Michael Evans, Defence Editor
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General Sir Richard Dannatt, the head of the Army, has never been shy in coming forward with his views about the treatment of the men and women under his command. His latest foray is about pay, and the argument he puts across, comparing, unfavourably, the wages of his youngest soldiers with those of traffic wardens and policemen, is controversial.
Knowing what the Army’s 18-year-olds and 19-year-olds — and the young commandos of the Royal Marines — are expected to endure in Iraq and Afghanistan, particularly the latter, facing up to the daily threats of roadside bombs and suicide bombers, it is easy to see why Sir Richard feels their bravery, commitment and professionalism should be recognised in their pay packets.
Young soldiers last year received a 9 per cent pay rise, and yet they continue to earn less than police officers, and, according to General Dannatt, traffic wardens who are paid on average about £17,000 a year.
No disrespect to traffic wardens, but the hostile terrain and climate in Helmand province in southern Afghanistan, let alone the presence of an insurgent force intent on targeting the British and other foreign troops, cannot be compared with walking the streets of even the most unfriendly parts of urban Britain.
However, the comparison is a little disingenuous, because soldiers receive considerably more than a basic wage which currently stands at £16,227 for an 18-year-old private living in single accommodation and preparing to deploy for a six-month tour of Afghanistan. In addition he will get £2,380 as an operational allowance for serving in Afghanistan, a longer separation allowance worth £1,132, and subsidised accommodation. The Ministry of Defence claims that these allowances, plus a number of other financial benefits, increase the total package to £22,854.
However, whether or not soldiers are paid worse than traffic wardens or police constables (£21,009 to £32,985), the issue of pay for the Armed Forces cannot be dealt with in isolation. The more important argument raised by Sir Richard and, incidentally, by many others, including Air Chief Marshal Sir Jock Stirrup, the Chief of the Defence Staff, is whether this country should now be prepared to spend more on defence because of the continuing commitments in Iraq and Afghanistan.
This is not a matter for the MoD to decide, it’s one for the Government as a whole, as well as the electorate. At present the Government spends about 2.4 per cent of the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) on defence which puts £34 billion into the MoD’s coffers to cover, among other things, equipment, accommodation, welfare and salaries. The costs of the operations in Iraq and Afghanistan are paid for out of the Treasury’s reserves.
Thirty four billion pounds is no mean sum. But, as the defence industry keeps on pointing out, the cost of equipment is rising well above inflation, between 8 per cent and 12 per cent, and the MoD’s budget has not been under such pressure for 30 years. For Sir Richard to get his way on pay, the Treasury would either have to rewrite its comprehensive spending review settlement for the MoD, or the Government would have to decide that the time was right to raise the proportion of the GDP spent on defence from 2.4 per cent to at least three per cent. Is this what taxpayers want, knowing that the extra money will have to be found from the Department of Education or Transport or the NHS? It seems unlikely.
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Your above article is frankly, rubbish. £2275 for learning? Only if you have done 8 years. Oh, you can only claim for 3 years as well.
Soldiers can expect to do 1 6 month tour every 2 years, which means you can halve the op allowance and LSA figure. 2.4% of GDP is an insult to the work we do.
Sam Smith, southport, UK
Soldiers are some of the lowest paid workers in the UK and yet are some of the hardest working. This whole article is trying to state that in some way soldiers are lesser citizens and derserve nothing more than a token pay and be treated in an almost slave like manner. Probably anti-male sentiment.
Ashley, Cambridge, United Kingdom
It's about time the Defence budget was increased .. massively...We all should be prepared to pay for this in our taxes. What we should also be doing is stop paying out for the scivers, illegal immigrants, single chav mothers...everybody who looks upon this country as meal ticket.
kirk, Rotherham , UK
Soldiers' wages are subject to the basic rules of economics - supply and demand. If they aren't paid enough they will leave. The Army is haemorraging troops and junior leaders in particular. Therefore pay needs to go up.
Z Smith, London, UK
34 Billion is no mean sum, but in percentage terms 2.4% is even lower than the defence spend of the 1930's. The MOD are quick to list the alleged benefits, but fail to state that many servicemen/woman pay extortionate amounts for private life insurance. Disingenuous figures indeed Michael.
Mad Mac, N Wales, UK
Our great servicemen and women deserve to be paid a good wage. Not only for their efforts, but to also encourage the next generation to see the Army as a valuable career.
Chris, Sydney, Australia
The "typical" 18-year old is not responsible and put in charge of a multi-million pound piece of equipment. THEY are not at the helm of a man-of-war. If they work, THEY have a 40 hour week, free weekends, paid overtime, etc. Don't you DARE compare an 18-year old in the military with a civilian.
Bob Evans, Anaheim, California
British servicemen have always been seen as the poor relation as regards to pay and conditions.Being ex service my self we always came at the bottom of the pay scale things don't change.Cut all perks to the MP's and let the people that do the hard graft get the money they earn.All services past &now
Keith, Witney, U.K
There is a very real issue here.
In the Royal Navy the average term of service for 'basic grade' sailors is down to 4 years, from some 11 years 15 years ago.
In the highly technical world of the modern warship it's barely worth training them at all, seeing as they leave as soon as they become fit.
Chris Palmer, Winchester, England
I'm an ex-serviceman. When I joined up I knew exactly how much I was going to be paid and what might be asked of me. I still chose to join and I had the choice of leaving if I didn't like it. I don't think many join the forces because they think it will make them rich!
Pete, Bristol,
The comment from David Craig about defence procurement simply reflects the complete ignorance about our military. The Chinooks are operated by the Royal Air Force not the Army and procurement is largely in the hands of civil servants at the Ministry of Defence. It is nothing to do with Sir Richard.
Angus, Suffolk,
If we had a military threat closer to home, I'm sure money would be pouring in from all directions to provide better pay &equipment without any squabbling over budgets & financial mismanagement!
gerry, merseyside, uk
A single private serving in the Middle East is worth more than a certain MEP who has 'technical' difficulties with his expenses or BBC 'celebrities' who are paid exhorbitant salaries. Sack three-quarters of MPs, Peers and MEPs and sell the BBC and use procceds to assist paying troops a bonus.
Rick, High Wycombe,
If the great soldier could sort out the incompetent fools in charge of defence procurement (e.g £500m wasted on Chinooks), he would have plenty of money to pay his soldiers good salaries. Sir Richard - the problem is your incompetent management, not a lack of money!
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david craig, bournemouth, UK
The costs of the operations in Iraq & Afghanistan are NOT fully paid out of Treasury reserves. That's why ships, aircraft, tanks, guns are being scrapped or sold to pay for ops. The Treasury acts as judge & jury on who pays what & they are not subject to any independent audit thanks to McBroon.
Ron, Newton Abbot, Devon
So let's understand the argument. A solidier on active service is at risk 24/7. Is the same true of a traffic warden? Not in my area. A little verbal occasionally, but I don't see many RPGs or being deployed round here. And would you care to look at the living conditions in Afghanistan too?
Chuck Unsworth, London,
I was a soldier, the son of a soldier. My whole family are/were soldiers.
I left and tripled my wages!
I don't do anywhere NEAR the hours, or work as hard as a soldier!
I'm still pinching myself as life as a civvie is FANTASTIC!!!
Darren, chatham, kent
The MOD may claim military personel earn more with the inclusion of various allowances. However divide this by the total hours they are required to work and it will be below the minimum wage set by the Government. Als Unlike many NHS employees troops recieve no extra pay for working unsociable hours
Paul, Brighton, uk
I had not actually realised that traffic wardens received a salary. I naturally assumed they did the job for the love of making the motorist angry.
C Darken, Nantwich, UK
More money should be spent on defence and less on "social justice".
Paul Marquick, Exeter, United Kingdom
I have been in the Army for 14 years, I know funding for our pay has to come from somewhere, but can someone please explain why a Traffic Warden, Police Constable or Firefighter gets paid more than a Soldier in the first place? We risk everything for the government, yet see very little recompense!
Mark, Telford, Shropshire