Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent of The Times
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Cherie Blair has criticised Muslim religious dress for women where it fails to acknowledge "the woman's right to be a person."
The wife of former Prime Minister Tony Blair warned against the full-face veil, or niqab, worn by strictly Islamic women worldwide because it could prevent a woman from expressing her personality.
Mrs Blair, a practising Roman Catholic who is to publish her own memoirs in October next year, admitted that she had herself been educated by Catholic nuns who wore veils. She said she had no problem with women covering their heads.
But on Islamic veils, she said: "I think however, that if you get to the stage where a woman is not able to express her personality because we cannot see her face, then we do have to ask whether this is something that is actually acknowledging the woman's right to be a person."
Mrs Blair did not confine her criticisms of the full veil to Islamic countries. She said: "I went to a function in Leicester and their were groups of school children, some from Islamic schools who were fully covered, your first reaction is 'how can this be?' But they had views of their own which they were perfectly capable of expressing".
She said people could get "very hung up about women's clothes" and the question was about honouring religious beliefs, "provided they are freely undertaken".
"I think we have to be careful about judging people by their appearances," she said.
Mrs Blair, a top human rights lawyer, was speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme in advance of a lecture she is delivering today on women, culture and religion. In the lecture, organised by the Today programme and Chatham House, home of the Royal Institute of International Affairs, she will call for greater sexual equality, particularly in Islamic countries. She will urge listeners to be unafraid to challenge religion.
She told Today this morning that culture and religion should not be used as an excuse for denying women equal rights to men around the world.
"We have a lot of progress to celebrate, but the reality is there's still a long way to go, particularly internationally, until we actually get to the position where women truly are regarded as equal to men," she said. "Religion, like everything else, is subject to interpretation: religion is only as good as the people who operate the religion.
"And in the course of that, fallible human beings, mainly men, will make judgements which aren't necessarily true to that basic principle that men and women are of equal value." She said: "Women and men are equal human beings and deserving of equal respect."
Mrs Blair's own Church forbids the ordination of women, forbids women from using condoms even when their husband has been infected by HIV while working away, and denies the sacrament of communion to women who are divorced and remarried without an annulment, even when a woman's first marriage has broken down because of abandonment for a younger woman by their husband.
She nevertheless focused her criticisms on Islamic countries. She said the laws on divorce and custody of children remained unfair to women in many Islamic countries, such as Egypt. "I think the facts speak for themselves," she said.
She refused to be drawn on specific criticism of Saudi Arabia where women suffer widespread and serious discrimination, including being banned from driving. But she has previously given a speech on women's rights in Saudi Arabia. She also refused to back the Liberal Democrat boycott of the visit of King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, because she believes it important to keep talking to "find cultural change".
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Islam gave the woman the right to get divorced if she were hurt physically or psychologically by her husband,either by cheating on her or beating her.Couples have the right to get divorce whenever they found out they can't love or stand each other any more,though it is a "disliked' halal.
Mai Shaalan, Alexandria, Egypt
I really don't know whether ur opinion,Mr Wharton, ves based on any medical facts or they r speculations.I mean have there been any acknowledged facts or statistics that prove ur opinion? Islam is not a strict religion. In some countries,it is taken as such,but the core of Islam is about tolerance.
Mai Shaalan, Alexandria, Egypt
Yes these women have the right to wear the veil and mother nature has bitten back because this practice has and is right now inducing Rickets in some of these women.
There bodies are no longer able synthesis the required amount of Vitamin D, needed in order to utilise calcium (you get it from sunlight) that produces strong bones.
As these women are only following the advice given to them by the Imams of their local mosques, maybe they should pay the bills for their hospital treatment.
If the mosques can't afford it, maybe the bill should be sent to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, as main promoter of Wahhabi Islam and with Oil at nearly $100 a barrel, they can easily afford it.
Why should the cash strapped NHS pickup the bill??
Graham Wharton, St. Albans, uk
"Mrs Blair's own Church forbids the ordination of women, forbids women from using condoms even when their husband has been infected by HIV while working away, and denies the sacrament of communion to women who are divorced and remarried without an annulment, even when a woman's first marriage has broken down because of abandonment for a younger woman by their husband."
Bit of hypocrisy by Ms. Booth, isn't it?
Mohammed Khan, Makkah, Saudi Arabia
"Mrs Blair's own Church forbids the ordination of women, forbids women from using condoms even when their husband has been infected by HIV while working away, and denies the sacrament of communion to women who are divorced and remarried without an annulment, even when a woman's first marriage has broken down because of abandonment for a younger woman by their husband." The Catholic Church does not do any of those things.
The Church teaches that God limited the priesthood to men, that God forbids the use of condoms by men and women, and that God remarriage after divorce by men and women, regardless of the reason for the divorce or who sought it. If those were Church rules the Church would have the authority to change them, but because they came from God, the Church does not have that authority. In teaching these things the Church is fulfilling the command Jesus gave to the Apostles in Matthew 28:18-20
Martin Helgesen, Malverne, New York
I wonder why the author of this piece felt the need to add in a little good-old fashioned Catholic bashing. More evidence of scholar Phillip Jenkins' suggestion that the only "last acceptable form of prejudice" is against Roman Catholics.
As a point of reference--Catholic nuns are the only women who are veiled and that varies widely from order to order. Ordinary Catholic women are not required to wear such garments which is quite different from the prescriptions for veiling/covering the body suggested in Islamic scripture and tradition.
Krista, Crofton, Md
Tami, London,
are your comments directed at Ms Blair or the muslims who force religious dress on their womenfolk?
Martin, York, UK
Living among a muslim community, I see a variety (almost as many as there are people) of different dress codes. For instance my muslim neighbours from Pakistan never wear the veil but are quite devout. Then there is the woman who is always immaculately turned out, head to toe in black, with a niqab (clearly quite expensive too) who is regularly seen out and about with her children (but no male relative escort). I don't think she is coerced into wearing it, not the way she holds her head high and proud and by her body language. Clearly there is a reaction to the pressure muslims feel under and some seek to affirm their own identity.
Its a complex issue but I would hope that one day all muslim women will understand it for the sexually repressive symbol that it really is. However education is the only answer, people must be free to wear what they choose .
Bill, Glasgow,
With the exception of female ordination, the restrictions in the paragraph beginning "Mrs Blair's own Church forbids ..", applies equally to both Catholic men and women, yet the ever professional Ruth Gledhill spins it as if these restrictions applied to Catholic women only.
Leo, Birmingham, UK
This was obviously going to be a newsworthy story such is the status of Muslims in the media. But Ms Blair 's comment might well be construed as the pot calling the kettle black given Catholicisms position on a number of women's issues! Thank you to The Times for pointing this out, albeit in a round-about news-ish kind of way :-)
Yunus Yakoub Islam, Huddersfield,
The full veil is medieval .Attitudes about women and sex are appalling under both Islam and Catholicism. At least in the UK I feel it is possible to be critical of both.
Frances , Tunbridge Wells, UK
Frankly, I think Cherie Blair would look better in a veil.
Mouth gag wouldn't go amiss either.
B Wood, London,
I think that something should have been said about the church of england which does not allow women to be bishops nor can lesbian or gay people train to be priests and several bishops will not licence any gay person on their diocese which leaves trained, experienced chaplains with no livelyhood. Those who are in post can be left out of the social circles deliberately.
gillian donohue,, surrey, england
How about " a woman's right to wear what she chooses?"
How about " letting people decide what they want to wear and respecting it? "
How about "leaving other people alone and getting on with one's own life?"
- to mention just a few questions, there are many more!
Tarni, London, UK