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Contrary to popular stereotypes, Muslims in London have almost twice as much confidence in the Government as the general public and are noticeably more trusting of the judicial system, elections and the police.
More than half identify very strongly with Britain, and about four in every five believe that it is important for integration to master the English language, get a better education and find a job.
The findings, to be revealed tomorrow, are the result of an independent survey of Muslim attitudes by the Gallup Organisation, and point to a much more hopeful outlook for integration than recent reports of extremism, alienation and a ghetto mentality have suggested.
The poll also finds that almost nine out of ten Muslims in London believe attacks that target civilians are unjustified and morally wrong — only 4 per cent fewer than the view of nonMuslims. Some 81 per cent also condemn violence even if used in a noble cause — a figure that is 9 per cent higher than the general public’s view.
But Muslims are overwhelmingly more likely to identify very or extremely strongly with their religion than nonMuslims — 69 per cent compared with 30 per cent.
Only 13 per cent of Muslims say it is necessary to remove the face veil (niqab ) for integration in British society, compared with 55 per cent of nonMuslims who see this as essential. Even fewer, 6 per cent, believe it necessary to remove the headscarf (hijab) compared with 21 per cent of nonMuslims who do think so.
The findings are part of a global survey of Muslim attitudes carried out by Gallup, which conducted face-to-face interviews with individuals aged 15 or older in 40 Muslim countries. As part of this survey, Gallup looked last year at how integrated Muslims were in three European countries — Britain, France and Germany — and how much they identified with their nations, their faith and their ethnicity.
The British poll was carried out only in Greater London, and Gallup admits that this may not be typical of the British Muslim community as a whole. All surveys and research have shown that London has strikingly more relaxed attitudes between all races and religious minorities than elsewhere in Britain. Attitudes to integration may well be less positive if Muslims in Bradford, Oldham and other northern industrial towns are questioned.
Loyalty to Britain was high: 74 per cent (compared with 45 per cent of nonMuslims). So too was respect for other religions: 82 per cent, compared with 54 per cent. Nevertheless, Muslims were twice as likely to say that they had experienced racial or religious discrimination in the past year, with 28 per cent reporting this. The 14 per cent of nonMuslims who suffered discrimination includes a cross-section of all London’s other ethnic and religious minorities.
Gallup found that there were still striking differences between London’s Muslims and nonMuslims on moral issues. Only about 10 per cent believed that sex outside marriage was acceptable, compared with more than 80 per cent of the general public. Even fewer — less than 5 per cent — found homosexual acts acceptable, compared with 65 per cent generally. Slightly more Muslims than nonMuslims accepted “honour killing” and crimes of passion, but the numbers in each case were tiny, at about 2 per cent. Abortion was acceptable to more than three times as many nonMuslims as Muslims, and there were similar big discrepancies on suicide and viewing pornography. Only on the death penalty were the figures fairly close, with about 36 per cent approval by Muslims and 43 per cent by nonMuslims.
The Gallup poll echoed similar polls which have shown that British foreign policy plays a large role in Muslim attitudes.
Gallup found that 59 per cent thought the ousting of Saddam Hussein’s Government by US and British forces was not justified, compared with 40 per cent of the general public. By contrast, only 14 per cent of Muslims thought that the invasion of Iraq was justified, compared with 23 per cent of the public.
The poll is financed by the Gallup Organisation, and so claims that it has no partisan interest in any of the findings. It will be welcome news to many British Muslims, who complain that they are misrepresented as insular, extremist, mistrustful of the police and unwilling to integrate into British society.
Lifting the veil
81%
of London Muslims condemn violence even if used in a noble cause
74%
are loyal to Britain
69%
identify very or extremely strongly with their religion
82%
respect other religions
28%
have experienced racial or religious discrimination in the past year
13%
say that it is necessary to remove the face veil for integration
10%
believe that sex outside marriage is morally acceptable
14%
think that the invasion of Iraq was justified
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When you're reading the results of this poll, it's easy to claim "26% of Muslims are not loyal to Britain" but the fact is, when non-Muslims are asked the same question, the figure is little different. It's important to keep that in mind.
Janice Ross, Carlisle, cumbria
as a young muslim woman born and raised in england i havnt really been shocked or surprised at many of the comments made on this article. we have had to learn to deal with much more racist and hurtful views being imposed on us . this sometimes happens in the classroom and sometimes is shouted at us by random passing strangers in the street. the only thing i have to say to these people making these comments is have you ever really taken the time to get know a muslim properly and have you talked to them? maybe it is then you will see we are not all that different to you and we arent all radicals, terrorists, extremists or whatever it is that you are calling us these days! and no just because im a muslim woman doesnt mean im kept locked up in the house cooking and cleaning and im not forced to cover my head or face. i am actually being ecouraged to go to college and uni just incase you were all wondering.
R.HUSSAIN, north west, uk,
The term 'model citizens' is surely an incorrect discription of this poll: a quick glance at the figures can only give rise for concern about muslims living in the UK
I will not insult your intelligence by breaking down this poll for you, and its already been done on here already, but who ever conducted this poll, and to present it as a glowing tribute to muslims living in the UK will find only egg on their face.
QUESTION FOR YOU:
Did the BNP fund this poll?
Mr wallace, manchester, England
Model citizens? 74% are loyal to Britain, so 26% are not? And 19% support the use of violence and 18% don't respect other religions?
This is a disaster, not a success.
Harry, Norwich,
This Gallup poll is basically flawed and is a tantamount propaganda exercise.
Here is the flaw ... ' The British poll was carried out only in Greater London '.
This means that the the poll is an unrepresentative sample of British muslims and is there statistically invalid.
Its results are contrary to those of previous polls which were nationally sampled.
It exclued bradford, Birmingham, large tracts of West Yorkshire and Manchester. In particular it excludes strongholds of fundamentalist belief in Dewsbury and Birmingham.
Does the poll also include such Inner London Areas such as Tower Hamlets ?
This poll is based upon incorrect sampling practices and is invalid.
It is the sort of thing a statistician would do if he wanted to 'cook the books', which is what I suspect underlies the puropse of this poll.
Andrew Marshall, London, England
To Paul Williams: it may be that some of those born abroad are used to corrupt and immoral governments, and that some of these have found ways to deal with such governments. Secondly, does the government really believe that "confidence in the government" is in any way a positive quality??? Does "National Socialist" ring a bell? Regardless of whether or to what degree those citizens were to blame, "model citizens" is not a phrase i would associate with that period, and if they were "model citizens" then I wouldn't like to be one! Surely, it is moral to fight for what is right, regarless of the 'government'!
Marco, bhm, uk
Only 5% think homosexuality is acceptable. These people need to get out more and realise they're living in the 21 st century not the 1950's.
Only 55% of Britains think it is necessary to remove the face veil. Obviously we've been brainwashed by the politicians into believing in this multicultural madness which is polluting our British idenitiy.
georgie, london, UK
Why do americans have problems with immigrants? I mean there nation, identity and culture is an entire melting pot of the world, so you would think that they would have a somewhat more mature attitude towards change and perhaps less fear of the unknown. As the poll, is it really surprising that muslims in Britain, the majority of whom are born in britain have a similar outlook to non-muslims? Why should it be any different? Perhaps the media is disappointed as they don't get to stir racial hatred and thus have something to report. No doubt extremism exists, but then it does in every religion. Is it not about time that christians came off their high-horse? I mean only 10 centuries massacaring others.... and still going. Congradualtions. Oh and one last thing. Is Britain not fighting or is that some surreal nightmare where we follow an enraged nation in an attempt to undo all progress made since the 1940s. Obviously there are problems but not as many as the media makes out.
Chris, Barnsley,
"Muslims in London have almost twice as much confidence in the Government as the general public "
Is that supposed to be a surprise when our Labour Government bends over backwards for them? Does confidence in a corrupt Government make a 'Model Citizen'; or is it just a question of people knowing which side their bread is buttered on......
Paul Williams, Egham, UK
To Imteyaz Khan. Whilst it is true that a faith and a piece of land are not comparable concepts, the concept of "Britishness" or the adherence to a set of common ideals is perfectly comparable with 'faith'. The real question that needs answering is "if your faith demanded that you act in one way and British national identity demanded that you act otherwise, which takes precedence?". I suspect that most people of 'faith' would say that their faith is paramount. Therein lies the problem with 'alien' (if you'll forgive the word) faiths in the UK. 'Britishness' has developed around the tenets of the christain faith and, although most no longer call themselves 'christian' and sometimes act contrary to it, their personal outlook still reflects this christian heritage. Separation of state and religion has tempered this with a degree of personal freedom of choice that seems lacking in the perceived public institution of Islam. No wonder indigenous Britons worry about Islam influencing UK laws
Bob Finbow, Haverhill, England
If almost nine out of ten Muslims in London believe it is wrong to attack civilians, do the other ten plus percent believe that it is not wrong?
That ten plus percent is a lot of people - 9/11 and 7/7 only needed a handful.
Not a very comforting poll. Taken in the north of England were the 7/7 suicide bombers lived the results might have been even less comforting.
tw, shrewsbury,
To John. it is a silly question to ask which comes first, Islam or Britain. The former is a faith, a belief and the latter is a georaphical piece of land. They are neither antagonist to each other nor incompatible . Personal faith can be practiced any where even in China and Russia.
if you are asking what is the most important thing to a Muslim, then the answer is his faith (Islam). It is more important than any thing in this world, even more precious than their holiest Places Mecca and Medina.
it is totally ridiculous to compare one's religious belief with a piece of land . You compare land with land and faith with faith.
Imteyaz Khan, Wakefield, UK
Dr Imteyaz Ahmed Khan, Wakefield, west yorkshire
Does the Gallup Poll reveal anything about the Muslim attitude to honour killings, or their general attitude to the modernisation of Muslim women, in Western Society?
tw, shrewsbury, uk
Of course muslims have confidence in the government. This government, with little resistance from opposition parties, has sacrificed the rights and wishes of the indigenous 'British' on the alter of multiculturalism. Not surprisingly, those who benefit most from this fact support them. the polls effectively ask them if they like having the country run according to their wishes! The same cannot be said for the bulk of the UK population, who have had their hard won freedoms eliminated by this political correctness. This is reflected in the government's appaling showing in the non-muslim polls.
Bob Finbow, Haverhill, England
Generally speaking, muslims in this country are model citizens as they live in utopian conditions compared to what Islamic regimes offer. Here they are granted freedoms, liberties, rights and benefits which encourage hundreds of thousands of muslims to abandon Islamist countries such as Afghanistan, Iraq,Ethiopia, Somalia etc. and head for these shores.
On that basis it is quite surprising therefore that only 74% are loyal to this country.
Rick, London, England
Quite right. In my work as a tutor I go into (among others) Muslim homes and can assure readers that while some are dangerously detached from reality (as of course are some of all faiths or none) the vast majority fit the stereotype of respectable family-minded hardworking citizens. We are talking here of the inner-city, not the comfortable suburbs.
It is common to find loyalty to Britain, a balanced view of our imperial history, disgust at extremism and commitment to our way of life. In particular they relish a non-sectarian legal system. One mother said "We are a minority. If the law was religious, where would we be?" The nutters are about - the Muslims say so themselves - but in tiny numbers. People like this should be encouraged. If they go to a different church, so what?
It is worth remembering that not very long ago there was similar distrust of an influx of Catholics (Ireland) and Jews (central Europe). There were a few crazies here too, but most assimilated successfully.
Michael Bruce, Selby, Yorkshire
"The findings are part of a global survey of Muslim attitudes carried out by Gallup, which conducted face-to-face interviews with individuals aged 15 or older in 40 Muslim countries. As part of this survey, Gallup looked last year at how integrated Muslims were in three European countries Britain, France and Germany"
factual error: Britain is not a Muslim (neither is France nor Germany).
a second (controversial) point is this: if (a minority, one should hope) of Muslims believe it is honouable and brings the praise of Allah to decieve the infidel, then is this not a motive for lying in surveys?
Marco, bhm, uk
i wonder what the results would be if they did a gallup
on the christians in the uk. 10% loyalty to queen and
country, 20% on respect of other religions, etc
qamar, rawalpindi,
Should have asked the famous question of what comes first Islam or Britain
John, Salford, England
Engflansd and most of Europe is already under the influence of the Muslim's. They believe in politics and religion as one. No separation of state and if you think they won't support the violent ones you are out of your mind. Just in case you hae ever read your Bible try Galatin's Chapter 4 verse 30 which states: "Cast out the bondswoman and her sons for the freewoman and her sons shall inherit. " I am sure you won't mind being a Islamic nation and living under sharia law. Better than fighting, Right?
Ruth Skidmore, Plymouth , Ca. USA
Wow. A section of society which has positive discrimination by law applied to it, is allowed to maintain dual nationality and argue applicability of national laws to themselves effectively accepting what they want (like the welfare state and cash handouts for "neighbourhood projects") and rejecting anything that may detrimentally affect their personal situation is pro-government. Now that's a no brainer. Only 50% of those interviewed in the "most positive and relaxed muslim community in the country", associate with Britain; wouldn't our time, tax money and consideration be better spent on people who actually regard themselves as British? Or perhaps it's time to riot over the tax burden, fortnightly bin collections and lack of public investment in our communities by the Government. Seemed to work for the muslim communitites in Bradford, Burnley and Oldham.
Pete North, manchester,
What about women's equality and rights?
Ethan, South-East,