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Internet security experts reacted with scepticism today after Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, promised to broaden the online battle against terrorism (write Philippe Naughton and Jonathan Richards).
Ms Smith told a London conference on terror that techniques developed for use against paedophile grooming could be extended to tackle those who use the web to groom young British Muslims to become terrorists.
But security and police experts cautioned that criminals or terrorist recruiters had a vast range of methods at their disposal to conceal their activities and were increasingly sophisticated when it came to evading the authorities.
Ms Smith laid out various measures to counter the "radicalisation into extremism" of young British Muslims to support police efforts against active terror cells.
"Counter-terrorist policing is not just about sharp end - the disruption of those who see to attack us - crucial though that is," she said. "It must also be about stopping people becoming or supporting terrorists, We cannot, after all, simply arrest our way out of the problem."
Speaking at the 'first international conference on radicalisation and political violence', the Home Secretary described the internet as a "key tool for the propagandists for violent extremism".
"Let me be clear: the internet is not a no-go area for government," she said.
"We are already working closely with the communications industry to take action against paedophiles, and together we have improved the way that instances of possible abuse can be reported by internet users.
"If we are ready and willing to take action to stop the grooming of vulnerable young on social networking sites, then I believe we should also take action against those who groom vulnerable people for the purposes of violent extremism.
"In the next few weeks, I will be talking to industry and, critically, those in the community about how best to do this - and how best to identify material that is drawing vulnerable young people into violent extremism. Where there is illegal material on the net, I want it removed."
The online aspect of the counter-terrorist effort was only part of the wider strategy discussed by the Home Secretary, although it garnered headlines even before her speech.
Internet security experts said that it was unlikely that efforts to remove extremist content from the internet would have much impact.
Using advanced technologies such as 'fast-flux DNS', where the location of websites could be shifted around the world on an almost second-by-second basis, extremists could constantly stay one step ahead.
"This type of initiative simply isn't going to have much of an impact on people who want to post and read extreme content," Paul Vlissidis, a security consultant at NCC, said. "Their activities are virtually impossible to police and impossible to trace."
An expert in computer crime at the Met said: "These people are expert at covering their tracks. They hide data within data to conceal their location. They're constantly spoofing their address to hide where they're coming from. It's an ongoing battle."
Meanwhile, internet service providers said that it was not their job to police the internet for offensive comment.
They said they worked with charities such as the Internet Watch Foundation which monitored the web for such content and blocked access to sites hosting illegal content where possible, but that censorship was a job for the authorities.
"If we spent time searching the web's millions of pages for extremist content then we'd do nothing else," Jody Haskayne, a spokesperson for Tiscali, said. "It's not an ISP's job to censor the internet."
A spokesman for the Internet Service Providers Association (ISPA) said that most of the sites concerned were hosted on servers outside of the UK, and were outside the scope of takedown notices that could be issued by British ISPs.
Earlier, Ms Smith told BBC radio that recent cases had suggested growing evidence that people may be using the internet to spread their messages and plan terrorist attacks.
Last October, Mohammed Atif Siddique, a Scottish student, was jailed for eight years for possessing and distributing terrorist material via the web.
Last July, three other men were jailed after pleading guilty to inciting terrorism via the internet in messages that advocated killing non-Muslims.
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Will she be leaving the hard core pornography alone?? Surely she could remove all that while she's about this ridiculous charade.
Operation Ore was a sitting duck as the host had names addresses and credit card details. I'm reasonably sure that you don't have to pay with a reputable credit card to join Al Qaeda.
Pu Li, Guangxi,
Putting more Police out on the streets would be the best way of combatting crime of all kinds, butonce again all we get from this ineffective bunch is meaningless words.
Neil, Cheltenham, England
Oh, for an old fashioned right-wing government to tackle these problems. Winston where are you now that we need you!
kyg, edinburgh,
More completely ineffective government, from an ineffective government. Censorship is not the answer. It never is.
These soundbites might sound wonderful to some, but what they intend to do, will be completely ineffective, and it is an attempt to con the public that "something is being done about this!" (tm)
Why do politicians love censorship ? Because it is cheap and makes some gullible people believe something is being done. It is ineffective and repressive.
I also question the necessity of removing these sites. If people vistit them, it may be from a position of trying to get to know their enemy, which they cannot do, if censorship drives them underground.
Shaun Hollingworth, Rotherham, Yorkshire
Loose talk costs lives....oh, you'vre already told them....never mind then....
anon, southamton, GB
Why are the Home Office wasting their time on this nonsense ? Could it be because it's easier to police.
The real war is out on the streets where innocent men get kicked to death by gangs of out of control yobs. Do someting constructive Ms Smith.
RJA, Nottingham, UK
You cant even stop people downloading the Spongebob Squarepants movie yet she claims to stop the terrorists and their supporters.
Once again a politician making an edict on a subject they knows nothing about.
Phill , The Wirral, England
I agree that militant grooming must stop...its past time those people with their lovely well permed hair and perfect nails varnish were dealt with once and for all!
Henry Adams, Manchester, UK
I don't know why the "police and security experts" in this piece are so negative about anti-terrorist internet policing methods. They were pretty bullish about Ore and similar anti-pedophile operations. Why can't they give their expert opinion to the Home Secretary in private and shut up in public? We're all in this anti-terrorist business together - well, most of us are.
Jonathan, London,
Showboating.
It took long enough to get Hamza off the streets, and he had police surrounding him when he was preaching.
There's little chance that anything effective can be done, in the way outlined. Much more likely that information will come from Echelon.
"Where there is illegal material on the net, I want it removed."
Just shows what little grasp JS has - we have no control over web content hosted outside the UK.
Name Witheld, Manchester,