I'm afraid Councillor Liz Santry sums up the bumbling, totally inappropriate response of the council and social services toyet another child protection tragedy "endless discussion" is not going to protect the nations' children. Nothing, it appears has been implemented from Lord Lammings' report.

Emily, Plymouth,

A memorial to Baby P should be erected so that people may never be allowed to forget the dreadful atrocity perpetrated against him in his short life.

Frances, Merseyside, U.K.

I understand the apology that has been given, but i am wondering how many MORE children will die at the hands of their parents and acomplices, are Haringey Social Services going step up accept the responsibilty for being a part to blame for the loss of not only baby P but also Victoria Climbie?

Racheal Gooch, lowestoft, england

It is time for Haringey social services to improve their services i am currently training for social services and i spotted the obvious opportunities that baby P could have been saved. jobs should be lost and no be re-enstated.It makes me sick to think all they can do is apologise and think its ok!

Racheal Gooch, lowestoft, england

Great photo of Sharon Shoesmith at the racecourse. I hope she had a lovely 'New Labour' day out. What else does she do? Bit of media training?

mark, manchester, England

Same pathetic tragedies have ocurred in Canada, and for the same reason - protecting the mother's rights. There's always an inquiry and in almost every case the child protection agencies are reminded that their duty is to protect the child, not the mother's "rights" but they just don't get it.

Barry Hall, Aurora ON, Canada

If ever there was a cast iron case to revoke the Human Rights Law in favour of common sense and public decency then it is on evidence of this case and the time is now.

The public should demand their MP's and prospective MP's include a manifesto statement that they will revoke this much abused law.

Charles Dowie, Epworth, UK

I cannot understand exactly why there has been so little in the way of discipline againts the various 'authority' figures involved! It seems a though this was a case of trying to brush this all under the carpet.
I wonder if the 'people' involved would have been so passive if it was their own child

sarah, cumbria, united kingdom

Our children are our collective responsibility. We all have a duty to look out for them. All of them, and not just our own. It's not enough to abdicate that responsibility to the social services and then howl for heads when something goes wrong. I support NSPCC. I think it's a good start.

Louise Bostock, Cannobio, Italy

It just beggars belief she should no longer have human rights after what she has done and should certainly never ever have any contact with a child in fact in my opinion she should be sterilised.

Hayley, London, UK

Re the whistleblower, I find the Government's response of "proper procedures were followed" infruriating. They seem to be of the opinion that because the proper forms were filled in, it was dealt with properly! It's an absolute tragedy when you think that Baby P could have been saved.

SC, London,

The new baby must be taken away and allowed to "bond" with someone that will provide love and care. As for the perpetrators of this horrific crime their human rights should be removed ASAP. Sterilisation and Branding are only two of a long list of measures that I would carry out!

Elisabeth, Marlow, UK

This is a tragic incident and 14 years imprisonment is no consilation of this poor babies life. The social workers should also bear the brunt of what they have allowed to happen they should have learnt from there last tragic case of victoria climbia. But they havent. Things need to change quick.

Danielle, Merseyside, England

According to the Wikipedia entry on Haringey, in 2006 19% of a workforce of 64,700 was engaged in "Health and Social Work". What were they all doing, apart for waiting for their index-linked pensions?

Bill Peter, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

i have a 13 month old son myself and i was physically sick wen i heard this on the news.. how anyone cud let this happen to their own child is beyond belief!! this is when the death penalty shud be bought back in. for scum like them!!

samm, trowbridge, wiltshire

I havent slept since I heard about poor baby p, this is a disgrace. how can they do that to there flesh and blood...
She needs to been hanged. SLOWLY.. i HAVE NEVER CRIED SO MANY TEARS.

linsey, nottinhgam, england

Watch the body language of those involved, including ministers, explaining why it wasn't their fault. Their eyes say it all - they don't believe what they are saying. The more their eyes open wide & their heads nod the more you know they are lying. I learned this watching Blair, Brown & Mandelson.

Robert Bryant, Bromley, Kent

It is quite obvious that that the officials involved with the Baby P case are incompetent and should be fired without delay.

Hugh Putt, Port of Spain, Trinidad

I can barely watch my wee boy playing without getting that sinking feeling of what this wee baby p suffered and how. Surely it's time to re-evaluate 'human rights' and why it can be applied to adult abusers and not to a suffering child. Well done police the wee girl will grow up to thank you.

iona, tain, scotland

I share your outrage. However, it is all too easy to blame officials and social workers when this sort of thing happens, but no end of accusations, sackings or legislation will ever stop it occuring again. It is inevitable. Some things will always get missed. Sad, but unfortuanately true.

Clive Anthony, Chichester, England

Scumbag parents allowed to breed when they should have been sterilised. The parents are a waste of oxygen and should be deleted forthwith.
Haringey social services are culpable, but knowing an ex social worker, there's is an onerous and thankless task. They are damned if they do,damned if the dont.

Peter Gibbinson, Keston, Kent

It would apparently harm no child an even possibly help some if the entire staff in that social services department were sacked with immediate effect.

Ad, Nottingham, UK

if the boyfriend and lodger are already in jail why why why are the whole of haringay social services also not in jail with that shoestring doing hard labour in the mines??? pathetic UK your government will ensure these people get away with this and will promote them.

peter jones, moscow,

How inappropriate can it be for Child Welfare services to be run by a local council? There is bound to be an internal conflict of interest at some point given the breadth of local services that they provide. Child services should be completely autonomous to serve children justly.

Mat Bright, Milton Keynes,

My 7 year old daughter said to me, 'Mummy, how didn't they know the baby's mummy was bad when he was hurt so many times all his life? I would have called the police...' Perhaps my daughter should be running child services in this country. Shame on u all for allowing this to happen. Makes me sick.

Emma, Herts,

I hope they're put in with all the hardcore criminals and their cell door 'accidentally' left open one night to be dealt with properly. I wish slow, painful deaths to the murderers of Baby P. How can any human do this to such an innocent little life and how could this country allow it?

Emma, Herts,

It sickens me that they are not named...although we know who they are. This poor child hasn't even been allowed the dignity of a proper name.

Julian Cosgrove, Warwick, England

I think the real problem is the prevailing view that sociopaths and psycopaths can be gently coaxed out of their mental state by understanding and forgiveness.

But genetically these people were cast in stone long ago. You may as well hopefully cuddle a shark in a children's swimming pool.

iain, bedford, uk

How can it be acceptable that a "mother" who has failed so utterly is allowed to have another child? a very strong case for sterilisation in my oppinion (bring on the liberal brigade)

Edd, St Albans, United Kingdom

We should be investing in more police officers. Policemen are realistic, not easily hoodwinked and fairly hardbitten people. Social workers are so concerned about being PC, and with not offending people's human rights, that they put parent's rights above children. The police seem rightly angry.

S, Sheffield,

"The 32-year-old boyfriend of Baby P’s mother and the couple's lodger, Jason Owen, 36, were convicted at the Old Bailey on Tuesday of causing or allowing his death."

What is the difference between murder and causing someone's death? And why exactly did a jury clear them of murder?

Sharon, london,

It is time that a review of "human rights" law is taken and it should no longer be ambiguous or misinterpreted by local councils; who are "legally scared" into making choices which are seen by the majority of responsible working people who pay into the councils as completely ridiculous and offensive

Timothy, Woking, UK

It is time that a review of "human rights" law is taken and it should no longer be ambiguous or misinterpreted by local councils who are "legally scared" into making choices which are seen by the majority of responsible working people who pay into the councils as completely ridiculous and offensive.

Timothy, Woking, UK

I used to think it was a joke, but now I know why the most commonly heard phrases from bureaucrats and jobsworths are "We will learn from our mistakes" and "This must never happen again".

Nobody in Haringey will resign, they actually believe this shocking crime wasn't their fault.

Steve, London,

I am a social worker in a London Borough and this death has led to practitioners feeling anxious. The government needs to review the social work profession and train us better and give us lower case loads. We are juggling risky families and end up prioritising crisis due to our large case loads.

JM, London, UK

Being competent means never having to say you're sorry.

Bob Emmett, Norwich, UK

Will the investigators again have to apply to the court inorder to be given key information or is that a part of being welcome?

What happened to shame and remorse - I would not wait for an inquiry, I would have trouble living with myself and would look for ways to make a sacrifice & restitution.

WAK.Coe, Llandudno, Upper Wales

What becomes increasingly clear from all these comments is that our rulers and their servants have become completely detached from the attiudes and common-sense approach of most "normal" individuals in this country. That should be the subject of an inquiry, not the death of a baby.

Peter, Pirot, Serbia

The whistleblower is banned from speaking about the council's activities by a court injunction.
That tells you everything you need to know. Just when we should be getting to the bottom of this, someone with something to say is gagged. The WB should publish a list of the people -with no comment

N Reed, London, UK

Poor little love. let down by everyone, and social services turning a blind eye to his plight...it defies belief. I am horrified by this story. How can we call ourselves a civilised society when things like this are still happening. There seems to be no genuine remorse, just excuses and cover ups

Sophie, Letchworth, England

Words cost nothing save a bit of ego. Actions speaks louder than words. Therefore, lets us see how many Social Service Department Senior Officials and the Council "Cabinet" members accept responsibility and resign or get fired without compensation. Come on the Council let us see you act.

raj, Harrow, UK

There must be an inquiry...musn't happen again...blah, blah, blah - but inquiries lead to nothing, no one takes responsibility, everyone keeps their jobs or at the very least gets a huge pay-off to go quietly. Meanwhile, another child dies. Shame on all those who let Baby P slip through the net...

Sarah Caitlin, Ibiza, Spain

Human Rights again rears it's ugly head in a non-sensical way!
Was Human Rights legislation not founded on war torture and similar extreme violations. Surely stretching it to this 'mother' and her rights to look after her new child is way beyond belief.

Phil, Kent, UK

Human Rights, Human Rights! My god, this Human Rights talk is pushing me over the edge!
Human Rights are about serious violations of a persons life by war or similar extreme activities. This nonsense of 'my prison food is too cold' etc is pushing it way too far.

Phil, Kent, UK

This whole story has upset me so much, his whole life a horrific nightmare the poor poor boy. I hope the mother lodger and boyfriend all get their comuppance, and that wont be enough to pay 4 what they did. Even that though wont change what has happenned to baby p and his tragic little life .x

Jemma, merseyside,

Imaginary conversation............

"Lets all blame someone else and keep our salary and huge pensions... If anyone says any different we can claim our Human Rights have been infringed and we can sue for millions"....
...."yes, lets do that"

Enquiry closed.

Absoloute disgrace

Phil, Kent, UK

what about baby p's human rights?

jules, kilmarnock, scotland

As Chairman Mao once said, 'society is like a fish, when it goes bad the rot begins in the head' Time is long overdue for a return to the common sense we enjoyed in the1960's.

Clive Burghard, Lancing, ENGLAND

Let Sharon Shoesmith be prosecuted for criminal negligence. If no high up heads roll then what hope for future abused children in Haringey? That doctor who refused to examine Baby P because he was "cranky" should also be struck off.

ja, London,

And all they say is 'sorry'? Cant believe it! Not only they should all be sacked but they shout be taken to court as responsible for this child's death!! As for the mother and her boyfriend, BRING BACK DEATH PENALTY!!! It makes me so angry what some people get away with only if they act crazy!

Ema , London, UK

How could "social services" having seen the abuse metered out to baby P , watched by his mother, believe in human rights for her ?????.

Where did compassion and common sense go ????????????

S.Wilson, Polop, Spain

Social services was, and is, going through the motions: fill in the paperwork and complete the quota.

It took 15 months to issue a pathetic apology. Another eyewash..

The doctor's non-touch technique of examination was sheer neglect.

They must all accept blame and face criminal charges.

M Khan, Peterborough, UK

I don't care how many so called professionals were involved with this child's death. I think that all of those who were involved in whatever child service organisation and were involved with any visit to the home of this child should be listed, sacked from their jobs and publicly humiliated.

A Beech, Crowthorne, UK

the mothers human rights would be infringed if she had her baby taken away from her? its like a bad joke!

whoever invented the idea of "human rights" has alot to answer for. soon they will try to make prison illegal because it breaches their "right to a familty life"

do gooders ruin everything

will, grimsby, uk

Kevin - when the case was 'concerning', the child should have been removed - if there was a concern about 'bonding' then both mother and child should have been placed in a supervised hostel.

I think all agencies concerned have been negligent - from the health visitors to the social services

Anne , Muscat, Oman

This very sad story all goes to show that it doesn't matter how many databases, regulations, CRB checks, government reviews, or child protection initiatives there are. What matters is how people behave in the real world.

Databases don't protect people - people protect people.

Ian, London, UK

the furore caused by these events does tend to mask the fact that most social workers are probably not incompetent.big organisations react slowly simply because they are big, and are often scared to the point of inertia of making any positive decision for fear that 'civil liberties' are infringed.

billy king, dumbarton, scotland

How can this woman - head of social services sleep at night. I bet she resigns or gets a golden handshake to leave and resurfaces doing the same job somewhere else with more pay.

Simon Jester, Laxanada, Greece

Looks like the BBC radio series "Clare in the Comunity" was a lot closer to the truth than even the writers intended.

Martin, Poole, UK

A child is dead; the mother arrested & charged with murder yet Haringey social workers feel her 'human rights' come above those of her newborn: despicable, but entirely in keeping with the P/C socialist nightmare we are living in where 'rights' only seem to apply to criminals & layabouts. Sack them.

Donna Walker, Effingham, England

What about the defenceless baby's human rights? What is a 'right' anyway, except someone elses judgement. Just another rule to have power over others, and to prevent common sense. "Rules for the Foolish but Guidance for the Wise". Rumi. C13th.

Chris, London,

60 visists and no one twigged on discusting clearly these social workers need a pay rise so they can get their eyes tested.

diana, london,

What about the human rights of not only her newborn, but of the child she is accused of murdering?

No country is perfect, but where I live, if you are sentenced to life it is that, your natural life without the possibility of parole.

What happened to caring about the victim?

susan, redford, usa

What complete and utter rubbish. The only conversation and discussion there is likely to have been in Harringay Council is how they can cover up their complete and utter incompetence and save their own skins.

Paul , Milton Keynes, UK

This has to be the final nadir of the socialist nightmare into which we've sunk.

"Her human rights"? A "treat" paid for by other taxpayers, to families being investigated for abuse? Why not spend the money protecting the child.

I give up, any deserted islands out there? Please advise.

Ryan G, London,

These social workers at Haringey are beyond belief, indoctrinated with pc human rights dogma to the exclusion of simple commonsense and humanity. To put this mother's "rights" above the welfare of defenceless children speaks massive volumes about the idiocy that pc has wrought in this land.

Ian Dickson, Brighton, UK

This tale of incopetence leaves me alternately shaking with rage and fighting back tears. Haringey council are clearly unfit to do their jobs. Leaving the new baby with a mother who recently murdered her first is beyond belief. Trust the police to intervene with common sense.

Conor, Dublin, Ireland

There's been a dire lack of clear reporting on this story, in all areas of the media, with a clear slant on dissing Social Services. I suspect that the story isn't nearly as clear-cut as we're led to believe. For example, how quickly did the abuse deteriorate from 'concerning' to life-threatening?

Kevin Sweeney, Edinburgh, UK

Journalists are slow to understand there are many more people involved than simply the Social Worker on the ground - police child protection officer, health workers and doctors will all have been involved in this case. Recommendation from her should have been ratified by child protection conference

Jim Richardson, Newport, UK

This just goes to show how ridiculous the system is these days. Social services should be utterly ashamed as a young and defenceless child has died on their watch. I cannot believe 60 visits resulted in death! How the second child is still with the mother in prison is beyond belief!!

Zak, Weybridge, Surrey

Is this Sharon woman and her useless team serious!!! They doesn't seem to be capable making one decision that is acceptable to the rest of society. Sack the lot of them, print their names publicly and ensure they do not have a job with any responsibility ever again.

These people MUST pay!

Andrew Doyle, Manchester,

i think its disgusting how u could misjudge a situation so badly,that poor little boy would be alive now if u people did ur job properly,you should be in prison along with the people that killed him.

celeste betts, leicester, england