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A leading Labour critic of Gordon Brown's 42-day terror detention plan predicted today that the legislation would have a "very rough ride" in the Lords.
Lord Goldsmith, the former attorney-general under Tony Blair, also accused the Prime Minister of having pushed the measure through the Commons yesterday purely to show his "political virility", echoing a widespread view that it has little chance of making it onto the statute books in its present form.
A revolt by 36 Labour backbenchers left the Government dependent on the votes of Northern Ireland’s Democratic Unionist Party as the proposal scraped through by just nine votes. Both the DUP and Downing Street have rejected Tory charges that some kind of 'dirty deal' was done behind the scenes.
Lord Goldsmith, who has been one of the most high-profile opponents of extending the maximum detention without charge to six weeks, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: “My fear is that this particular issue over the period of detention without charge has become a symbol of political virility.
"It is too important for that, not just because it concerns national security and our safety, which is hugely important, but also because it concerns fundamental values and the basis of our society, which is also hugely important.
“I have no doubt it’s going to get a very rough ride in the Lords and I, as I have consistently been, will be one of those who will be opposed to this measure. The Government doesn’t have an in-built majority in the Lords, and there will be ... some within the Labour benches who will find this very hard to support.”
Lord Goldsmith added that peers would be bolstered by the wafer-thin nature of the Commons majority into believing they would be right to demand that MPs reconsider.
“People say that we need to have this power because the terrorists threaten to destroy our way of life. Well they do, but I fear that we give it away ourselves if we start to undermine those fundamental freedoms,” he said. "We send a bad message if it looks as though we are prepared to pass repressive laws because we think that one day they might be needed.”
But his view was rejected by Lord Carlile, the Liberal Democrat peer who act as the independent reviewer of the UK’s anti-terror legislation.
“Like almost all senior police officers who are involved at the hard end of this dreadful business of trying to protect the public against terrorism, I believe there are entirely predictable and potentially terrible events that could occur in the future for which we should have law ready now," Lord Carlile said.
“I am very anxious that the law should be set firmly in place so that we do not have to be hysterically reactive to some event in the future. We need to have laws fit for the future.”
Lord Goldsmith also criticised Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, for suggesting that he only changed his mind on the issue after leaving government, pointing out that he had also opposed within the Cabinet Mr Blair’s attempt to extend the limit to 90 days. He said that he would have quit office rather than vote for it.
The Conservatives claimed that Mr Brown offered deals worth £1.2 billion to secure the support of wavering Labour backbenchers and DUP MPs whose votes finally won him victory by 315 votes to 306. No 10 insists that no deals were made, but the suspicion nevertheless persisted in Westminster today that Peter Robinson’s party secured some sort of additional support for Ulster.
One DUP MP, Gregory Campbell, said today that no “extraneous” matters were discussed yesterday, although the party hoped for constructive talks in the near future.
“It was on the principle, on the basis of the merits of the case either for or against,” he said. “Those were the issues that the meetings were about, not about extraneous and equally important matters - matters about which we will now have meetings with the Government from now on in.
“We have had constructive meetings about these other issues for months. We will have constructive meetings, I hope, in the future about these issues. That would have happened irrespective of the vote on 42 days.”
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This is a dangerous road to go down. If our rights are being compromised in this way as a direct result of terrorism, then terrorists will be succeeding more than they could ever have hoped. The conflict is based on a difference in values. We can't allow terrorism to let us go against ours.
Katy Read, Oxford, UK
Gordon Brown has singlehandedly and undemocratically sold the British people down the river. We can no longer afford to drive, buy food or speak out of turn. 42 days without charge? Why not just declare martial law, turn the army loose on the streets and be done with the whole sordid affair?
Owen Stimpson, Newtown, Powys
"..events that could occur in the future for which we should have law ready now," Taken to its logical conclusion, then why stop here? Let's have detention camps, secret police, trials without juries, etc. Another article warned that ID cards could also be used for surveillance, so what is left?
Adrian Ryan, Donegal, Ireland
Lets see how many additional benefits are granted to Northern Ireland in the next few months
Mike, Gravesend, England
The next change will be 70 days according to my calculations.
7/7 bombings.
7+7 = 14 x 2 = [28] days first
14 + 28 = [42] days soon
28 + 42 = [70] days next?
jayil, london, uk
Thin end of the wedge,didn't Hitler introduce laws to protect the public? Didn't he us fear as the factor and people forget he was voted in to power.Who is to say that some future government won't use these powers to intern,jews,catholics,indians or people who just don't fit.Shame on you Parliament.
neal, Wokingham ,
When more than half of our representatives vote to extend this iniquitous law,what chance does the ordinary citizen have?Any law that is said to be a 'last resort' inevitably becomes 'first resort'.If the police are given more and more powers they will always abuse those powers as they do now,daily.
Josh Martin, Preston, Gt Britain
We are as usual following America and heading down the
'Patriot Act' road,giving the state almost unlimited power to abuse it's citizens on the slightest pretext on the say so of petty offiicials.And this in a democracy...unbelievable.
Josh Martin, Preston, Gt Britain
cut fuel by a pound ! and cut house hold bills ! and stop making the rich richer and the poor poorer ! and stop free bus passes and cut food prices.
shorne wallis , lincoinshire , england
One has to ask who actually won yesterday, the British people, freedom and democracy, or the terrorists, who all along have been attempting to destroy our way of life. I feel sure that Mr Bin Laden will be smiling this morning.
Jennifer Hynes, Plymouth, England
How ironic; the majority of the electorate who fully understand Gordon Brown's 42-day terror detention plan now have to pin their hopes on the unelected Lords to reject this.
Carry on Gordon.
We won't forget; this less than 24mths left now my friend.
David, Manchester, UK