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A student is being prosecuted after she briefly put her flip-flops up on a train seat.
Despite immediately apologising to the “rail enforcement” officer who reported her, Kathleen Jennings, 19, has been summoned to appear before magistrates today.
Miss Jennings, who is studying mathematics at Manchester University, has been accused of “wilfully interfering with the comfort or convenience” of other rail passengers.
Miss Jennings, a Cub Scout leader who also works with disabled children, said that she had just put the tips of her flip-flops on the unoccupied seat in front of her when the official approached her and said to her, “Are you comfortable?”.
She said last night of the incident in June: “I said sorry and moved my feet back to the floor. Then he said that he wanted to see me when I got off the train. I got off the train at Chester and he was waiting on the side. I was scared throughout the journey.”
On the platform, Miss Jennings, who lives in Oldham, was given an official caution by the Merseyrail enforcement officer, who noted down her description, phone number and occupation. She later received the summons to appear before magistrates in Chester.
Miss Jennings added: “I was crying my eyes out. I am not the sort of person who would do anything wrong. I have never been in trouble before and, working with children, I do not want a criminal record.”
She could face a fine and prosecution costs of up to £150 on top of her own legal bills.
Her father, Tony, said: “It’s ridiculous. Why couldn’t a fixed-penalty notice be given? She could end up with a criminal record on her CV, which could affect her future. It’s madness.
“Kathleen has always been an A* student and is a good, considerate girl. She’s never been in trouble.”
Merseyrail is the only rail company that prosecutes passengers for putting their feet on seats. It has taken about 250 people to court since its scheme began in February.
In May Babiker Fadol, 45, from Chester was prosecuted for the same offence. He admitted the charge and was given a one-year conditional discharge with £50 costs.
A company spokesman said yesterday that it could not comment on the individual case because of the impending court proceedings, but that the policy had been widely publicised through signs and loudspeaker announcements.
It has previously said that the policy was introduced to tackle antisocial behaviour and in response to “passenger feedback”. Enforcement officers use closed-circuit television “head cams” to provide evidence for prosecutions based on railway by-laws.
The company also has spent £32 million refurbishing its fleet.
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I think it is perfectly fair because which innocent passenger would like to sit in a seat covered in mud or dirt by passengers using seats as footrests. There is warnings throughout the train that if you are caught you maybe subject to prosecution as it is under Bylaw 6 of the Railway Bylaws
Alexander Davies, Southport,
I just decided I will never- ever go to that part of the country. But alas, the entire world is becoming nasty - it's not safe to do anything anymore - there's always someone somewhere who pounes on a reason to destroy another human being. Oh, and if i ever see the name of that rail company, I'm headed the opposite direction!
gm, Fowler, Colorado
My simpathies to Miss Jennings, you can´t put everybody in the same sack. She did not mean any harm.
The railcompany is just paranoid and exaggerating. If she had done it on purpose or answered rudely to the officer I would understand, but he is the one who has no manners and consideration for a lady.
Shame on the people who think all teenagers are vandals!
Patrick Gonzalez, Arequipa, Peru
The company should be prosecuted for wasting the courts time. This is yet another example of Britain becoming a facist state. It may be anti-social or as I would rather put it ill mannered to put your feet on the seat, but the young lady apologised politely and clearly was not causing any trouble or offence. Therefore the action taken by the company is heavy handed and misguided. The companies senior management should stop the action and apologosise to the girl, but frankly we all know that they will not.
The companies actions are also anti social and aggressive, in particular I object to the CCTV footage which is a clear breach of privacy, no doubt justified by the claim that its there for passenger safety.
The young lady apologiesed, leave her alone.
Steven Katirai, Newcastle Upon Tyne, England
People shouldn't need telling. If they had better manners, rules and punishments wouldn't be needed. It wasn't a 'silly mistake', it was rude and inconsiderate. She got off far too lightly.
Martin Watson, Teddington ,
We need to somehow arrange for all the scary chavs and all the uptight busybodies to ride on the same trains, where they can mutually annoy one another to their satisfaction, leaving the rest of us in peace on separate trains with our feet up.
Felix, Nottingham,
Having read the comments of people who think she got what she deserved I am amazed at the "Holier Than Thou" attitude. Whilst I do not condone putting your feet on the seat, the idea that you should automatically invoke the full majesty of the law for what is after all a very minor indiscretion serves to highlight exactly what has happened to society in the UK, and I am glad that I no longer live there. Had it been me, I think a simple courteous request would have sufficed. My symapthies to Miss Jennings, I'm sure she meant no harm - shame on the rail company!
Adrian Ryan, Donegal, Ireland
I really, really hate people putting their feet on train seats. It is indicative of a complete lack of thought for other rail users. The fact that this kid is a student and otherwise, according to your article the very model of a well brought up middle class girl does not mitigate hear conduct. She should have known better. In fact if she were some kind of low life chav I doubt if this article would have been published. The sooner they start procecuting on South Eastern Railways the better!
Kilgallon, London,
Precisely the kind of lunacy that makes me incandescent with rage about current life in the UK. So this officious jobsworth moron had no other options? An official caution with a promise of fixed penalties for future offences sounds like something a human might come up with. Sounds like Kathleen should've stolen a car! Similar consequences with door-to-door service if you're not caught. Is anyone else out there seething at how much is done to pursue innocuous crime compared with how little is done to make our streets safer? Gavin of London makes a very fair point (despite his impersonation of Christopher Biggins). I suppose these people doing unnecessary jobs have to justify their otherwise pointless existence.
Giles, Eastbourne, UK
Good work. There needs a serious campaign from public transport companies with regard to this. Mostly youngsters is what I see doing this everyday in my travel and watching their dirty shoe soles is the last thing in mind when one is commuting.
Let this be a lesson to all those who are indulging in such behaviour.
Public transport companies. Take actions.
Paul, London,
It seems to me that the 'Enforcement Officer' in question was being somewhat pig-headed. He probably had a good laugh with his mates afterwards (asuming, of course, he has mates). The lady doesn't appear to have been loutish or obnoxious. She apologised & removed her feet, surely in this instance that was enough. Merseyrail needs to review & clarify it's directives to their 'Enforcement Officers' .
I believe that bullies in uniforms & a little power were called 'Brown Shirts' in the 1930s.
dave, portland,
I doubt the same official, who seems to have picked on a weak person, would dare address a yob in the same manner.
Chris, Suffolk, UK
to mark of manchester
the problem i have with this prosecution is that if it had been one of dave's hoodies, chances are nothing would have happened.
i use these trains quite frequently, and i see people with feet on seats all the time, but i fail to see the rail staff who could do something as they all too often hide at one end of the train or other. especially if the person with feet on a seat has a hoodie.
it's a joke basically, so why aren't i laughing?
sean, wirral,
Full credit to the Rail Enforcement Officer and to the police.
It is high time that action is taken to curb this anti-social behaviour, however this young lady does seem an easy target.
GS, London, UK
Absolute waste of public money - and worse than that, this episode heralds the death of the greatest traditional asset of our way of life: British common sense. We fought two horrendous wars last century to defend our country against being ruled by ruthlessly enforced red tape. Now we are not even in a position to lift a finger in protest because our hands themselves are bound up with the same red gummed plastic manacles. Come on, Cameron - what are you going to do about it?
Edmund Burke, Kingston upon Thames, England
quite right. If the warning signs were ignored (assuming they are there and clear), she deserved it. Common sense really.
bails, hexham,
What a farcical country this is..People are running amok with guns all over Liverpool,and jobsworths are employed to harass people for nothing more than a minor infraction of a railway rule.
That this case could end up in a court of law is a indication of how petty and ineffective the legal system in this country has become.
A verbal warning would be ample in most cases. I will never travel on Merseyrail after reading this rubbish.
Edwina Rigby, Blackburn, England
Ridiculous decision of a civil company playing at being policemen.
It is entirely natural to put ones feet up - good grief it had become a well-known phrase for relaxing after all!
Given that their exhorbitant pricings and truly abismal effciency is now the stuff of legend, it is surely the rail companies that are the true criminals, not this poor person.
Yet more mud on the face of an already exceptionally grimy industry...
Simon Hocking, birmingham, UK
I see so many people doing this in the UK.
As a foreigner I find it badly affects the image of UK.
Think about it you have so many people viiting the UK. I used to think of British citizens as properly groomed and well behaved in public.
Look round you now and draw your own conclusion.
R Iyer, London,
On the one hand I do feel some sympathy for the young woman but rules are rules after all. Does remind one of "Jobsworth" from the Esther Rantzen programmes a few years back. I do wish though that the rail authorities woud put more gaurds or whatever on local trains that carry schoolchildren. My expreriences over the past couple of years are that these "children" are so ignorant, arrogant and rude that they are the ones who should be punished, or their parents if that's how it has to be. And the children are now back at school, bang goes 6 weeks of shear peaceful bliss. Also most annoying are those persons who totally disregard the "quiet rules" in quiet carraiges.
Alan, Lichfield,
She can get off if she was no informed of these rules when she bought the ticket. No case.
des, London, UK
Is this policy for passenger comfort or to keep the trains looking pretty? If they are concerned about passengers, where are the rules and prosecutions relating to iPods and mobile phones?
PR, Cornwall,
Whatever happened to Repugnant Litigation and good judgment?
This smells to high heaven of bullying or procedurised assault.
Kevin Sheridan, Cape Town,
As bad as this may sound, prosecution is right. Its abit silly to let this go. I once travelled on the train and sat on a wet seat without knowing on my way to work. I foundout too late and had to stomach wet trousers till it got dry. This young lady had no right nor reason to put her feet on the seat on public transport. If you want to put your leggs up do it in your own home not where others have to sit. Lets take for example if those who think it is a waste of time sat on dog poo or etc will any of you think its a waste of time to prosecute people who put thier feet on the seats while travelling on public transport? I think tis is a case of lack of consideration for others which is a ery common sight in this country. Condem what is wrong there is no little or large wrong, wrong is wrong and that'll teach miss Jennings a lesson so if the thought ever crosses her mind then she'll remember the consequence and this goes for everyone out there with no consideration for others.
Adegbola, London, UK
A tough one. Antisocial behavious isn't just something obvious yobs do - we are probably all guilty occasionally. But it would be interesting to see the profile of people MerseyRail chooses to pursue. In my expereince train companies are very strong on ensuring good behaviour from unthreatening-looking people commuting to work, but abandon their networks to drunken yobs in the late evening.
Jamie Gilmour, Bolton, UK
Although it seems harsh is taking her to court, she got what she deserved. There's nothing more annoying in people putting their feet on a seat in a train or bus. Would this student have liked it if it was the other way?? I think not!!
Definetely not criminal but stupid and incosiderate!!
J Smith, Edinburgh,
This beggars belief. The magistrates who fined an earlier 'criminal' should be taken off the bench - They are clearly bereft of all common sense and bring ridicule upon the legal system. The next set of Magistrates should impose a penalty on the Rail company for contempt in seeking to demean the criminal court process with their unpleasant bullying. These people make me ashamed to be Britisih - I hope that one day I am in a position where I can do this company some bad turn.
Politicians should take away the Rail company's powers to make by-laws if they are going to abuse their powers in this way.
Riley, Kiev, Ukraine
I know this sounds really petty and to a certain extent it is but why do people continue to do things like this? You wouldn't put your feet up on your sofa at home unless you take your shoes off so, until the public start to treat trains and buses, shops, parks and town centres with respect, then we should come down hard and heavy. I am sick of seeing litter being dropped, people spitting in the streets, dogs on leads doing their business while their owners look on and general disregard for things that don't belong to the offender. You just wouldn't see this sort of behaviour in somewhere like Singapore because they know that if you do the crime you'll pay the fine.
JAN, Portrush, Northern Ireland
The Railway Regulations Act 1889 makes it an offence to behave in a "disorderly, indecent or offensive manner that interfered with the comfort or convenience of a person on the railway."
Behaviour is "disorderly" if it disturbs the ability of people to go quietly and harmlessly about their business.
It is "indecent" if it involves exposing oneself or displays pornography.
It is "offensive" if it involves profanity or swearing, or other depraved conduct.
Go to Crown Court with this one and see what a learned judge does with it.
Michael Petek, Brighton,
If Kathleen had been a 6'4" male, tattooed, skinhead swigging from a can of strong lager would the rail enforcement officer have been so keen to make a date after the journey? Picking on a female maths student seems a bit like shooting fish in a barrel.
Mich, Chislehurst, UK
Its anti-social behaviour and Merseyrail have spent a high cost refurbishing their trains and it should remain in an Immaculate condition. They should clamp down on commuters who I've seen spit, eat and leave rubbish on the trains too!
D, London, UK
This is the problem of having civilians inforcing the law. You get plattoons of little Hitlers who have no sense of a proportion.
Merseyrail is out of step with the rest of the country, and the Department of Transport needs to step in and stop them because its bringing the law into disripute.
Jon Rowles, Richmond,
Isn't it strange how people want one rule for one kind of person, and a different rule for another.
Why should she be treated any different from a "so-called" trouble maker, when they have both broken the same rule?
What example did she set while doing it?
Jon, Marlow, Bucks
Its such a shame that such a good policy is being so poorly enforced... surely there must be some leeway available as there is a clear difference between balancing your toes on the edge of a seat, and shoving your feet on whole. And is there no warning? People commit far worse crimes and get away with warnings and should this girl, regardless of her future profession.
James Whitmarsh, Shrewsbury, Shropshire
Although perhaps overkill in terms of a prosecution, this might be justified if applied equally across the board. My experience of rail travel is that 'enforcement' officers are often nowhere to be seen when groups of rowdy young men create genuine fear in the minds of other passengers. Might a lone (?) female present a safer target for enforcement?
Gill, Sussex, UK
Good on Merseyrail for tackling the issue although I fel a fixed penalty ticket would have been sufficient.. I asked a well-dressed ,middle aged lady to remove her feet from a bus seat in London. She turned it round that I had a problem and needed more coffee! I'm constantly faced with feet on seats ,instead of backsides ionSouth London buses - its disgusting behaviour, but sadly part of life.
Janet, London,
Oh my days. This girl isn't a criminal, and anyone with half a brain who has spent more than half an hour in the real world will tell you that she hasn't done anything at all wrong.
I am amazed at Merseyrail and the ridiculous commenters below who take the side of this "enforcement officer" cretin who had way too much time on his hands (sadly I have long since stopped being amazed at what our criminal justice system does).
Can't you all tell who the real trouble-makers are here?
James, Newcastle,
Magistrates courts are just a conveyor belt. Ms. Jennings should be wise and take legal consul and defend her position. While I was a landlord my tenants placed rubbish out on the wrong day and the magistrates pursued me and convicted me in my absence, I knew nothing of the events. The mistakes were ludicrous and will not mention the facts here, but after 2 years I eventually got a threatening letter in my new residence, jail etc etc.
Spoke to my solicitor, appealed, stating inter alia the errors made by the council and heard nothing more. Case closed. If I did not, then I would too have had a criminal record.
There is the law but also discretion, with out discretion we will be faced with constant absurdity of law.
Pay for a good solicitor in transport law and fight it.
Gareth, Munich,
Why do passengers think it is ok to put feet on seats for any duration? It is standard 'yob' behaviour on trains and buses. If nice young gels do it they are yobs too.
And why does only one rail company prosecute offenders?
Ian Jones, London, UK
What is wrong with our society? This is totaly ridiculous. This is the perfect example of how easily power can be abused when it is put into the wrong hands.
e.j.t, london,
Absolutely ridiulous. Nobody expects train seats to be clean and hardly anybody would, say, eat without washing their hands after using trains. Unless people are worried about the cleanlinss of the backs of their trousers, which is ridiculous, it does no harm.
Ben, York,
This is complete madness! Surely this is a waste of Court time, and I hope the Judge finds a way to throw this particular case out of Court.
Court time should be reserved for repeat offenders of such "petty crimes", and let on-the-spot fines serve for everyone else.
John Robinson, Thetford, UK
This is stupid!
Had this been 40 years ago, and she was a few years younger she would have been given 6 of the best and her privileges would have been taken away. Thats it and with the parental sanction would have been enough.
Oh and how many people with more serious alleged offences had their trials adjourned through lack of Court time?
Austin Tassletine, Bristol, UK
And if the person had been a foul mouthed graffiti spraying, passenger bashing yobbo? There would have been no appearance by the guard!
Steve, London , UK
Could the "comfort and convenience" of other passengers extend to tackling people who play their iPods extremely loud?
MD, Hemel, Herts
I can't help thinking that she would have been wisest not to be civil and compliant. Rather she should have kicked up such a fuss that the police attended. She may then have been simply warned.
This may not actually be the cause, but it does seem that the police are far more reluctant to take action these days than other enforcement authorities.
Peter Bond, Epsom, UK
I don't get it.... when did that become a criminal offence?
If one breaches the rules of the train, surely that should be a mere breach of contract in therefore a civil matter...
Kai, manchester, England
I see so many people doing this in the UK.
As a foreigner I find it badly affects the image of UK.
Think about it you have so many people visiting the UK. I used to think of British citizens as properly groomed and well behaved in public.
Look round you now and draw your own conclusion.
R Iyer, London,
'A student is being prosecuted after she briefly put her flip-flops up on a train seat.'
Thank you Merseyrail.
We must have more respect for one another. In London it is difficult to travel by train in good clothes any more.
Revd Ranald N Macdonald, Cheam,
Oh please, go prosecute some real criminals this is just stupid. If she went and removed her feet straight away she could have been fined but taking her to court is a waste of time and money this is jobsworthy-itis and totally pathetic. Get a life Merseyrail!!!!
Kay, Yorkshire,
Why is the criminal justice system wasting its time on non-cases like this? It'll give a serial rapist a mere 6 years for raping a 12-year-old girl and yet it brings a student into court for a non-crime which in the event she has apologised for anyway. I'm glad I'm getting out of this wacky country soon.
Bianca Summons, Maidenhead,
Sounds like this company should be renamed Miseryrail! It is ridiculous to prosecute people for such a minor offence especially in this case where the young lady apologised.
George, Glasgow, UK
What an absurd waste of money. What next? Prosecutions for recklessly talking too loudly? Custodial sentences for wilfully listening to ipods?
I feel sorry for this poor girl. What utter nonsense!
Rob Cheeseman, Derby, UK
Ridiculous. Train companies ignore violence and threatening behaviour from yobs (prob too scared to face them off) but go to these lengths against a female uni student doing no-one any harn and who apologised and put her feet down right away for something like this - this will give a model student a criminal record, blighting her future. The official behaved in a more threatening way than she did.
Lainey, Lon,
Sad thing about all of this is if she had reacted aggressively and threaterned the inspector he wouldn't have dared to wait for her afterwards. I'm sure she was seen as an easy target, he would never have approached a gang of guys doing the same thing.
Nice guys come last in this PC gone mad country!!
David W, London,
The U.K. is a scary place, it sounds like anti-social behavior was used by the rail enforcement officer. Not visiting the U.K. anytime in the future, thats for sure
Dan, Truro, Canada
I'm with Ebbi all the way on this. Sheer, utter nonsense.
Cris, Bracknell,
Pathetic over-reaction by Merseyrail and their jobsworth...
Surely the first offence for putting your feet on a seat merits a caution, not immediate prosecution.
The woman offered a genuine apology, and clearly was sheken enough not to do it again. That is the point- deterrant. There was no need to prosecute.
Really overblown response to a minor issue. Merseyrail must be really proud of being the papers for this one...
David, Cambridge, UK
Merseyrail are over reacting comletely to this small mistake on this young woman's part. Surely a fine from the rail company would have been sufficient and this only after consistent failure to stick to the rules of the railway.
I don't see how Merseyrail can constantly send people to court for small things such as this, clogging up the courts with 250 people more than usual when other, much more serious crimes are being committed.
Josh, Leicester,
An unoccupied seat on a train? I haven't seen one of those for a while.
L Brown, London,
what a complete waste of time and resoucres. obviously merseyside rail aren't making enough money so they make up ridiculous rules and employ sarcastic losers to enforce such laws
kev, toome,
No it's not ridiculous. This is precisely the sort of low level ill manners and grossness that has become the norm and enabled standards of public behaviour to decline. A cub scout leader should know much better. Zero tolerance!!!
John Ledbury, Kings Lynn, England
Yes, a much needed law but no, a prosecution too far. The trouble is if you give minor officials some power they almost always turn into jobsworths. Common sense applied by officials is a very rare igredient.
The other question raised by the incident is why should a private, commercial organisation be able to make rules which become law? Surely in a democracy law can only be made by a democraticaly elected body
On this ground alone this "law" should be ignored.
mike gee, bournemouth, uk
Can't believe something as ridiculous as this can happen. These enforcement officers must be having a great time when they spot someone who has unwittingly committed an "offence", particularly if it is a foreigner who is not very aware of local rules.
Raj, Delhi , India
The Railway Regulations Act 1889 makes it an offence to behave in a "disorderly, indecent or offensive manner that interfered with the comfort or convenience of a person on the railway."
Behaviour is "disorderly" if it disturbs the ability of people to go quietly and harmlessly about their business.
It is "indecent" if it involves exposing oneself or displays pornography.
It is "offensive" if it involves profanity or swearing, or other depraved conduct.
Go to Crown Court with this one and see what a learned judge does with it.
Michael Petek, Brighton,
i use miseryrail quite often and i frequently see teenagers or older people with their feet on the seats. i have seen rail staff ignore this on a regular basis. but of course some people are all too happy to be a jobsworth. shame on you miseryrail
sean, wirral,
The Railway Regulations Act 1889 makes it an offence to behave in a "disorderly, indecent or offensive manner that interfered with the comfort or convenience of a person on the railway." Behaviour is "disorderly" if it disturbs the ability of people to go quietly and harmlessly about their business. It is "indecent" if it involves exposing oneself or displays pornography. It is "offensive" if it involves profanity or swearing, or other depraved conduct. Go to Crown Court with this one and see what a learned judge does with it.
Michael Petek, Brighton,
Absolutely quite right. I travel from London to Liverpool Lime Street by train regularly and the things I have seen - people with their filthy shoes and sometimes bare feet planted on the seats that other people have to use....why is it considered uncool to sit properly like an adult? It's all part of this anti-adult behaviour attitude that so many people have now - as if to be adult is somehow much less charming than being a silly, rude, ill behaved baby with no manners or sense. Sorry about the diatribe but I am fed up with the infantile behaviour of so many people now. Perhaps it will send out a message - more zero tolerance should be practised in more public places and perhaps they would be pleasanter places for the rest of us.
savannah, Lodnon,
The Railway Regulations Act 1889 makes it an offence to behave in a "disorderly, indecent or offensive manner that interfered with the comfort or convenience of a person on the railway."
Behaviour is "disorderly" if it disturbs the ability of people to go quietly and harmlessly about their business.
It is "indecent" if it involves exposing oneself or displays pornography.
It is "offensive" if it involves profanity or swearing, or other depraved conduct.
Go to Crown Court with this one and see what a learned judge does with it.
Michael Petek, Brighton,
Whilsts I feel that she should have known better than to put her feet on the seat, i do not think that it justifies givng her a criminal record. Criminalsing people who are in the vast majority of cases law abiding citizes is not helpful. This is a young person who has made a mistake, surely a caution would be enough!
Martina, London,
It's not all bad news for the unfortunate woman: once she becomes a convicted criminal, she has rights.
David Masu, Zürich,
Another âJobsworthâ if the girl had been a 6foot Yobbo he would have been ignored and the enforcement officer would have looked the other way, a disgraceful waste of taxpayers money, I hope the magistrate lets her off and criticises Merseyside rail for this
Jim Purvis, derby, derbyshire
It's too bad there aren't more charges like this - the only thing that annoys me more than seeing some shiftless yob with his mucky feet on the seats are the equally shiftless yobs playing their music loudly so that everyone has to suffer their exquisitly bad taste in (c)rap music
Andrew Haigh, London,
of course, she should not have her feet on the seats, but the reaction is pure overkill. forget even a fixed penalty; a simple polite request would have sufficed. instead of which, of course, she got a sarcastic "are you comfortable?". no way to talk to a customer, I'm afraid.
if the train companies put as much effort into making the trains run on time and if they were clean and smart to start with, this kind of draconian approach would be more understandable, if not ever entirely forgivable.
I think she could do with a spell behind bars for wearing flip-flops, though.
jem, london, uk
Q. What's the difference between fare-paying members of the public and the Neanderthals of the RMT Union?
A. The public can be prosecuted for relatively mild antisocial behaviour, or as it was so exquisitely phrased "wilfully interfering with the comfort or convenience" of others.
To forestall responses I strongly object, and have done vocally on several occasions, to people putting their feet on seats.
On the other hand, my heart sinks in sympathy whenever Bob Crow's aggressive face appears in the media, just as it did when I commuted at the sight of the late and unlamented Jimmy Knapp - these people are simply Arguments looking looking for a Cause.
Even a dirty seat is ahead of no seat / no train.
Mike Medina, St. Albans, England
The 'enforcement officer' has made the biggest and most common mistake made by those with little common sense or humanity and too much authority. He failed to use 'discretion'. He has disrupted the life of a person who is probably in all other ways of greater worth to law&order or society than he himself is. He has occupied the courts time with a thoroughly idiotic case.
Those who snarl 'The rules are the rules!' are the same jackals who would whimper 'An order is an order...'.
Bruce Haig, Frankfurt am Main,
When a train is nearly empty I put my feet up on the seat sometimes, it's just silly to prosecute for something like that.
I'd like to know how full the train was at the time, if it was almost full and she did it then that was a bit inconsiderate, but otherwise it's just petty charges for those that probrally can't afford much anyway.
George K, West Drayton, UK
I see so many people doing this in the UK.
As a foreigner I find it badly affects the image of UK.
Think about it you have so many people visiting the UK. I used to think of British citizens as properly groomed and well behaved in public.
Look round you now and draw your own conclusion.
R Iyer, London,
There would of been warnings on the train whice i am sure Miss Jennings would of seen , good on Merseyrail if it had of been one of call me Dave's hoodies would any body out there be complaining ? i think not
mark, manchester, england
totally and absolutely stupid. you are going to ruin this girls future for one silly mistake while criminals and gangs are roaming ths streets.
shame on mersyrail. you disgust me to the point of puke.
ebbi, valencia,
The Railway Regulations Act 1889 makes it an offence to behave in a "disorderly, indecent or offensive manner that interfered with the comfort or convenience of a person on the railway."
Behaviour is "disorderly" if it disturbs the ability of people to go quietly and harmlessly about their business.
It is "indecent" if it involves exposing oneself or displays pornography.
It is "offensive" if it involves profanity or swearing, or other depraved conduct.
Go to Crown Court with this one and see what a learned judge does with it.
Michael Petek, Brighton,
What total and utter madness.
Tony, SE, England
Good for the company!!
Let all other rail companies follow suit.
Putting feet/shoes which have inevitably walked in dog excrement / urine on seats which others have then to sit on IS antisocial .
riv, Durham City,
Oohh, Mr rail enforcement officer, you are brave, aren't you? But tell me, if the 19-year-old female mathematics student had been a 19-year male hoodie, all snot and aggression, what would you have done? That's right, eyes down, pretend you hadn't seen anything. Go after the easy targets, just like the police do
Gavin Smith, London,
I think a verbal caution should suffice. Merseyrail enforcement officers would be better deployed to catch the fare dodgers or ASBO on trains.
P.S. Why can't London Underground have similar policy on feet on seats?
Mike, London, UK
I think Miss Jennings' father was probably correct in saying, at least in the first instance, that a fixed penalty notice could have been issued.
However I do think transport operators should clamp down on people who feel it is accepatable to put their feet up on seats or allow their children to run around on them with their shoes on, chewing gum, dog muck and all.
RH, New Forest,
Serves her right. Yobbish behavoir from males or females is not to be tolerated; even if they are 'so wonderful and work with children'!
Kenneth Wheatley, St Pée sur Nivelle, France
surely a few signs and a courteous "excuse me, could you please not put your feet on the seats" would be better for all. saving the rail firms money, time, and reputation. a perfect waste of judicial power and time. so much so they should be taken to court.
gary eagle, p'boro, uk
A great pity this is not introduced on London transport where the habit of putting feet on seats seems to be a daily occurrance.
M Smith, Rickmansworth, Herts
If she had shown some consideration for other passengers and not allegedly put her feet up on the seat this wouldn't have happened.
Dirty train seats due to selfish people putting their feet on the seat is a far too common occurrence.
Michael Cawood, Wrexham, Wales, UK