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A leading Church of England bishop has claimed the Iranian president showed a better understanding of “moral and spiritual” values at the end of the naval hostage crisis than Britain’s political leaders.
Michael Nazir-Ali, the Bishop of Rochester, contrasted the words of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad favourably with Britain’s “free-floating” attitudes.
The bishop said that, watching the release of the British sailors and marines last week, “I saw on the one hand what Iran was doing, and what the president [of Iran] said had much to do with the moral and spiritual tradition of their country.
“The president talked about the religious background to the release, with reference to the Prophet’s birthday and the passing over of Christ. What struck me was that if there were any values on the British side they were free-floating and not anchored in a spiritual and moral tradition.
“Unless we reroot ourselves in a spiritual and moral tradition, we won’t know what we stand for and will not be able to confront other people, countries and ideological movements who are very clear where they stand.”
It emerged this weekend that Ahmadinejad’s reference to the “passing over” of Christ may have been in response to a note from Pope Benedict XVI. A Vatican source said the pontiff had written to the Iranian president the day before the release pleading for a goodwill Easter gesture.
Nazir-Ali’s words about Iran were echoed by Thomas Burns, the Roman Catholic Bishop of the Forces, who praised the Iranians’ release of the prisoners. Burns said that, as the Iranians believed their territorial waters had been violated, they had chosen to “put their faith into action to resolve the situation”.
“Faith in a forgiving God has been exemplified in action by their good deeds,” he said. “The Iranians offered to release the sailors and marines not just as the result of diplomacy but also as an act of mercy in accordance with their religion.”
The government will also face rebukes today over its Middle East policies from a number of senior Church of England bishops in Easter sermons.
- John Sentamu, the Archbishop of York, will today stage an outdoor baptism of 20 adults, including some nonAnglicans, who will be fully submerged in a tank in St Sampson’s Square, York.
For more on Easter and religious matters, see www.timesonline.co.uk/faith
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We took six iranians hostage two months ago in iraq - they were all diplomats and guests of the iraqi goverment. This was an illegal act under international law. The iraqi government has demanded their release countless times - we have refused - so much for iraqi sovereignty! Finally in some deal linked to the british sailors one iranian diplomat was released - he is in hospital due to the physical torture the americans inflicted on him - his scares where visible during his press conference which off course was never broadcast by the bbc.
5 of our sailors which accoording to channel 5 news (who interviewed them days before their capture) were on an intelligence mission to spy on iranian positions, are captured in iranian waters - yes we all know it was in their waters - after all its not the first time is it? They could legitametly be put on trial as spys but are pardoned and released unharmed.
\who holds the moral high ground here - make up your own minds!
fred trent, london,
I have been pondering whether to make comments since I am a US citizen but after the Navy/Marine situation and another article I recently read concerning Britain, I feel compelled.
There seem to be some across the world that have missed the fact that the government of a nation -who are not in a declared war with Britain,-seized, interrogated, and put on a media show of military personnel. This act of aggression surely had several intents. They were outmanned and I have compassion for them and their families. However, I hope British citizens will continue to be outraged and I hope and pray the policies of the MofD is reexamined and your troops are supported.
I read where your education leaders are going to quit teaching the Crusades and Holocaust. Does this also mean that there is no mention of the Arab invasions/conquests of Africa, southern Europe, etc. after 662? Just who is controlling your system and why cannot facts be taught with open discussion?
Janet, Mobile, USA/Alabama
"Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali"? I think you have a typo there.
- Should read "Bishop Mohammed Nazir-Ali".
He's the one who shouts "Allah Akbah" at the end of every sermon and hands out sticks of dynamite as the congregation leave.
Bob Cook, London, UK
Yes, by all means your empty-headed eminence, let's re-root ourselves and our culture in the moral and spiritual tradition of a country like Iran, which first kidnaps solidiers operating in another country under a UN mandate (an act of war, according to the traditions of international law, by the way), threatens their lives, jails them, parades them in front of cameras as propaganda props, then magnanimously "frees" them as a gift to Western civilization.
You, sir, are a foul reminder that there is no such thing as intelligent design.
Rick R, Houston, Texas
I don't understand....why did the Iranians then take the Brits hostage in the first place? Clearly the soldiers were in Iraqi territorial waters, but even if they were not, wouldn't the humane thing to do would be to send them away with a warning? Interesting that many of our clergy are now doing the bidding for terrorist states.
Steve, Portland, USA
"This is Easter week when Jesus forgave his enemies on the cross. It is time we all look to Jesus' example and love each other." MR HUSSEIN..Why don't YOU apply this good intention to the Koran, that to a lot of people is the true
Weapon of Mass Destruction.
The Iraninan government captured the British soldiers illegally. Taking western hostages and beheading them is something muslims know how to do well.
islamofascism is global, dallas, USA
When the CoE merges into the Catholic Church there will be need to neutralise these elements.
Roberto, London ,
Bishop Nazir Ali?? Was this man a muslim?
"Once a muslim...always a muslim"
Londonistan, dallas, USA
Who is he kidding??? The release of the HOSTAGES was a purely motive-based act. PROPAGANDA to evoke a public opinion/response. Not out of love, compassion, or anything of the sort. Seriously! Politics, my friend!
DW, Atlanta, Georgia / USA
Excuse me, but have not a couple od british soldiers been killed just as the ones held captives were released? Are you stupid or what, dont you understand this is the way it goes for the muslim mind? Always playing tricks and treating their enemies as if they were fools.The soldiers were released, yes, at the expense of some others being killed.
angel, BILBAO, SPAIN
Another fine example of why the clergy should stay out of the political areana.
Normally when the Bishop of Rochester puts a toe in murky political waters he tends to makes very clear and sensible observation unlike his counter part at York.
Regrettably on this occassion he too has misjudged the situation and the mood abroad in the country.
Jimmy, York, England
Bishop Ali is a disgrace. No wonder nobody goes to Church anymore.
James, Altrincham, UK
Perhaps the bishop might remember what happens to Muslims in Iran (and elsewhere) who leave Islam and become Christians. Is he so keen on the "moral and spiritual values" that justify a death sentence for this "crime"?
David Bannen, Oxford, UK
Is the Bishop of Rochester really that naive? I'm speechless!
Viv, London, England
So we're thanking the person that started the crisis in the first place! Sounds like something out of Monty Python.
Chuck, Gahanna, Ohio, USA
The Holy See has an Ambassador at their Embassy in Teheran who would have made a request to Ali Kamenai to free the sailors,who then allowed Ahmadinejad to make the announcement.After almost thirty years in power they are getting the gist of what diplomacy is!somewhat.
olivebranch, brighton.Sussex, uk
I find it interesting that a bishop would offer words favorable to a Iranian leader who was present when our embassy was taken hostage during the Carter presidency. When you add all the other terrorist acts of Iran, it does make one wonder just who this bishop is for. The sailor's release was strictly propaganda.
Danny Von Kanel, Franklinton, Louisiana
Why should anyone be surprised at this ridiculous statement? Britain is already a Muslim nation as the Islamic Caliphate and British government gradually merge. I suggest that rational Brits start applying for US Citizenship early. Come to a country that people are still willing to fight for.
Killshot, St Paul, USA, Minnesota
I am sure the good Bishop would enjoy life in Iran. Let us pay his ticket and he can insult our soldiers from there. I am sure he will also be very free to practise his religion there.
Robert Harper, Ayr, UK, UK
President Ahmadinejad's "pardoning" of the captured servicemen and woman brought to my mind the scene in "Schindler's List" where Liam Neeson teaches Ralph Fiennes that power can come through showing mercy. The sadistic Fiennes quickly realises that this will only work for him if the prisoners do not come to expect to be pardoned as a matter of course. I think I will wait until the Iranian President renounces the recent Holocaust denial conference held in his country and accepts the freedom of Jews to govern themselves before imagining that he has turned over a new leaf. Stopping the supply of weapons to terrorists in Iraq would help a lot too.
Kevin, London,
I as a Christian am delighted to read Bishop Nazir-Ali's appreciation of the professed attitude of the Iranian president and his authorities who released the naval persons who were being held as prisoners. Sometimes, just sometimes, leaders do act generously. They take a chance, hoping for a better situation to develop. I wish our govt authorities had responded publicly thanking the Iranians for taking the opportunity to ease the stand-off at this time which is variously important for the 3 major monotheistic religions.
I am grateful for the chance to express my support for Bishop Michael's stance.
Mary Wood, Gloucestershire, England
The problem with John Sentamu's baptism is that the 20 will not be submerged long enough.
ron, topsham,
I as a Muslim would like to thank His Emenience Bishop Ali for expressing his appreciation of muslim faith and of Iranian good will geature. Iranian leader suddenly changed his mind and forgave the British Navy personel. The Pope had asked Iranian President to pardon the Soldiers on the Holy Week of Easter. Iran in trying to establish good relationship with teh Christians world, accepted Pope's request and released the sailors. I think this was good move of Iran. It will surely go a long way to improve Muslim-Christian relations that have suffered a set back in last few years. I think Chursh of England leaders shold take this oppertunity to make friends with Iranian religious clerics. Perhaps a visit to Iran would be very productive to all sides. This is Easter week when Jesus forgave his enemies on the cross. It is time we all look to Jesus' example and love each other.
Z Hussain, Rochdale, UK
It would seem that Nazir-Ali lacks any understanding of international politics. To interpret the reasons behind President Ahmadinejads statement in such a narrow way is extremely worrying for someone who is a religious leader. It shows a marked deficit in his appreciation of the various factors which are currently interplaying both in Iran and the broader Middle East.
Simon, Sale, Manchester
Yes, though it seems Nazir-Ali would support a merger between Church and State. Ahmedinejad's press conference sounded like something from the twelfth century. Thank G-d out foreign policy isn't guided by religious texts.
Michael Amior, London,
"Nazir-Ali despises the people whose taxes give him a cosy lifestyle"
How American...The Church of England gets NO taxpayer funds and is not subsidised like Churches in the USA
Voyager, Leeds, England
I'm simply dumbfounded and depressed that a person with a position of such responsibility could be so detached from the facts and interpret the situation so naively....
Tim, Harrogate , UK
And this fellow is the successor to John Fisher? Fisher prayed for the King who martyred him; Nazir-Ali despises the people whose taxes give him a cosy lifestyle
Mack Hall, Kirbyville, Texas