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BRITAIN is considering pulling out of a £9 billion project with America to produce the new Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) aircraft, intended to fly off the Royal Navy’s forthcoming aircraft carriers.
The move is part of an increasingly desperate attempt to plug a £1.5 billion shortfall in the defence budget. The RAF’s 25 new Airbus A400 transport aircraft could also be at risk.
Studies have now been commissioned to analyse whether Eurofighters could be adapted to fly off the carriers.
If Britain abandons the JSF, it will be seen as a further snub to the Americans following Gordon Brown’s decision last week not to send 4,000 more troops to Afghanistan.
Only a week earlier, during a visit to London, Robert Gates, the American defence secretary, had said he understood Britain would be sending more troops to meet what commanders say is a 10,000 shortfall.
The possible ditching of the JSF results in part from spiralling costs that have seen the price of the planned 150 British aircraft rise from the original £9 billion estimate to £15 billion.
Britain has already paid out £2.5 billion in preliminary costs but next spring must start paying for actual aircraft. At that point it is committed to the entire project whatever the price.
Once full production begins, Britain will be paying more than £1 billion a year for the aircraft, exacerbating the already dire state of the Ministry of Defence (MoD) budget.
“That has really concentrated minds at the MoD,” said Francis Tusa, editor of Defence Analysis. “Put simply no-one has the faintest idea how much this project will cost.”
The cost is only part of the problem. There is serious concern over the aircraft’s lack of firepower as it can only carry three 500lb bombs, compared with as many as eight on the Eurofighter.
There is also increasing frustration over the continued American refusal to share information on the technology involved.
President George Bush signed a deal with Tony Blair shortly before the former prime minister handed over to Gordon Brown, promising to share top secret technology with Britain.
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The CVF design ALREADY incorporates CTOL (as French PA2),
so would REDUCE costs to drop the VTOL & proceed with 99% shared design with French. "JSF is cheaper"... except nobody knows the REAL maintenance costs. Adopting naval Rafale/EF would lower unit costs, especially for weapon integration.
Spencer, Portland, USA
so how would the UK test the naval variant of the typhoon when the plane is going to be designed to operate on a carrier that suppose as large as an american nimtiz class carrier
the EF cost already 68.9mil pounds, adding TVC and making it suitable for carrier ops wont be cheap
jack, christensted,
F35 DoD cost evaluation: $286m USAF unit FY2007 to $100m FY2013. USNAVY: $204m FY2008 to $134m 2013. Hard bill...
Concerning the Rafale everybody seems to ignore or consider as a banana Republic product, remember competitions in South Korea and NL: in both places, better quotation than Eurofighter.
Mollard La Bruyere, Lyon, France
If Rafale were selected it would almost certainly be the M-F3 (version, the current operational versions on CDG are M-F1 single seat versions.
Converting the carriers is not a big deal just a re-pricing exercise, dont forget France is paying to be in this carrier prog. Theirs will be CTOL.
Laurence, Mildenhall, UK
"Experts"! Rafale is not good enough to defeat Russian Flankers or Chinese J10s. With new supply chain and training it's not cheaper! F18E is no better. Only 2 options: stealthy F35B or super-agile Typhoon. Beefing up the structure, gear and hook (yes - there's one already!) is no big deal.
Glenn Ridsdale, Sheffield, England
Developing a navalized Eurofighter would be more expensive than just sticking with the F-35. A more realistic option would be to buy Super Hornets. Reconfiguring the Carriers for CATOBAR would also allow the use of E-2D's for AEW, something British carriers painfully lack right now.
Matt, Chicago, IL, USA
Ditch F33B, change the CVF to a CTOL platform and buy the F35A. replace the marine Trents on the CVF to PWR (Rolls Royce already make them for the subs so how expensive could it be?ok I know they'd need to multiple units to drive such a large ship). Complement the F35's with UCAV's...job done.
Gordy Rampling, London,
Arguably, an up-rated (with extended range) Eurofighter is better suited & more affordable to Britain's defence needs. We are an improverished nation that can't even afford to send planes to intercept Russian bomber in UK airspace. The Americans can afford to play the world policeman game-we can't!
Chris, Southend, Essex
JSF cancellation represents an opportunity. Applying Moore's law to UAV's could see Future Carrier as a unqiue mothership for a swarm of capable UAV's. Meanwhile, the defence industrial base remains more than capable of providing the RN with options for manned aircraft systems.
Jeffrey Bradford, New York, United States of America
UK defence spending is among the highest in the world. The cuts have been mainly bought about by years of incompetence within the MoD and the rip-off UK defence industry. The MoD is already looking to replace the recently purchased Viking armoured vehicles in Afghanistan.
Chris, Southend, Essex
We used to have armed forces to be proud of, but defence cuts brought about by political pressures such as peace lobbyists mean that we prevent out serviceman having access to equipment they deserve. JSF is a highly capable naval aircraft; DONT UNDERESTIMATE OUR NEED FOR DEFENCE!
Matt Hollins, Stoke-On-Trent, UK
JSF is overrated. Cancel it & the aircraft carriers. We simply can't afford them & they are a total waste of money. Don't forget the enormous costs required for each battle group to protect the carriers.
We have poured billions into the defence industry for 2nd-rate/much delayed military equipment.
Chris, Southend, Essex
Again, Labour put our troops at risk, it is happy to spend billions of our taxpayers money in foreign aid. But our troops and the defence of our country is the lowest of priorities. Labour OUT!
steve tea, manchester, cheshire
The easiest solution would be buying "Rafale M", which are combat proven 4th generation fighters. May be not performing as well as Typhoon in Air2Air mode (but still very close to it), performing much better in ATG mode, and carrier-ready.
France could procure 80 EF for air defence.
Win-win swap.
Gery, Paris, France
Rumour has it that when contracts are shortly signed, international F-35 partners will be offered a fixed price of nearly US$60 million per aircraft. That will be about £33 million per aircraft at current prices. While the F-35B is likely to cost slightly more, this will still be considerably cheaper than the unit price of the Eurofighter Typhoon or the Rafale.
Mike, London, UK
Thanks to Blair UK world reputation now stinks.
As we're also broke suggest do a 'Switzerland'. Declare strict neutrality. Scrap all defence budgets and spend remaining money on retraining personnel.
Redeploy some funds to draconian immigration controls.
Leigh Vernier, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
IF the new Euro fighter - and certainly a BIG if - is modified to fly off carrier decks then it would certainly- and probably - be the best route to take. The problem are the politicians swho are jeopardizing Britain's (once military) might. The UKs an ISLAND! Wake up..support your military!!
Chris Yelpoc, Red Bluff, California, USA
If HM Governments current force structure plans dont envision even 20 destroyers or frigates at sea, then it is sheer fantasy to believe there will ever be two new carriers, regardless how they are kitted out.
Dennis Eagan, Colorado Springs,
> F-35 can "only" carry on two bombs during an operation and a few air to air missiles
only if it's operating in stealth mode
other planes don't even have the OPTION of stealth mode
in non-stealth mode the F-35B can carry 16,000 lbs of ordnance, the same as an A-10
irtusk, usa,
I can´t understand how American aircraft industries have missed in the developement of a strike aircraft.
F-35 can "only" carry on two bombs during an operation and a few air to air missiles and that for a cost as can ruin a countrys defence budget.
R Jonsson, Kristianstad, Sweden
> The carrier version hasn't even flown yet..
The F-35B (which the UK is buying) has flown
> overinflated price compared to F-18E/F
they are nearly the same
> Longer Range
don't make me laugh
> Why not just go for the French Rafale
F-35 is cheaper
irtusk, usa,
The problem with dropping the JSF is that the carriers will now have to be fitted with catapultes which were taken out of the original design to save money! Option to retrofit was left in the design. Should have gone for catapult launch aircraft in the first place. To marinise Typhoon will cost !!!!
Peter Jones, Stroud,
We don't know if the JSF wil work. The carrier version hasn't even flown yet.... Eurofighter can fly but need to be adapted. So...
Frode, Oslo, Norway
Buying F-35B at there overinflated price compared to F-18E/F at a more realistic price would give the RN a Larger Fleet of aircraft to man there large Deck carriers bigger Bomb load capability compared to F-35B and Longer Range. You get Marginal Stealth frontal only Poor range/Bomb Load with F-35B
John Ferguson , san Diego ,
Why not just go for the French Rafale, or even the Super hornet, cheaper options, plus by going back to conventional carriers we will be able to fly from American and French carriers and visa versa.
vernon, Pilton, UK
If they can climb down a little from their high horses and swallow some pride, they should seriously consider by the Navalised Rafales from the french. It works and with little modification its weapons loads could customised with whatever that is already in the British arsenal!
Nathan, Hong Kong,
Since the early 20th century dawn of naval aviation, bean-counters have been comfortable sending brave men to their deaths by "adapting" existing aircraft to the perils of landing at sea. OK, punish the Yanks. But design a new sea fighter from scratch rather than invite death & disaster to airmen.
Bob Evans, Anaheim, Caluifornia