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One of Britain’s most senior policemen has said that the Government should negotiate with al-Qaeda in a strategy to end its campaign of violence.
In an interview with The Guardian, Sir Hugh Orde, head of the Police Service of Northern Ireland, said that he could not think of a single terrorism campaign in history that ended without negotiation.
Sir Hugh, reportedly a front-runner to be the next commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, said that 30 years of tackling the IRA convinced him that policing - detecting plots and arresting people - was not enough alone to defeat terrorists.
He told the newspaper: “If you want my professional assessment of any terrorism campaign, what fixes it is talking and engaging and judging when the conditions are right for that to take place.
“Is that a naive statement? I don’t think it is ... It is the reality of what we face. If somebody can show me any terrorism campaign where it has been policed out, I’d be happy to read about it, because I can’t think of one.”
Sir Hugh admits that negotiating with terrorists means “thinking the unthinkable” and said that some of the biggest risks his officers took were talking to people that “historically they would not have dreamed of talking to”.
He cites his meeting in 2004 with the Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams as an example of how one-time enemies can become partners in peace.
Asked if he was saying “we should talk to al-Qaeda”, Sir Hugh told the newspaper: “Well that’s the logic of...I don’t think that’s unthinkable, the question will be one of timing.”
He also called for the number of police forces to be slashed from 43 to nine to better fight terrorism and gave warning that the threat from dissident republicans in Ulster was at its greatest in five years.
On Tuesday terrorists attempted to fire-bomb a JJB sports shop in Belfast but failed after the device failed to properly detonate. Sir Hugh said Irish terrorists still wanted to bomb the UK mainland, but lacked the capability. They were still attempting to buy weapons but were disorganised, “psychopathic” and probably numbering no more than 200 people.
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"The parents of a blind seven-year-old who was sent to a religious school in Pakistan have told how he was hung by his feet from a ceiling and beaten to death after failing to memorise the Koran."
Sir Hugh Orde should have a chat with these chaps?
John, Kent, Britain
I completly agree with what he is saying...terrorism is about ideals and beliefs, you cant stop that by merely locking someone up. Terrorism ands its ideals spreads through communication and is its most effect weapon. Time to fight fire with fire and open disgustions
R Hutchison, Belfast, UK
I respect Mr. Orde's views based on his experience and position. But I would ask one further question, as I am interested in his response: How do you negotiate with "psychopathic" people?
Mark, Wellington, USA
My father was one of the heads of special branch killed on the mull. He and his colleagues had beaten the IRA into a corner from which the only option was political not military. Hugh Orde knows nothing of dealing with terrorists he is an amateur with a professional trainset.
phoenix, chippenham,
Jayil London.
YOU may not know it but the UK and USA have been close allies for 150 years.
Also, I haven't forgotten the Islamic declaration of war against the west in 2001. 9/11. Ring a bell ?
Today, in Algeria, there is a pogrom against christians.
Don't like the west? Live elsewhere.
Pierre, Paris,
The police chief should do a better job of reading history, besides the european campaigns against the RAF, Action Direct, the Red Brigades, Baader-Meinhoff etc. There are also campaigns in Oman, Malaysia and Argentina. History is full of successful campaigns given enough determination.
D Fitzsimmons, London, Canada
Loopy! And to think taxpayers are paying this naive fool good money to PROTECT them from those terrorists!
Bob Evans, Anaheim, California
The IRA had a political goal but Al-Qaeda want to establish a world wide caliphate with full sharia law. Nothing less will appease them.
sarah , radlett,
The IRA had a political goal but Al-Qaeda want to establish a world wide caliphate with full sharia law. Nothing less will appease them.
sarah , radlett,
Nah,let's carry on for 30 years. And THEN talk.
john, Liverpool, U.K.
This man rstinks of Common Purpose. The 43 to 9 police forces is EU regionalisation as previously said and must be resisted.
As for talking to a concept; he may as well talk to a plant, maybe he does?
John , Wolverhampton,
Perhaps negotiation with the muslim community in general is what he meant?
If the normal muslims are given the courage to help the police in their work against extremism, then extremism will be increasingly threatened. But this involves give *and* take, we need to listen to their needs too!
Brijit, Paris,
"How can you negotiate with people that have no respect for their own lives or the lives of others...it's absurd!" -- Dave, Harlow, UK
Dave, it may come as a supprise to you but we've been talking to the U.S for years.
jayil, london, uk
How can you negotiate with fanatics that have no regard for their own or other peoples lives...that's absurd!
Dave, Harlow, UK
How can you negotiate with people that have no respect for their own lives or the lives of others...it's absurd!
Dave, Harlow, UK
Sir Hugh,
Well I can think of a few terrorist campaigns that have won, some that have become a low level grumble and some that have been taken out entirely. You seem to have entirely forgotten Red Army Faction, Bader Meinhoff ....I could go on. 1 problem with your plan AQ don't want to talk to us.
richard, Darwen, Lancashire
These people have already said there is nothing we can give them to make them stop so how is it possible to negotiate with them?
Liz, London,
This British Police Man is a stooge of the Nu Labour, Nu Immigrants, Nu Crime party.
There is no organization to talk to, and their demands are the dismantlement of democracy, pretty hard to negotiate with.
Chris, Ely, England
The way to deal with this manufactured Al-quaeda threat is easy. Stop bombing people, get out of other peoples country's and allow them to deal with their own oil in whatever currancy the choose. The biggest threat to the western world as we know it are it's leaders and the vile elite they answer to
andrea, blackpool, lancs
How can we negotiate with al-Qaeda when it is more of an ideology than an organisation? Nobody even knows where its figurehead is or whether he's still alive.
Nick, London,
OK, what do Al Qaeda actually want?
An independent Palestinian state. Most people agree that has to happen, and is necessary. But AQ want the complete destruction of Israel. They want to reclaim "lost Islamic lands" including southern Spain, and much of the Balkans. And total sharia law. No way!
dan, london, uk
He seems to be a bit naive about Al Queda. Al Queda is not a single entity in the way that the IRA, the Mau Mau or the Tamil Tigers. It is a disparate body that doesn't have a single leader. Bin Laden is a figurehead. After the West concedes the terror will go on, but they will blame others.
kerry livermore, London, England
Sir Hugh has a very short memory - WW2 is a prime example of where productive negotiations did not take place until the Allies bombed Germany and Japan into submission - Today's terrorist are not the least bit interested in negotiations - My advice is for Sir Hugh to read up on 19th Century history
WTaylor, London, UK
So, negotiate what? Give a foreign terrorist group a veto on British foreign policy?, domestic policy? Introduce aspects of Sharia law? Negotiation will only show that terrorism works - pay Danegeld and you just get more Danes, and less geld.
Pauline Renton, Camberley, UK
I still have no idea who Al-Qaeda are and what they want. everyone talks about them but no one talks about them. It would also help if we knew who they were, as it stands it just a hop potch of fools with guns.
Farrukh, Woking,
Having lived through the second half of the troubles, facing violence with violence only went part of the way towards resolving the conflict.
Engaging in dialogue assists on many levels, including helping undermine the grass roots support which so many terrorists need to prevail.
Marc, Antrim,
There's just one problem with Sir Hugh's suggestion; how can you enter into negotiations with an idea? Answers on a postcard, please!
Susie Flood, Carryduff, Northern Ireland
Who would you negotiate with and what legitimacy would the agreement have? As with trying to get a definitive ruling on any Islamic doctrine, it all depends on the individual moslem that you speak to. And HIS interpretation is as valid as any other, so we're told.
Melaragni, London,
I would endorse talking to Al Qaeda if they actually had practical, rational aims. The IRA wanted the reunification of Ireland from the "British", not the mass conversion of the populace to Catholicism. Al Qaeda objectives are along the lines of the latter - irrational and non-negotiable.
John, Knutsford, UK
How do you negotiate with someone whose intention is to destroy your way of life and many of your population who have opposing views. I guess we could start by preventing women being educated, forbidding them to leave home and forcing them to wear the Hijab. That'll be a start.
JW, Leicester, UK
I fully agree with top cop. Thank you sir!
jayil, london, uk
Not wanting to be pessimistic but what the IRA and Sinn Fein wanted was quite contained in ideology.
However Extremists such as al-Qaeda (not all Muslims) want Sharia law and conversion of all people of the world to Islam.
I'm not quite so sure a middle ground is achievable.
Dave, Gibraltar,
Slashing police forces from 43 to 9 is an EU regionalisation policy.
Negotiating with terrorists is only of value when one or both sides is unwilling or unable to carry on fighting. Northern Ireland is a good example.
MarkS, Leeds,
Sir Hugh Orde clearly misses the point that Irish groups had a clear, potentially-negotiable agenda and identifiable leaders, structure and membership. AQ do not . I wonder which AQ demands we should be negotiating-the return of Spain to Muslim rule or the introduction of the Caliphate worldwide?
Ben, London, England
What is there between Al-Qaeda and us that is negotiable? Their sole objective is the destruction of western democratic society. I don't see how we can agree to that.
Martin, Newmarket, Suffolk