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The leaders of the BBC today admitted that the lewd phone messages broadcast by Jonathan Ross and Russell Brand on Radio 2 last month were a grave lapse of standards but said that the corporation had done its best to put things right.
Facing questions by MPs in a Culture, Media and Sport Committee hearing at the House of Commons, director-general Mark Thompson said: "I am very aware that this was a very serious editorial lapse. There were errors in judgment."
Sir Michael Lyons, the BBC chairman, who was also questioned by the committee, said that the corporation had "crossed a boundary" by broadcasting the messages left on actor Andrew Sachs’s answerphone on Brand’s Radio 2 show.
But under uncomfortable questioning Sir Michael and Mr Thompson insisted that the corporation had acted promptly and properly in the aftermath of the scandal, which prompted more than 40,000 people to complain to the BBC.
"There was no lack of speed. This is something I do not accept," said Sir Michael, when MPs accused the BBC of lamentable slowness.
"I refute and reject any allegations there were more actions the trust should have taken. The trust is doing its job of holding the executive to account."
The Culture, Media and Sport Committee decided to focus on the controversial broadcast as it held the second hearing in its inquiry into the BBC's commercial operations.
On October 18 Brand and Ross could be heard on air leaving a string of offensive messages, claiming that Brand had slept with Sachs' granddaughter Georgina, after Sachs failed to answer for a pre-arranged phone interview.
Lesley Douglas, the head of Radio 2, quit on October 30 in the wake of the scandal, followed by David Barber, the Radio 2 head of specialist music and compliance. It is thought Barber’s job would have involved checking that content complied with BBC guidelines.
Andy Burnham, the Culture Secretary, has said that the calls to Sachs were a "serious lapse of broadcasting standards" and that the BBC management was "too slow" in recognising the seriousness of the situation.
The controversy is still under internal investigation, and the BBC Trust is due to discuss the furore, which saw Brand quit and Ross suspended, when it meets later this week. It has requested a final, written report on the matter from the director-general.
The MPs criticised Mr Thompson and Sir Michael for failing to fire the two presenters for "gross misconduct", but Sir Michael said: "Before you bandy around words like gross misconduct, the BBC has a duty of care.
"The BBC looks at the evidence before making its decisions. I think that’s the sign of a healthy organisation."
Mr Thompson said the BBC had made improvements over the past five years, pleading: "You cannot expect that sometimes we will not get it wrong. This is a very uncharacteristic."
Responding to accusations of systematic failures, Sir Michael admitted there were lessons to be learned, but added: "It is in the nature of the BBC that it takes risks."
Mr Thompson denied that Ross's £6 million a year salary was too high. "I think, if the BBC has to have top talent, you have to accept that. Even when you grow your own talent, people are on the phone," he said.
The MPs are holding an inquiry into the benefits, opportunities and risks of the BBC's profit-making activities. The future of its commercial arm, BBC Worldwide, and of other BBC commercial subsidiaries are all under scrutiny, and how the money earned by the BBC is invested.
Mr Thompson defended BBC Worldwide, saying that it had repeatedly been voted the distributor of choice by the industry. "The BBC has been able to make programmes it would not have been able to do without BBC Worldwide," he said.
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Its a total over reaction from start to finish. The broadcast should have never taken place,but talented individuals are no different to anyone else - sometimes they make mistakes or get carried away in the moment. The biggest mistake in my opinion is that The BBC might have lost its best stars
Steve P, Lydney, UK
I havn't met a single person who actually cares about the whole Jonathan Ross "Debacle". I wish the papers would stop going on about something that very few people actually care about. They shouldn't have done it but it's certainly not a sackable offense, and doesn't deserve all this media attention
Ross barber, Blackpool, United Kingdom
I am delighted that most comments posted here are against Ross who I hate for the swill that he has no hesitation in saying on various matters including sex which he is happy to debase, no less the BBC for allowing him to, for having lost the plot and generally wasting a fortune of taxpayers' money.
Stephen Felce, Enfield, UK
They are taking this a bit to far now. Let it be, let it be. What he did was wrong. But sacking him, come on, I like his show. Spent Sunday morns in bved watching it on BBC I
Irfon, Bangor,
I think the BBC is taking the right couse of action by looking into this affair more .... Jonathan has got away with abusive languge to his guests on his TV show also for far too long, it is giving the wrong message out to the young especially.
Peter, Horsham, UK
Well let the BBC take the risk of sacking Thompson and put a grown up in his job. This is not just about the Ross affair it's about accountable broadcasting.
T Martin, Bromley, England
What an incredible waste of money. Ross spouts on about himself whilst his guests are kept waiting and on view as if he was of some special importance and as if he had anything of value to say.
To say that his fee is ludicrously and farcically out of proportion is a gross understatement.
Martin Kostyrka, Stratford Upon Avon, United Kingdom
Nobody seems to have thought about the viewers/ listeners who actually enjoy Jonathan Ross's shows. We pay our license fee too you know, and I for one will be really unhappy if the beeb sack him due to pressure which has only arisen because of the ridiculous exaggeration of the affair by the media.
Baz, Leeds,
This is ludicrous, Jonathan Ross should not be sacked, it was silly, immature and he's been punished, enough is enough. So many punitive measures demean us all.
Z McMillan-Ward, Great Missenden, Bucks
Sack Ross. The license fee should be for talent nurturing and informative programmes not for "edgy" abuses. What do we want? Sack Ross! When do we want it? Now!
Tom, London,
Oh for God (any denomination)'s sake. Starving children, Pirates and a child tortured to death while social services took no action and we're worried because someone was rude about a man's grandaughter.
James, Glasgow,
The real issue is about presenters who use their own companies and staff to make programmes without the normal scrutiny of BBC producers, and then only answering to the higher levels within the BBC. That's what's gone wrong and has implications beyond just the transmission of foul language.
Barrie Redfern, Zdole, Slovenia
Sack Ross and close down the BBC - they are all as bad as each other, for all sorts of reasons..........
Marty, London,
You won't sort out the BBC until you replace the toothless BBC Trust, which is supposed to represent the interests of the audience, and impose fresh terms of reference. Several of its members have worked for the BBC. One is married to a BBC journalist. Another chairs the BBC pension fund. Very cosy!
Geoffrey Negus, Soliuhull, UK
How can there be BBC editorial control when programmes are made by the presenters' own companies - only answerable to the highest levels of the organisation...such as the head of radio who isn't even a broadcaster but former vice president of marketing at PepsiCo Europe!
Barrie Redfern, Zdole, Slovenia
Jonathan Ross cannot sing, dance, do impersonations, tell funny stories, juggle or even ride a one wheeled bicycle. What talent does he possess? Apart from showing off of course.
Barry Smith, Colomby, France
Jonathan Ross is not at the cutting edge of broadcasting as he once was - in fact with his constant references to playing tennis with David Walliams & Jimmy Carr , he has turned into the 2008 equivalent of Tarbuck, Monkhouse and Forsyth golfing circle. He is boring, not worth £6m, get rid of him.
Jules, Truro,
Sir Michael seems intent on damaging the BBC further.
Sanctions have been taken, good people have resigned. Now move forward. No one is ever better than the BBC for kicking itself when it's down.
Simon, London,
Ross should have been sacked at once no questions asked.
Perhaps he should have followed Brand to the states?
colin west, La Romana, Spain
Gaenor, that is not what he means by Worldwide. He means the commercial arm of the BBC the profits from which are pumped back into the organisation. It deals mainly with magazines and DVD/CD distribution
Tommy, London,
The BBC is an expensive rudderless ship with no reason for the captain to avoid icebergs because he doesn't have to answer to anyone, be it advertisers, the public or even parliament. It's a big soggy mess.
David, St Albans, UK
The BBC mustn't sack Wossie. That would turn a disrespectful twerp into a martyr.
RJK, Arundel, West Sussex
Oh, get it over then...................
Shirley Bowen, Blackpool, UK
Why the delay? The circumstances seem pretty clear and the main culprit (Ross) seems to be the only one not in the firing line. He should have been sacked straight away. Will we see him back on the screen joking about how he got away with the devastation he has caused to others?
J Williamson, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Abolish the TV Tax and save us from these shallow egotists.
Rob, Kidsgrove, England
Only insomniacs know this, but BBC worldwide is a much higher quality news channel than the news broadcast during the day on mainstream tv and radio. Because it has a world wide audience it does not indulge in sensationalist news or trivia about celebrities. It is serious and thoughtful
Gaenor Deacon, Eccleston, UK
Sir Michael - an overpaid egoist, promoted to a level where he believes he is above criticism. I don't accept his arguements and I dislike the way he refuses to accept he made a mistake and that he deliberately delayed doing anything to give the crisis a chance to go away - Not fit for the job.
Richard Brady, Kiev, Ukraine