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A doctor qualified in Jordan and working here, Mohammad Asha, has been named as one of those arrested in connection with the series of failed car bomb attacks in recent days. What do we know about him?
Not much. He graduated in 2004, so would still be on the lowest rungs of medical training, as a junior hospital doctor. His specialist interest is reported to be neurology.
How do foreign doctors arrive and qualify for work in the UK?
Every year thousands of foreign doctors apply to register as doctors in the UK. The normal route, for a doctor who has qualified outside Europe from a recognised medical school, is to take tests of competence in English - the Professional and Linguistic Assessments Board (PLAB) test. An alternative route is to apply for postgraduate training at a recognised institution. Graduates who pass the PLAB test or win a postgraduate training place qualify for "limited registration" by the General Medical Council.
What is limited registration?
It is a form of probationary rgistration which does not enable the recipient to practice, except in a specified job where he or she is supervised by a fully-registered doctor. This is the form of registratiion held by Mohammad Asha, who graduated in Jordan in 2004 and was first given limited registration by the GMC in October 2005. It is not known whether he applied through PLAB or thrugh a postgraduate training programme.
How many doctors from aboard apply to work here?
Many thousands take the PLAB test every year, with numbers rising fast. In 2003 nearly 8,000 passed PLAB 1 and 5,000 PLAB 2. By 2004 the number passing PLAB 2 had risen to 7,500. But many graduates who pass find it very difficult to get jobs - more than a third who passed PLAB 2 in 2003 were still unemployed six months later. Those who do get jobs often find themselves in short-term posts, or six-month posts with no guarantee of further employment.
Who checks if they are who they say they are?
It is up to employing trusts to make these checks, advised by NHS Employers. Checks would include confirmation of identity, references and qualifications, plus a criminal records check. This is obviously harder to do in the case of international graduates, but the Criminal Records Bureau can provide country-by-country advice on whether and how it can be done.
Engaging in bombings is hardly compatible with a doctor's normal duty of care, is it?
It is entirely alien to all that doctors have stood for since Hippocrates first drafted the oath than enjoins doctors to "do no harm". While not all graduates these days swear the Hippocratic Oath on graduation, its principles still bind their conduct.
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He's been acuitted! he's free to do.
http://arrabi.blogspot.com/2008/12/mohammad-asha-dr-evil-is-acquitted-free.html
Muhammad Arrabi, Santa Clara, USA
Don't assume that Dr Asha is involved in terrorism. He hasn't even been charged with any crime yet, let alone convicted. He may simply be a suspect because his phone number appears on someone else's SIM card. Obviously the police will detain and question anyone with even a peripheral connection to the perpetrators of the Glasgow explosion, though most will probably be released uncharged. He may well be just what he appears to be - a hard-working and talented junior doctor.
Mark, Leicester, UK
On behalf of all the Jordanian/Palestinian people, we are SORRY, England. I feel a deep sense of sadness that a sociery that has open its doors to these Drs is betrayed by my own countryman. The Brits are well-informed people and hopefully recognize this to be an isolated case, especially for physicians. Thank God the attacks failed.
HNA, Dallas, TX
Just two weeks ago,university and college lecturers have voted in favour of boycotting Israeli universities. It urges all members to "consider the moral implications of existing and proposed links with Israeli academic institutions".
I am sure that now they will be much more happy with the produce of the Palestinian's Universities.
S. Gemara, Toronto, Canad
How many British qualified junior doctors are unemployed this year due to there being no places for them?
Simon Holly, London,
Why are these junior foreign doctors employed at all, when so many of our own UK trained junior doctors cannot get employment or training?
Maurice Honeywell, Northamptonshire,
in response to previous comments.
Foreign doctors have for years and still are keeping the NHS afloat. Theres far too few national doctors to staff all the posts needed.
We DO NEED THEM.
And of course foreign doctors mainly occupy those posts that British doctors refuse (bad areas, bad jobs, those which do not look good in a doctors CV, and which are considered hard work or boring for example). This does not happen to all, but a fair share of the jobs does go this way.
I do doubt the new selection process has anything to do with doctors behaving this way. And I do not think the fact that they were doctors makes the problem any different. Did people believe only non professionals or no hopers became terrorists? The issues behind all this are far more complicated than a simplistic view like that.
A shock? Yes, but not a surprise...
tony, devon, devon
It just shows that religious indoctrination trumps intelligence and education. Religion is the most dangerous force out there,it is irrational and stupid,having been invented by our ancient ancestors,who knew even less about the real world than we do today. It has to go.
CDolin Nicholas, Vernon BC, Canada
This Jordanian doctor detained has not been charged with this act yet, let alone convicted, and his name is already being dragged in the mud. Whatever happened to innocent till proven guilty?
AQ, Chicago,
Thinking about Dr. Harold Shipman, is it safe to hire foreign doctors?
Peter, Oxford,
almost anyone can come to this country,after a while
become british it seems to me. to be british really means
not very much at all any more.
Michael Bell, basingstoke , england
I will not judge those concerned before it is proven that they did this terrible act, however, to those who think those doctors may have done this crime because of MTAS/MMC injustice that will end the careers of thousands and has reduced their moral to zero, doctors are an honourable lot; they won't even strike for fear of endangering their patients despite the immense suffering they are enduring now. Doctor have high moral values and are a resiliant, would not commit such a grave crime, no connection IMO
I hope this atrocity will not affect the employability of decent, hard working and dedicated British Muslim doctors in this country especially that the MTAS application system recorded the religious background of all applicants.
I am a British muslim who loves and values this country and wish Britain peaceful and prosperous always. I sometimes wonder why don't we send those who are religiously fanatical to be with their own, abroad!
Wamah, London, UK
Hippocrates comes after Islam as will country and King/Queen. Being intelligent does not prevent you from being gullible.
There are plenty of non-islamic doctors looking for jobs.
David Smith, Stourbridge, UK
Desperation and fundamentalism is a school of trickery where also study brilliant Forbes listed people. For all these human beings introspection is forbidden and, at large, both are guilty of the misery of our world. WHO CHEKS THE APTITUDE OF A POLITICIAN to become worth of this job?
Iñaki Oyarzabal, Madrid, Spain
why does everyone jump to conclusions so quickly? This guy is only a suspect at this point. Obviously there is a dearth of qualified UK doctors, which is why doctors from abroad are recruited. By all accounts so far, this Jordanian doctor was a bright and gifted individual. I am more skeptical about the tactics used in these investigations and wide net cast by authorities that leaves many innocents' lives ruined. Let's wait and see who the real culprits are and what their motives were.
Eddie S, London, England
You are lucky they are not proffessional.Al qaeda never miss the target.These people done that because they have problems of descrimination or maybe the politics let them down with their dodgy laws.
paratrooper, paris, france
If this was WW2 and we discovered the enemy was within, of course the solution would be have been to deport or incarcerate all who fit the bill. The time has long since arrived to dismiss PC and think about the future security of Britain.
The enemy has entered concealed within the trojan horse of political correctness.
Peter, Auckland, NZ
If it already has not been discredited, this terrorist case should discredit, once and for all, the "liberal-left" notion that poverty and ignorance is the root cause of terrorism. Even though the 9/11 terrorists were all from upper middle-class backgrounds (not poor) it is suprising how many people who should know better still believe this outdated notion that terrorism is caused by poverty and ignorance.
Kurt, Portland, USA
With the current reports of serious limitation of training place provision in the NHS likely to result in major unemployment for UK doctors, one must ask in these circumstances why on earth further foreign doctors are being allowed into the NHS?
Certainly the PLAB tests should have been stopped by now!
David L. Cox, Loggerheads, UK
The question is does the country really NEED the influx of doctors from abroad?? If not wouldn't it be better to fill these posts with people of similar qualifications already living in Britain, rather than using the limited resources that the country has trying to 'screen' those just wanting to work here for their own 'personal' reasons? It really is either a case of PC taken far too far or simply no common sense prevailing at decision making level - and both come under the heading of poor management!
T. Bishop, London, UK
I am waiting for some bright spark to make the rather obvious link between the recent MTAC/MMC scandal, resulting in thousands of doctors remaining without future training prospects, and the fact that at least two of the suspects were doctors. I would bet anything that these doctors were among those left out in the cold after the recent junior doctors recruitment mess created by Patricia Hewitt... How hard is it to see that "no professional future" + "family to support" + "cultural/religious disenfranchisement" could = "frustration", "resentment" and "act of rage/desperation"?
Mrs. M., London,
We have been involved in Whizz Kids for years and now we have to be veted to continue to be involved. How can some one like this work in England without being veted. we have more laws against our own people yet people like this can come and go as they please . It has to change
Johnny Norfolk, Mileham Norfolk, GB