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Alistair Darling refused last night to bow to demands by town halls, police authorities and charities to protect £1 billion of taxpayers’ money held in collapsed Icelandic banks.
After an emergency meeting between ministers and council chiefs the Chancellor agreed to give “appropriate” help in the severest cases. But he rejected their call to extend the guarantee from individual savers to public and commercial bodies who also risk losing their cash.
Even as the meeting took place The Times learnt that some town halls were considering withdrawing all their cash from private institutions and putting it into more secure Government bonds. If dozens of councils follow suit this could lead to a damaging run on the banks, local government experts cautioned. Westminster and Kensington and Chelsea, two top London councils, said that they were looking at this option.
Tony Travers, of the London School of Economics, said: “Local authorities hold tens of billions of pounds in pri- vate banks. If the Government refuses to give them any protection there they will take it out, causing a run on the banks. The council-tax payer will also lose out as town halls will get lower interest in government bonds.”
The Local Government Association disclosed that more than 108 councils had invested £800 million in Icelandic banks. A Times survey of 82 authorities showed that deposits varied from a few million pounds in smaller districts to £50 million from Kent County Council. Although many councils, such as Kent, have small amounts of their budget invested, smaller districts could have to raise council tax and cut services if they lose their money.
It also emerged yesterday that police authorities in England had invested £100 million, the Metropolitan Police Authority £30 million and Transport for London £40 million. Charitable organisations also appealed for protection as it became known that some of their members had also invested.
But the Government remained firm that it had no intention of bailing out the public or voluntary sector. John Healey, Local Government Minister, said he could not guarantee that people relying on their local council would not lose out. “We are not, and we won’t, guarantee the investments that councils have made,” he said.
“They are in a different position from individual savers. They are intelligent, they’re well-informed investors with access to all sorts of expert advice. We don’t accept that case.
“But what we do accept is that this may — may — cause severe problems for a small number of authorities, particularly the smaller authorities.”
At the meeting he agreed to give some councils greater flexibility to borrow extra cash to use for revenue purposes and to allow some town halls to defer passing on business rates to the Treasury for a limited period.
Council finance officers yesterday protested that they were only following advice that had been given by the Government after the collapse of BCCI in 1991 to spread their assets as widely as possible. In 2004 the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister, led by John Prescott, set out basic guidelines on how they should invest their money to get the best returns with advice on using creditworthy banks.
A spokesman for the Local Government Association said that councils had been told that they could invest in foreign banks provided they had branches in the UK. He also insisted that all councils would take advice from financial advisers such as Butler and Sector to compile a list of creditworthy banks. They would also check with leading credit agencies such as Fitch, Moodys and Standard and Poor that the banks had high ratings.
It emerged yesterday that some councils, including Westminster, one of the top authorities in the country, were still investing in Icelandic banks in September. They went ahead despite warnings by some politicians in July that the Icelandic banks were in a precarious position.
However, Brighton and Hove City Council said that it suspended transactions with one Icelandic bank — Kaupthing Singer & Friedlander — about a year ago amid concerns about the country’s banks expanding too rapidly.
The Treasury is still hoping that creditors to Landsbanki, Kaupthing Singer & Friedlander and Glitner Bank will eventually have their money returned.
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Most people posting here have not looked at the balance sheet of their own (British) bank. If you do, you may find "investments" (bets) in derivatives and other airy-fairy financial instruments. Don't be so quick to point fingers at other people when you may not be as smart as you think.
Carol, UK,
I think the Government is less inclined to bail out local Authorities because, unlike regular savers, they don't vote in general elections.
Stephen J. Brown, Cambridge, UK
Here in France local councils don't hold their funds directly. Might this not solve the UK problem?
Geoffrey Walker, Bordeaux, France
Am I alone in seeing a "blame culture" used to excuse responsibility. Surely the people,, charities and Government bodies who have invested in high interest accounts, in particular, those in Iceland must recognize one of the oldest of all warnings. Caveat Emptor.
J.M. Edwards, Bridwater, England
This just show it is a tough time ahead with the world market. Let us all hope we do have a soft landind.
Alaska, Sheffield, England
"investments can go down as well as up"..that is the gamble...so why should anyone get their money back because they gambled wrongly? Of course it is all disastrous, but to learn the lesson that people cannot live beyond their means forever we may have to feel the pain to come.
ed, LONDON,
Statistics would say that if you spread your assets around then you are bound to get caught out more often.
Why not stay with local building societies ?
After all putting local funds in local mutal societies makes a LOT of sense.
Wake up.
Gazza, Midlands, UK
I can't seem to get a copy of John Prescott's Guide to Safe Investment. Has it sold out?
David, Oxford,
If you elect to bank with a non british bank - then Britain should not bail you out - you have opted for higher interest rates off shore, then go after the country that you have chosen to bank in
Chris, s'bury,
If the Councils were told to spread their assets then they are only losing a very small % of their cash - which they CAN afford.
On the radio, a spokesman from Kent council said they had (I think) about £20million in Iceland banks out of a Pension pot of over £2.5 billion. So no tears from me.
Giordano Bennetti, Swindon,
Surely the only just solution here is to dock the pay of council workers in council's that decided to continue investing in Iceland until the losses are made up. Either that or raid their pension schemes. There is no way taxpayers should be punished for councils' incompetence and negligence.
FJ, London,
Now's the time to strip the councils of the dead wood that lies within (60% should do it), streamline the procedures and reduce paperwork, increase efficiency, lower costs, kick-out those who have been so flippant and irresponsible with taxpayers money and finally show the jobsworths the door.
Invicta, Chatham, Kent
Have you been in to a council office recently? They are staffed by bumbling imbeciles, shuffling around in slippers and cardigans. We should not bail out the councils and we should ensure that the majority of these unaccountable public servants lose their jobs. I'm also hoarding tinned food.
daivd, London, UK
Good old Gordon, he abolished boom and bust, now see what he replaced them by!
Colin, London,
Is it not a worry that some organisations actually have all this money to invest, in 'foreign banks' (such as police authorities and 6 million pounds invested by a hospice!) when they are always claiming they are poverty stricken. Government is not responsible, they should have invested in the uk.
Keith, Perigueux, France
councils should punish the goverment then and reck their plans lets face it no matter what happens at this poitn our taxs are going up and labour is losing hte next election.
Councils may as well cause a run on the banks and take all their case out, At this rate we will all be sleeping onour cash
MR W Jones, Liverpool, England
Councils should never have invested in offshore banks. Also, the warning bells had been ringing some months regarding Iceland. I suppose nobody will be bought to justice.
Np, England, UK (while we have food)
If Darling wont make the losses good the councils should draw out all the deposits as suggested and break his? rescue scheme, private investors lost their own money and the loss should not be placed on the tax payers, the councils lost our money, following guidance from the Government.
am, letchworth,
It is the responsibility of central government to ensure that all banks operating in the UK conform to acceptable standards. This is what we pay regulators to enforce. Surely this failure requires all depositors to be refunded by FSA?
Peter York, Tonbridge,
Interesting that this view is being taken. The same of course is happening in the US, with California (so far) asking for help.
Presumably everyone will jump on the band wagon.
I doubt the US Govt will assist, and I doubt the UK Govt will do so either.
Time to trim your costs guys.
Mike, Smiths, Bermuda