the right to have children but I do feel that children do need both a suitable male and a suitable female role model. The problem is with society in general and not with whether a child has a mother and a father.
BJ, Minehead, UK
I'm not bothered about gay or single people having children - a child needs a loving, secure home before anything else. Bbut I disagree that anyone, gay or straight, has the 'right' to a child - having children is a privilege, whatever your sexuality, and should be treated as such.
Rose , Salwa , Kuwait
Ideally, a child should be born by choice into a loving two parent home, where they will be raised with influence from both a male and female parent.
BUT, that doesn't mean that a single parent, or two gay parents would love a child any less, it just means the circle of influence is less rounded.
Kathy , Phoenix, AZ, USA
What strikes me is how narrow our vision, how limited our insight into others. Is this challenge to what we call natural worse than all of the other toying we have done with nature? Two parent families can and do raise seriously messed up kids. As humans we continue to rework what God/Nature gave us
pkquest, Sebastopol CA, USA
This is beyond sad.
As far as feminism....
perhaps they should put their efforts into curbing sex trafficking and the main-streaming of pornography.
It's a sad day when the leaders of this country forget about protecting the very nucleus of our society.
Lord have mercy!
Elle, Blaine, MN, USA
Goobye Mum and Dad.
Rodney Barker, Gainsborough, England UK
How much more insanity will the Western world have to endure before liberalism collapses under its own stupidity? Wow, what a mess the West has become.
mroberts, Irvine, USA
Judging from all the comments I read, 98% were not in favor of this decision. I am surprised, the media and government here in the US consistently make regular people like myself feel like outcasts and homophobes if we don't embrace all things homesexual. Doesn't ANYONE want to adopt older kids??
Sue, ME, USA
I can't stand what this world is comming to. I've never been married and never will be. I have no kids but I did help to raise my nephews when my sister was incarcerated for drug crimes.
JACK, KINGMAN, USA
What does IVF have to do with it? If there is a "need for a father" - or not - then this should apply to all families. Why should there be one rule for people who procreate through sex, and very different rules on family life for those who need IVF? It is discriminatory against the infertile.
Tina, South Wales, UK
It takes a man to raise a man. If you want a selfish, immature, woman-manipulating, abusive scum bag, let him grow up without a father. A father helps squelch the urge to get their way through force and voilence and teaches them to respect women. Good luck without us.
Dan D, Corona, USA
My God! What is wrong with Great Britain? When will the people of your country stand up and say enough is enough!
If you do not stop the rot now then you might as well prepare yourselves for a life of absolute purgatory.
Good bye (Not So Great) Britain.
Max, Houston, Texas, USA
I'm only 20 and I think this new legislation of DELIBERATELY denying a child his/her birth right to a mother and father is an abomination and extremely selfish. Its like saying that its possible for someone to live with only one kidney. Just because its possible, that doesn't make it a good idea!!
Jibreel, London, UK
I've been a single parent for 15 years - not through choice. My kids needed a dad all this time and have suffered from not having one. Our family lacks balance. Figure it out.
Lynne, melbourne, australia
70% of black kids in the US are born to single mothers... the results: high crime rates... high violent death rates and high prison internment rates.
Liberals blame racism but ignore the simple fact that even a half-century ago black families were strong and stable.
God save our children !
Petras Vilson, Ottawa, Canada
Will these children, when they grow up to be dysfunctional adults, be able to sue both their 'mothers'? for making them that way by depriving them of the chance of having a father?
Paul Francis, Brisbane, Australia
The bottom line is this: every individual must be compelled to bear the full and total weight of his/her reproductive capacity (excepting theft or force/coersion). This would include full material, emotional, and parental duties. The state should never erect systems to violate this basic concept.
Mike, Manchester, UK
Men really aren't needed for raising children. This is just the start of a future of women one day running the world and why not? We are much better at it then men.
Catherine, Austin, Texas, USA
I live in Chapel Hill, NC and recently did some work for a lesbian couple who had a little girl by artificial insemination. The little girl got histerical and started crying whenever a man was in the house. The maid said that she has been raised that way. No doubt she will be well adjusted.
Michael, Chapel Hill, USA
This is surreal.
We need more poets.
Donald Cameron, Dundas, Ontario/Canada
It is obvious that the gender wars are on in England today-that's sad.
Men should not be treated like disposable commodities. But then, neither should women. I think most women would love a father for their baby, a happy marriage-maybe the men around these women don't offer or provide it.
E Foster, Rockford USA,
Hopefully the murder rates will go up once the kids grows up and finds out about his parents..I have nothing against homosexuals but the child has been given no right to choose a normal life from day one!!
Des, birmingham, uk
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Mattias, Huddinge, Sweden
".If you can find me a man who wants children with me, please send him my way..." (Alexa UK)
There are thousands of men who would, between the ages of 18-30 across the UK. They might be nerdy, weak, poor, or unpopular though hence why you didn't notice them already.
Edwin Jones, Lingfield, UK
What are all these Americans doing here passing judgment on OUR country?
Sort your own country out and all the damage it's doing across the world before you come here whining about ours.
Thalia, London, UK
So, will a single man be eligible to adopt a child if he so wishes? Sounds like that must be the case or this could be regarded as a blatant example of sexism.
Karla H, Washington, DC, USA
To Ms. S. Jones:
If you don't think society has been ruined by fatherless families, just take a look at the herd of fatherless teenage boys who populate the gangs here in the U.S. This isn't about love it's about rearing responsible children and it is tough work for at least 18 years.
John Navratil, Houston, USA
Just what we need, more breakdown in society!
mark, Leeds,
Just another nail in the UK's coffin
george, aylesbury,
Just another nail in the UK's coffin
george, aylesbury,
What ever became of the dignity of man!
Tris, Stockton-on-tees, England
This is the same gov't that says that the reason many ethnic (mainly black African) children do poorly in school, is because of the lack of Father figures and the breakdown of families. Now we have, politicians giving women the right to bring up children who will have poor school results??
WHAT?!
Pete, Stockton on Tees,
Im a 39 year old single, attractive slim educated female. If you can find me a man who wants children with me, please send him my way (and to my 10 single girlfriends too!). Otherwise, please don't pass judgment. We feel depressed enough as it is that our lives have come to this.
Alexa, London, UK
Silly Brits. Will the children and the single parents be elegible for public assistance? Sounds like a perfect opening to be on the dole!
Aborting some to save social safety net monies, but fostering creation of others which will likely expend more social safety net resources. Brilliant!
NY Keith, NYC, USA
I'd like to say this is unbelievable news...
...not so much these days.
Peter L, Woking,
The END TIMES prophesy progresses1
W. L. Fleming, Silver City, NM, USA
Mark, New York - stick to talking about things you understand.
Islam does not come into this whatsoever. In fact I expect many Muslims (who place a large emphasis on the family) are appalled by this bill.
This secular Government is increasingly lacking any sort of moral or spiritual guidance
Peter L, Woking, UK
And this is considered a good thing? The moral decay in the US started when they turned their backs on a strong mother and father family. Babies are just something anyone can have because they want to with no regard to what is best for the child. That is sad.
Dawn, Bear, USA
To all the men on here complaining - concentrate on your own life. If you think society will be ruined by fatherless families then buck the trend, get married, father children, support them and be a man about it. Stop blaming single women and lesbians for all society's ills.
S. Jones, Manchester,
Hopefully the human-dog-mouse hybrids that takeover will value the dignity of human life more than we do.
Rob, Washington D.C.,
The picture for this story is not of a 24 week baby. The photo looks to be a 6-8 week baby. Rather odd they chose not to show a picture of a fetal age the story is about? If you were to see what a child looks like at 20-24 weeks, it makes the subject all the more disgusting. Shame on us.
Katie, Newnan, U.S.
this is awful news.
so. we need to start campaigning for men to be allowed to have children without mothers.
Steve, Belfast,
David Masu has a great point when he writes:
"Is there really any need for a mother, either?"
By abolishing the need for a father we are making an implication that a father is not needed but a mother is needed. Who says? I.e., maybe a group of people can adopt or "parent" a child?
Avraham Makeler, Rehovot,
So men don't have the right to raise their own child on their own, but women do?This ruling is outrageous and sexist...yes I said it. Really think about what they are saying and you'll see how sexist it is.
Adoption is the answer, not this.
tony, Michigan, USA
If it is 'modern' and 'progressive' to disregard the role of fathers then I would say that on the evidence already in that we are witnessing a vast FAILED EXPERIMENT. So those selling this as a 'progressive' move have a failed argument on their hands.
Phil Lewis, Colwyn Bay, North Wales
I must be totally out of touch these days. What has happened to good old family values?
Ray, Canterbury, UK
There is so much more that is so much more worthy of legislative time.
John, Colchester,
This is a landmark day for this country. It is the day when children have finally been declared, not as the culmination of love, but officially as commodities to be procured to suit demand. God help us.
Eileen WIlliams, rhyl, wales
Sad to say I have to agree with Mr. Moore about Islam becoming the majority religion and Muslims taking over the UK. The UK, once a beacon of light to all the world has sadly gone so liberal it may never come back. Over here in the US we are also on the fringe of religious and moral collapse.
mark, new york, usa
It's rather revealing to see some poster's hangups manifest themselves through a notion "independence" from men by a desire for genetically engineered female sperm. The next step is to eliminate all vestiges of any human contact by cloning from existing sources. It's like a real life Ray Bradbury.
Roxanne, new orleans, usa
So, is it not now discriminatory against men since we cannot just have a child without a woman? What if one of US wants a child without the headache of a woman involved...how do we go about that?
Who do I sue? Ideas?
Jeff, Dallas, US
Perfect...more fatherless children...means no more violence and issues. Maybe this generation will be what we always wanted, peaceful and emotionally stable people.
Then again, it can just go back down the tubes and produce more violent children who are far worst than before. Nice social experiment!
Rudi, Kelowna, BC, Canada
"Homosexual marriage" denies the most obvious fact of life:
Had ones parents, or any direct ancestor been truly homosexual, one wouldn't be around to talk about it..
This is a proof that "homosexuality" is merely a choice of homoerotic behaviour.
Self gratification trumps reality again !
charlie, springfield, usa
Given the direction of the party on moral and ethical issues over the last few years I will change a lifetime habit of voting labour. I grew up fatherless and know how damaging it is to children. Fathers give children their sense of identity - what a sad indictment on our nation this vote is.
John MacDonald, Glasgow,
The spate of Columbine style shootings which never existed before is a direct result of the helpless rage that teenagers feel about the absence of a father or mother at home. Having the loving values of Christianity prohibited in school and replaced by violent movies has not helped either.
samantha, Los Angeles, USA
How is it that whenever social mores are rejected in favor of whatever is in vogue, that rejection is hailed as "landmark" or "revolutionary"?
I guess we'll have to learn the hard way that not all revolution is good.
albert, Dayton, USA
Steve from London - I don't have a problem with straight people having kids, but I don't really want to pay for it either! IVF should be available for everyone or no-one. And so much for everyone's "its against nature" - the benefits of the so-called nuclear family is the greatest myth of all time.
Dee, Bristol, UK
What does this mean 'have children without fathers'? This is exactly what women are doing with alacrity anyway. A lot of kids will say that they don't know or haven't met their father. That's Labour policy for you.
judy, liverpool, england
Ok, great, equality has won.
Go on then ladies, produce a baby without any help from a man in any shape or form.
Done it yet, missing something only a man can give?
Silly, selfish people!
Tony Humphreys, Prestatyn, UK
Jennifer, Dundee - does it also follow that the love of one determined, committed man can and should also be enough?
Ella, Leeds, UK
There is a totally false understanding of equality & 'rights'. No individual, male or female, has a 'right', on their own, to have a child. It takes a couple to produce a child, & only couples have a right to have a child. Who invents all these 'rights'?
Dave, Wrexham,
Well, if men would only stop donating their sperm to these horrible clinics, it couldn't happen, could it?
RW, London,
So, if the father is no longer required then I would assume that the father's money is no longer required either?
If I 'get a girl in trouble' do I still have to pay? If the child doesn't need me as an authoriative male rolemodel then it certainly doesn't need my money either.
I despair.
Neil, Newcastle Upon Tyne, UK
It really doesn't matter. Islam will become the the majority religion in the UK in not too many years from now. Muslims will eventually run the government and turn back this debauchery and bring Justice and Faith back to this country. Britain has become the Rome of old...
R. Moore, London,
Why should we be surprised? Since when did the actions of Parliament last represent the wishes of the people?
john, lincoln,
It's pretty clear that most of these comments are being submitted by people in America who must be on a anti-choice/pro-life email list, alerting them to this story! As long as the child is loved - much better than any "deadbeat" or bad parent(s). Plenty of bad fathers out there who cause damage.
K Swan, London, UK
Voters decided with their ballots long ago that Fathers are not needed. The voters put into power, and have sustained in power, a political philosophy replacing them through the Welfare State. This is only the latest predictable step in the march of incrimentalism towards destruction.
Rich, Oceanside, USA
If a society chooses to subvert nature, it should expect the negative sociological consequences.
On the importance of fathers:
http://www.swedish.org/16917.cfm
JJ Björnsson, Seattle, USA
For an already troubled country, this is the kiss of death.
If only only GB would have looked to the LBJ era of the USA when fathers of minority and low income families were discouraged from participating in the lives of the numerous children they fathered in order for the mothers to receive welfare
Ricardo Maxwell, Orange Park, FL USA
"Since science is overwhelmingly male dominated....
Carlos, London, "
Please explain why this is so. Do you mean most scientific breakthroughs are made by the hard work and dedication of men? Or the directions modern science is taking? Which is to benefit women more than men (eg, cancer research)
Kev, Manchester, UK
And thus the clinics need to close. If they are not allowed to say NO....then they shoutd just quit all together. There are children involved here. No amount of gay rights justifies using children as lab rats.
Fred X, Phoenix, USA Arizona
To me this seems to totally ignore what the child needs, imagine being a teenager coming from a lesbian home, the bullying would be unbearable, for despite living in a 'diverse' society the tension and taboos are still there, particularly among teenagers and young people.
Hannah, London, United Kingdom
How do the women decide which man's sperm to use? In a heterosexual relationship it is because they love them and find them attractive. Otherwise it is based on reading profiles of possible donors. This will be bad for the genetic health of the nation.
Dave, London,
And will modern women still ask for paternity payments from with the other side of their tongues?
Mrs Baxter, Vienna,
All children need a father. The traditional institution of marriage between one man and one women is the best option for giving a child both the masculine and feminine love and interaction that a child needs. Why settle for something sub-par? Why not promote and protect the best option?
Jim, Vidalia, USA
What we witnessed yesterday in the Chamber of the House of Commons was effectively the tyranny of feminism, with all that implies in terms of consequences for society. Who could ever have imagined it would be this destructive?
Andrew Schofield, London, UK
what grates me is the injustice of it all, heaven help a happy, functional gay couple when they try to adopt a child, it borders on the impossible. And yet women are allowed to make selfish, irresponsible decisions that can massively impact on another human beings life from birth???
richard, canberra, australia
....weep for yourselves and your children Daughters of Jerusalem..... For if they do these things in the green tree, what shall be done in the dry?
Lynn, Melbourne, USA
keith bennet
well done for having three daughters, but modern men aren't scum. i'm certainly not perfect but where does this leave you? Are you the best modern man there is? Perhaps your daughters don't mix in circles with the kind of unattainable man you desire ... for your daughters
Bert, London,
Agi,
Why do you think that men in their 20's are doing that? I think if it's true, it's because of a feminization of society. What are young men going to learn about their responsibilities if they don't have a male role model in their life? They won't learn what's necessary to from a mom only
Rocky Lane, Houston, Texas
What then are the rights of men to have children without mother's?
Thomas C, Brooklyn, United States
God weeps for England, and so do I. Popularity doesn't condone doctrines of evil. It seems the true religious zealots have won in England. So much for supporting the minority of the righteous. The majority wants blood on its hands, and so it shall receive the judgment there of. Jesus is Lord!
Joe, Norfolk, USA
Well, I'm sure that if those lesbians get separated and in need of some cash, will contact the biological father and ask for maintenance. In 20 years we will have lots of young people asking the goberment why they have no father, and will ask for compensation.
jj, bournemouth,
I've seen the effects of childern raised without a fathers in the US. Look at how it has affected the blacks. You have young black males who are raised by single mothers and they eventually end up occupying 80% of the prison space when they only make up 10% of population. If only they had a father
Mike, Philadelphia, USA
Nobody has the 'right' to have a child, but your headline shows up what is wrong with this legislation. It's all about adults and nothing to do with children and their welfare. This experiment in social engineering is driven by ideology, not by sense.
David Keen, Yeovil, England
A majority vote that says right is wrong does not make it wrong it means that the country will suffer the consequences.A womans choice is not wether to have an abortion but giveing her body to passing man.An abortion just coumpounds the evil.This country is on a slippery slope.and wrong direction.
G Blezard, London, uk
The UK is turning into a absolute freak show.
You men in the UK had better wake up and stand up for yourselves. Remember, you were given that precious fluid which makes the egg viable. You too have power. Use it.
celibacy dot info
Robert, Los Angeles, USA
It's hard to understand the meaning of the slur about Fundamentalists' effects on U.S. schools, except as an unjustified attempt to inaccurately make a point that the Fundamentalists are just as bad as the new pagans. Tiny references to weaknesses in evolutionary theory were struck down in Penn.
Richard L.A. Schaefer, Dubuque,Iowar, USA
And who will be footing the bill for this so-called therapy?
A Holmes, Auckland, NZ
I see, so the excuse of "I never knew/had a dad" will no longer be valid when explain why they turned out "deficient" in any way ? The arrogance of adults about what children is truly astounding.
Will, Santa Clara, CA, USA
Great move for feminism! But whats this hoohaa about women not being able to raise their children alone? They can if they were not stereotypically placed into the "slums" of society in a demoralising environment expecting the children to prevail! Just another excuse found!
J, leic, U.K.
Either children need fathers or they don't.
If children do not need fathers, then why should any man stick around once his partner becomes pregnant?
If a faithful husband and loving father is suddenly expected to accept that fatherhood is 'officially' a worthless and redundant role, then why should he be continue to be faithful and responsible?
If these un-necessary fathers then abandon their wives and children they are branded irresponsible and pursued by the State and the Courts.
What extraordinary logical contortion allows a government to legislate to achieve two opposite outcomes ?
Bill, North West, UK
Every child deserves a mother and father.
RB, Aberdeen,
"overwhelming evidence that children without fathers were more likely to have problems at school and with drink and drugs"
CORRELATION =/= CAUSATION
Of all research done so far on single-parent families, how many were single women who chose to have a child, and how many were accidents?
Josh, Philadelphia, USA
As lesbian couples can now have a child without a father, are we also saying that 2 gay men can have a child without involvement of the mother, i.e. no involvement after birth. If we live in this crazy neo-liberal egalitarian world I think its only fair.
Colin, Nottingham,
Richard Barr, Upper Hutt, New Zealand. You're probably right. The Fundamental Feminism is the new religion in the UK (and just as divorced from natural reality!). Look what religious Fundamentalists of the USA have done to what their schools teach in some states!
Bob Finbow, Haverhill, England
Joan from Georgia-your excitement is obviously making you irrational. Straight or gay men are still biologically necessary, because despite equality on many levels, women are as capable of making sperm as I am in making an egg. Sounds like you aren't a big fan of men all round? Can't think why...
ted, London, UK
This is great news. The more discrimination we remove from society the better.
Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor is understandably outraged by this decision. It is his superstitious belief and irrational attachment to God the Father that is contributing to unjustified discrimination.
Des, Edinburgh,
Your title should read "Children lose the right to have fathers".
Man in a Shed, Woking, England
This is a complete abomination to the Most Holy Trinity. This is what happens when people remove God from their lives and the only true faith, the traditional Catholic Church. Prepare yourselves for chastisement, it's coming.
Dominic , Lexington, USA
A woman who goes through IVF to bear a child (and I've tried IVF 9 times here in NYC) really really has the desire to be a parent as opposed to some chick who gets drunk and knocked up by some guy in the pub who may be made to feel guilty enough to marry her which doesn't make for much of a family.
Julie , New York, United States
If every child deserves a father, then the children of single mothers and divorced and widowed women should be removed from those homes and given to couples.
My father sexually abused me from the time I turned 11 until I was 17. I would have welcomed being raised in a loving lesbian home.
Diane, Detroit, USA
Thank God I don't live in the UK!
It appears it is going to become the biggest freak-zone in World.. all these messed up kids, who have a right to a father and mother, growing up without a father, then producing offspring with their genetic half-brother/sister!! This is so dangerous for the future!
Thelma, Nice, France
If women can have children without fathers, I wonder if we could have a government without MPs?
Phil, London,
I'm sure that's all well and good for the women who want to have babies without fathers. However, I don't see why they deserve a penny of any male's money to provide for that baby. If they're so self-sufficient, let's see them survive without the welfare state.
John, London,
What about children who's father's got killed in the war? They did alright without a father figure. Also I'm sure Elizabeth Fritzl would've been a lot happier if she hadn't had her father around! As long as a child is brought up in a safe, loving environment then that is more important.
elle, London,
Good decision, great for singles who can't find men to have kids with. Unless women in their 20's start dateing men in their 40's the dream of a nuclear family is nonexistent. Men in their 20's are selfish, busy reading Loaded and Nuts than creating mature and stable relationships to have kids in.
Agi, Manchester,
This is an inaccurate photo for the caption citing a 24-week fetus. The photo depicts an embryo at 12 weeks. I am 22 weeks pregnant, and the scan I saw 2 weeks ago looked nothing like this photo. Are they trying to minimize the significance of a developing baby?!
Cheryl, Princeton, USA
There is nothing to celebrate about a disastrous and shameful law! This is the most disgraceful thing I have seen in Britain. For a country that touts itself as a beacon of morality and as defender of the rights of children to say that some children should be denied fatherhood is simply disastrous
John Iteshi, London, UK
Men, you have several options:
Don't donate your sperm.
Avoid non-marital sex, or marry the woman you impregnate.
Use a condom every time you have sex.
Get a vasectomy.
Keep your DNA out of the collective gene pool & you can greatly reduce the number of single parent homes.
K.M., Odessa,
Women have won nothing here! Selfishness, idiocy and obscenity are the real winners! God save the Kingdom!!
Ezhi Opfu, London, UK
"A child", the ultimate accessory for the lesbian couple that have everything. I take it they'll both be going out to work as it's their right to do so but I also think it's right that they both get maternity leave...
ChasNDave, Cumbria, uk
DCH Nottingham, Apparently you seem to be very confused. Nazis would be the ones that would support baby factories without fathers.
"In this way, those who were single and unwed were still able to contribute to the advancement of "pure" German subjects. "
Liberals are Always calling someone a Nazi
ricardo maxwell, Orange Park, FL, USA
So when will gay men be able to purchase eggs and hire a surrogate with no parental rights to carry the child? Seems only fair and I'm sure it will happen. Both courses strike me as horrible for the children but who cares about them? This is about gay people and their wants!
Dave_D, Newport, NC, USA
grotesque
Ged, Manchester, UK
What's the big deal here? If someone wants to 'father' or refuses med-surg. treatment due to the treatment being derived from stem cell-embryonic circumstances, they STILL have the right to do so! I support any abortion/any time/reason, on the pregnant person's say-so! I support 'cybrid' research!
R.G. FRANO, A-EMT-P, Jersey City, NJ, USA
Another giant step further into the moral abyss. This government will go down in history for plunging the nation back into spiritual darkness. We have leaders who can no longer discern between good & bad. May God have mercy on the UK and it's generations yet unborn. They are inheriting a whirlwind.
David Pitan, Surrey, UK
"We have always known in science that males are redundant.
Cynthia, Juneau, Alaska"
You'll miss us when we're gone - who else will you have to blame for your unhappiness?
Daniel, South, UK
Legality is not the same as morality. The real problem is that there is no religion which has not diminished its moral authority by scandal, brutality, bigotry or downright stupidity and ordinary people have stopped listening.
David, Cheltenham, Glos
Everyone talks about Lesbians' and single Mothers' 'selfish' desire for children.
So when straight couples want children it's completely unselfish? They're doing it for the good of the world? Ha.
J Mckenzie, Edinburgh,
Every single argument posted in this forum to date fails to hold any water whatsoever. The slippery slope arguments are manifestly ridiculous and the appeals to psychological tragedy are obviously prejudiced. Translate the lot to Loving v. Wade (1968) and, hopefully, their bigotry will be clear.
Peter Hartman, Kuhlungsborn, Germany
Steve, Orlando, US,
I couldn't agree more! I have always been TOTALLY against this mass immigration from the Middle Eats. However, the more I think about it, the more I come to realise that the Muslim way of life is the only hope for Britain each time another one of these outragous rulings are made
Kev, Manchester, UK
Prison surveys show over 2/3 of males serving sentences for violent crime - had no father or father figure in their life during childhood. I predict that feminists will next use that statistic to demand the 'right' to selectively abort only males. Destroy 'family' & you WILL destroy 'country'.
Mike, Boston, MA, USA
I used to love England. It was such a great country. What a shame.
Carol, Aubrey, TX, USA
Women can choose not to have sex. They can choose contraception if they do have sex and they can choose the morning after pill should they require it. There is no reason whatsoever after so many choices that a women should have an unwanted pregnancy. Killing a baby is infanticide. Basically murder.
J Nowland, Leeds, United Kingdom
Another example of Europe's faith in "science" leading them astray. Europe is big on trumping "religious dogma" with "science", and yet all of Europe is dying. In another 50 years your culture will be completely gone, at current childbearing rates of natives vs immigrants. The "judgement of God"?
R Baugh, Chicago, USA
This change would also seem to deminish the need for the CSA or will they now be chasing sperm donors. Two mothers who gets custody if they split. and who does the child go to for a balanced opinion I think none in a single gender relationship. Poor EU uk. the poorer partner.
Chris C , Warrington,
If the right is supposed to be to IVF "without fathers", I'm going to stretch the argument out absurdly.
How the heck are they actually going to do IVF without a male donor (for the sperm)?
As David Masu stated, one can also argue against need for the mother--and "decant" children au Aldous Huxley
DCSrini, Washington DC, USA
this will open the doors for Exogenesis within a few generations
Rob, Wirral,
Children need fathers. To suggest otherwise is ignorant. I grew up without my father and I have suffered a great deal because of it despite my wonderful loving mother to whom I owe everything. Little girls and boys need their fathers.
Susan, New York, USA
Raised in a single parent family I can say from experience that a child needs a father. Mothers alone cannot take his place. It's a selfish act and implies women are more concerned with fulfilling their own needs to have a child than thinking of the childs welfare. Men : STOP NOT DONATING YOUR SPERM
SK, London,
If we had a movement of 'women haters' in our society then it would be frowned upon and no one would listen to them or give them a voice.
However we have the opposite in feminists/lesbians and it's becoming more radical.
Men are making the rules for their own demise.
Liberal Fools.
Mark, London, England
discriminate not a bad thing?
transitive verb1 a: to mark or perceive the distinguishing or peculiar features of b: distinguish, differentiate <discriminate hundreds of colors>2: to distinguish by discerning or exposing differences; especially : to distinguish from another like object
to make a distinction <discriminate among historical sources> b: to use good judgment
Ricardo Maxwell, Orange Park, FL USA
Women are only good for one thing anyway..?
Charles, Hampshire, UK
bah...forget a few thousand years of social data about a nuclear family model, and a couple hundred years of disasterous data about "non-standard" families. (single moms etc) Political correctness is more important then the childs well being.
Casaubon, Houston, TX
Mindy, Birmingham, UK,. All the unbiased (ie non-PC) evidence (as opposed to dogma) points to women's brains operating differently to men's and simply not being as effective in the creative/abstract areas. Women have to pay a price for the ability to multitask (that they are always bragging about).
Bob Finbow, Haverhill, England
This is great news. Good Parenting has nothing to do with religion, gender, sexuality etc It's about morals, integrity, intelligence, love and compassion. Ultimately, it's about the personality and whether one is fit to be a parent. It's about time equal rights have been introduced.
Diane, London, UK
More rampant stupidity from a nation in rapid decline.
To suggest that either parent is unneeded is so amazingly, stupid, it defies belief.
When people fought the gay rights agenda / gay marriage, they cited the breakdown of societial fabric as a result. They were laughed at. Well, here it is
Mike, Manchester, UK
Does no one consider the children? why should people have IVF when there are so many orphaned and abandoned children who need a decent home, are people really that selfish? although reading the arguments on here it does seem "selfishness" is the key word in this debate
Tom, Twickenham, London
If we could just get an artificial womb, we could eliminate Mommy for sure.
John, newtown, usa
Another win for the Slutocracy. And we wonder why this country's youth are lawless, feckless and directionless.
No father = no guidence and no role model.
But try telling that to the liberal media and the rest of the 'monied left'.
Mark, London, UK
Women who have a string of one night stands, get pregnant, and then couldn't pick the father out of a line up aren't giving their child a chance to know their father either (without the help fo jeremy kyle and his DNA test).
At least this way the woman wants the child in her life.
Rachel, Birmingham, UK
Any child in a single parent family should be taken into care for their own safety ...now before its to late to save them.
mike, London, England
how can you say this, i know many single parents due to the death of their partners, do you mean they are ultimatley going to be bad parents?
rebecca, keele, uk
'is there a sadder place to live than Britain?' Catherine in Cairns. I suppose you must be talking in a narrow western way, as much of the worlds population is struggling against poverty and hardship. And in your little bubble you may have missed all the social ills on your doorstep.
crispin willis, cupar, scotland
Children needa fathers and mothers i.e a good stable traditional family to give them balanced love and support. My children are considered very lucky by someof their peers to live in such a family. We are being led by a morally corrupt government with anti family, anti life and anti Christina values
Paul, Portsmouth, UK
With apologies to the many responsible & caring single mothers out there, watch the rise in juvenile crime and increase in kids playing on streets at midnight.
Indie, Glasgow,
So let me get this right. Lesbian couple, conceive using hired sperm, child is brought up without father figure (thats no big shakes so far), child then has right to find donor upon reaching 16 years of age, donor is also responsible for the child and at risk of Child support legislation. Hmm?
Nix, Wirral, England
What a sad day for British Society. I can't see how 'considering the need for a father' discriminates against same sex couples/single parents. How can we legislate that children born don't need dads/male role models. I seldom agree with Tory policy, but I hope IDS continues to fight for fathers.
Joanne, L'boro, Leics
It's proven that a loving (married) mother and father is simply the best environment for a child to grow up in.
Where this doesn't happen it's very sad, but to legislate to make this even easier, is putting needs of parents above those of children. Having kids is not a right.
Truly shameful
Jo Jackson, Manchester,
And what a surprise, some lesbians trying to create a male/female divide over the love of children. Bye bye British society....
Indie, Glasgow,
A disgrace. MPs are systematically tearing apart the fabric of our society. The long term effects of this decision will be profound and terrifying for society.
Brendan, Scotland,
I wish to see more reports on this latest bill passed in the Commons in respect of the hybrid embryos for medical research.I think this doesn't only contravene the Christianity but also the fundamental human right issues on the right to life etc..What status is to be given to the embryo?
Vitwat, Menjalara, KL, Malaysia
What about a father's right to have children without a mother? In order to avoid sex discrimination, the NHS must surely now provide surrogate mothers for any would-be father who asks for one in order that he might have children
Peter, London, UK
Separation of church and state. Crucial.
Nadia, Hamilton, Bermuda
Has every nazi in the world written in to the times? Sorry but I know at least 6 lesbians who have kids, and they all paid for their IVF treatment, and all have ensured that either the biological father and/or male role models play a part in their children's lives. You are completely over reacting
DCH, Nottingham, UK
England will remember this day with sorrow. It will take a while, but it will come. England will have become the father of everyone there.
john smith, valencia, USA
I weep for our society, I really do. It seems the values which my very essential husband and I are instilling into our children will make them an oddity in the future.
The removal of the influence of good fathers from children's lives is the single most destructive influence in society today.
Gemma, Leighton Buzzard, UK
could someone please explain what theraphy they are writting about.
"It will stop fertility clinics turning ... and single women because their children will not have a father or male role model. While the current law does not block such THERAPY, it is sometimes used to justify refusals.
peter, New York, USA
"There is overwhelming evidence that children without fathers are more likely to have problems at school and with drink and drugs."
With all our problems with 'feral, fatherless' youngsters in modern Britain, this vote seems utterly baffling and frankly obscene.
God help us.
Ben, London, UK
This government is systematically damaging our society and turning our once strong civilised culture completely upside down. They will go down in history as the chief cause of the breakdown of British society. In fact the whole of Europe is about ripe for an Asian (normal family values) take-over.
James Bradley, Southampton,
Madness. Children - and society - are better served by two caring, loving, informed and productive parents., of each sex.
karen , Macclesfield, UK
What impact will this have on contact battles between parents separating after conception? And after birth? And when the child is a teenager?
Fran, London, UK
The usual nonsensical froth. Women have been bringing up children successfully for eons on their own, and so have men. And the idea that lesbian or gay couples cannot bring up a child properly is laughable. Let's get this out of our system and go on to the real problems that face the world.
Kevin Straw, Leicester,
Of course fathers are "relevant and necessary" in raising emotionally balanced children. And if enough "men" find this ruling as sad and troubling as I do then perhaps they will stop selling their seeds.
Scott, Trenton, USA
This bill is an example of good legislation, because it is based on scientific evidence, maximising freedom of choice, and the rejection of religious and other extremist dogmas.
The MPs were right to decisively reject all the amendments, because these were aimed at undermining these principles.
Dave, Southampton, UK
Headline should be 'Children lose their right to a father!'
Children are now a commodity of rent a womb and buy a sperm.
Alan, Luton,
So many unwanted children are born into single parent families that bringing a very wanted child into a same-sex relationship is infinitely preferable.
The only possible argument against this is one based on religious grounds, and basing law on half-baked Catholic ideals is dangerous and stupid.
Kay, London,
It's time the politcians were neutered!
Dave, Manchester, UK
Goodbye Mum and Dad.........
Rodney Barker, Gainsborough, England UK
my god what a lot of over-reaction. This will apply to a tiny minority of babies. get over it.
Katherine, London,
Sarah in France ... Thank you . It seems for sensible , decent women with standards , you have to shop abroad nowadays .
Benzo, Nr Chelmsford,
This is not science messing with human nature - as you say, you need both a man and a woman for the start of the process.
However, what then happens (the raising of the child) is not a biologically determined process at all. It is social, and modern British society is progressive and inclusive.
Mindy, Birmingham, UK,
A sad day for our nation.
David, Edinburgh,
Leaving aside the repugnant suggestion that men are wholly unnecessary in raising children there does seem to me to be a very simple solution to this issue. Stop donating sperm. No sperm, no babies (for the time being). As men our rights have been eroded so why should we still participate?
Andrew, London,
Who are these people that can make laws like this?
The only people that are never listed to nowadays are normal people who have and share normal morals and views.
Its' a disgrace our politicians can do this just to keep a tiny few happy, disgrace they should be ashamed.
I hope the Tory's will repeal
Dale, Wokingham, England
To angry Cynthia - I remind you that woman was formed from the rib of man. It surprises me little that your sad attitudes have cast you out to the Alaskan wilderness. Keep selfish, warped feminist politics out of natural, healthy childraising. May God forgive this hubris.
Guy, London,
Do those people who oppose the amendment really believe that it is better not to exist at all than to live in a single parent / gay couple family? This isn't about whether it is better to have a father or not.
Rachel, London,
Good. I am father to three daughters that I want to give me grand children. The sad thing is, I have never in my whole life met a decent, honest and pure man. I would love to introduce them to one but all that there is is scum. Modern men are a disgrace.
keith Bennet, wigan, uk
horray and victory to lesbains and single women.
its easy for a bloke to make you pregant, but where is he afterwards! how many straight relationships breakdown - lesbains would make great mothers (both alone and with a partner or male friend)
rosni, london,
I don't know why people are so worked up about this. Less than 0.5% of abortions happen at 24 weeks so all this controversy is merely academic.
And if we hold the need for a father to be so important then why are single mothers who conceive naturally not forced to marry the father?
Louise Jones, Leicester, UK
If women had been in charge throughout history, maybe they wouldn' t have had to cook, clean and raise the children of the men who used the time they saved for achieving their advances !
Mindy, Birmingham, UK,
and what effect on the male child. He is being shown that he is not needed or wanted in modern society, what exactly is his role to be in this new society?
richc, alicante,
If men were able to give birth, this wouldn't even be an issue. Since science is overwhelmingly male dominated, mayebe there should be a little sharing of the blame...
Carlos, London,
This is just so so much about promoting womens rights at all costs; who cares what a child might want - it's clearly irrelevant. A real triumph for selfishness!
Richard, London, England
Cynthia, Juneau, Alaska - There is an oft-quoted truism that, if women had been in charge through history, there would have been less wars but wed still live in mud huts. Men make the vast majority of contributions to advances in science, technology and medicine, on which the modern world depends.
Bob Finbow, Haverhill, England
Is this a fiendish plan to stop the normal majority from tolerating homosexuals and despising them instead?
Marion Morrison, cheltenham,
If there is a sadder place to live than Britain, I can't think of one! Thank God my parents immigrated to Australia, 40 years ago. Britain, is a country in desperate need of a vision for its existance. The crazy erosion of morality will see the 'empire' crumble from within.
Catherine R, Cairns, Australia
I'm with Ella. My partner and I would like kids too, but we don't think we have the "right" to IVF. Nobody does.
I do think that two mums can be just as good as a mum and a dad. It all depends on the people involved.
M.R., Stockport,
The liberals are against Capital Punishmen yet support 200,000 abortions. And the kid did nothing wrong........
I would have thought that 20 weeks was long enough time for a woman to make up her mind about 'abortion or not'.
Phil, Preston,
This reform is absolutely disgusting.
The vulnerable unborn child has lost it's rights and a man has now lost his natural right and position as a father.
This is feminism gone mad.
Political Correctness is simply Cultural Marxism, look it up on Google.
Welcome to the Culture of Death
D, London, UK
So now more single women will be having kids and claiming benefits from the government. That's just what we need.
Matt, York,
While I have no doubt women can bring up children by themselves or in a lesbian relationship (my mum is single), don't forget you can't yet make a baby from scratch.. you still need a man for the start of the process!
Science messing with human nature will be the downfall of all of us.
Jon, Kent, UK
Absolutely ridiculous.
That is all.
C. Lion, Bristol,
To everyone saying 'it doesn't matter, so long as there is love'. I realise there are a lot of single parent families out there, and that a lot of children grow up without knowing their mother or father. HOWEVER, isn't it the child's right to have a father?
Nikki, London,
Of course it would an ideal scenario for a child to have both a mother and a father, but in the absence of one, the love of determined, committed women can and should be enough.
As a young voter, Labour and Gordon Brown have won my respect.
Jennifer, Dundee,
If we doubted it before we cannot fail now to see that the lunatics are running the asylum! No father but a female impersonator!
Poor child!
Graham, Essex, UK
We have always known in science that males are redundant. Get ready for the next few years, men, when you find out that women can reproduce without you. Maybe finally, we women will outnumber men enough that we don't have to labor under your male based religions as well.
Cynthia, Juneau, Alaska
This is a just a preview of life under the thumb of modern liberalism. Either sane people will find a way to stop them or it's going to get a whole lot worse. Can't get much worse, you say? It can and will unless they are stopped.
J Stanton, Houston, USA
The triumph of the easy life over the right to life.
Pietr, Dundee, UK
I find this all very upsetting. It is quite clear from the comments made that the vast majority of people feel that elements of this new legislation are counter to thier wants, needs and beliefs. What message does this have to absent farthers and the responsibilty of those that procreate?
Simon, London, UK
My partner and I are unable to have children but choose not to have fertility treatment. Why? Because we don't have the right to have a child no matter what the cost. Nobody does, not even straight couples in a nuclear family.
Ella, Leeds, UK
You Brits have paved the road to your own demise, with your low reproductive rates and now the final straw in destruction of the family. Not to worry, there are plenty of muslims waiting to take your place...
Steve, Orlando, US
I have no problem with lesbians having kids. I just dont want to pay for it with my tax money.
steve, London,
Have we gone quite mad?
Father Bryan Storey, Tintagel, UK
Stop overreacting. This is not "monstrous" or "against the laws of nature". Someone's gender or sexuality does NOT make them any less able to raise a child. If we all agree that discrimination is bad (and the opposite result here would be exactly that), why are we viewing this as a moral apocalypse?
Sam Waters, Sheffield,
Fatherhood in the UK is almost dead. Not only do the secret family courts remove fathers from their children without justification on a daily basis but now it has been done before any eggs are inseminated. Gender apartheid is rife! Rise again Fathers 4 Justice - guardians of our children's future!
Steve, Staines,
The Human rights act was drafted without the inclusion that "common sense" should be used and the "natural order" should be observed. So we end up with Parliament coming to the conclusion that children do not need a father.
Idiotic legislation leads to compound the problem and produce even more.
PeteS, London,
Children with no right to a father in their lives - how does this square with their human rights?
sk, East Sussex, East Sussex
My father died (WWII) a few months before I was born. I remember being dreadfully upset as a young boy, and I still have a sense of loss now. I find the idea of deliberately denying a child a father repugnant.
Steve, Bideford,
It is unethical to experiment on children on such a grand scale.
Laurel, Columbus, MS, US
When you have disposed of God, and the greater good of Society, then what else is there to indulge in but yourself.
Kevin, Leeds,
Any child in a single parent family should be taken into care for their own safety ...now before its to late to save them.
mike, London, England
This will play out poorly for the UK and any others trying it over time. Men will eventually embrace cultures that embrace them and reject those that devalue them. Islam looks more appealing every passing day that the west continues on this path.
S. Wright, Loveland, USA
With all the horrible things we read every single day in the newspaper done by or to young people and children, I honestly don't know how they expect society to become better when they open a door for more people to be raised without any reference of a father and grow with defects of character.
Talita, Chesterfield,
Straight men are no longer biologically necessary. This follows.
Joan, Athens, georgia
Your are witnessing the death of fatherhood by a thousand cuts. Today was one more cut. Prior cuts were no fault (unilateral) divorce, the campaigns against "deadbeat dads", unreasonable alimony and child support, physical custody always awarded to mother, boys decline in schools etc...
William Allen, Pasadena, USA
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