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The Pentagon wants Britain to use troops withdrawn from Iraq to reinforce Nato’s mission in Afghanistan, despite strong misgivings in the Ministry of Defence.
Speaking before a meeting of defence ministers representing the eight countries fighting in southern Afghanistan, Geoff Morrell, the Pentagon press secretary, said America was sending thousands more troops and expected other allies to do the same.
The MoD has said that the present 8,100-strong force in southern Afghanistan is the ceiling as far as Britain is concerned, but defence officials acknowledged for the first time yesterday that this limit might be breached in due course, and that an increase in numbers had not been ruled out.
A presidential review of the US-led mission in Afghanistan, completed this week, is expected to call for more troops to be sent to the country. Barack Obama, the President-elect, has promised to make the war there a priority of his administration and plans a “surge” of forces.
The Pentagon intends to send between 15,000 and 20,000 more troops to augment the 33,000 there.
Britain insists that it is already “stretched” with the troops it has in the volatile Helmand province. The Pentagon pointed out, however, that the reduction of some 4,000 British soldiers in Iraq could free additional forces for the Afghan campaign.
“As Britain scales down in Iraq, hopefully they will be able to contribute more troops to Afghanistan,” Mr Morrell told The Times.
The issue was being raised at Cornwallis, near the Canadian town of Halifax, where ministers from Britain, America, Australia, Canada, Denmark, Estonia, the Netherlands and Romania – all with troops serving in Nato’s Regional Command South - began discussions yesterday on recapturing the initiative from the Taleban in southern Afghanistan.
Mr Morrell said that new tactics under discussion included fighting the counter-insurgency war regionally rather than provincially. This could change the way that British Forces, who are largely confined to Helmand, will operate in the future.
John Hutton, the Defence Secretary, is expected to make clear that there is no plan at this stage to transfer troops from Iraq to Afghanistan. Air Chief Marshal Sir Jock Stirrup, the Chief of the Defence Staff and the Government’s top military adviser, has already stipulated that there must be no “one-for-one” switch in troops to Helmand once the 4,100-strong presence in Iraq is cut back next May.
Defence sources, however, said that Sir Jock was indicating that there was no question of transferring all 4,000 from Iraq to Afghanistan, but with Britain committed long-term to Afghanistan, it would not be possible to maintain 8,100 troops as a ceiling for ever.
Provincial elections in Iraq on January 31 are crucial to the timing of British troop withdrawal from the region.
Major-General Andy Salmon, the UK Commander in Basra, said that if the Iraqi 14th Division, which controls Basra, managed the elections well, “we will be in a position after that to say that we are pretty much there”. He told The Daily Telegraph: “If the election goes well then our job is heading towards being done.”
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Losing? Although there is always the possibility of that if the FCO / DfID don't enable good governance, we are not losing yet. 77 % of incidents occur in only 10% of the country.... Not as bleak as the press would have us believe.
Ian , London,
Afghanistan is lost we can not win.Russia tried with over 400.000 and still lost we have less than 75.000 NATO troops .Bring the Boys Home Its Lost we are never going to win ,the only thing we will see is more UK troops coming home in body bags.but i suppose the goverment has got to save face
andrew, brighton, uk
The UK should been sending in at least 20,000 troops and support personnal. The UK created these nations and needs to help with the mess they created 100 years ago. The US didn't rule India or Iraq the UK did and left a mess. They should take on a bigger role the US has lost 36,000 troops
Jahmaal, New Hampshire, USA
US was not pulling you into Afgan and Iraq - you was glad to lend them your halping hand in a time they don`t realy need it. And now you`r want to show them your back when situation becomes grim (and leave a real mess on our borders, wich is not funny).
Save as God of such an Allies.
Peter, Vladivostok, Russia
As a member of the UK forces, I find the comments from Brian of Syracuse ill informed and essentially dangerous US Neocon thinking. Britain is one of the few friends that the US has left within Europe and has stood toe to toe with them on the front line all the way. p.s have u ever visited Europe?
Dave, Plymouth, UK
Why do British forces always get the dirty end of the stick?
The Helmand province is by far the most dangerous and deadly operational area in this theatre of war. It's time for us to come home, we've shed enough blood and bankrupted the nation - whilst others look on!
Trevor Dee, Torbay, UK
Brits are much too tired from watching the Shia and Iranians mug the citizens of Basra. Cheerio ...carry-on.
Johnny, Philadephia, USA
If NATO forces withdraw from Iraq or Afghanistan in ignominy, it will be a disaster for the democratic world in the long term. The Moslem fanatics will hail this as a victory and prove to them that their God favours their fundamentalism. The war will follow us to our homes and our blood will flow.
Gordon Holmes, Birmingham, GB
I'm sure the US wants our troops. What for though, the war is pointless?
We should politely refuse and bring the troops home.
C Smith, Liverpool, UK
Uk should pull out of both "wars" and leave the US to deal with it, its their mess.
Gary, Sussex, UK
If germany and other european countries do not wish to have their troops engaged at the raw end of afghanistan fighting then OK then both America and Britain should move all their military resources from europe and let those european countries be responsible for their own defence.
will marshall, Carlisle, UK
Brian of Syracuse should direct his criticism against other members of NATO who are contributing less to the allied efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan. Yes, I know, criticism of the U.K. is popular in the States.
laurie, tunbridge wells,
I have served in both Iraq and Afghanistan with the British Army, we are considerably smaller than US forces and simply cannot sustain both. To suggest that we are not fullfilling our NATO commitments is churlish and wildly uneducated. We have lost proportionally more troops in Afghanistan than any.
Mike, Oxford, UK
This is no phantom war. Ignoring it as clinton did worsened it.Its being faught far from home because of these actions. the west is now encircling the last remaining military of AQ but because its an ideology there will never be a victory/surrender and outbursts of violence will sprout out randomly.
craig, brisbane , Australia
Phantom wars? I could have sworn that it was Al Queda, supported by the Taliban that was responsible for our 9/11 and AQ that was also responsible for your 7/11. If you don't want to protect yourselves or support your defense treaty obligations then drop out of NATO.
Brian, syracuse, US
Out of the frying pan into the fire.
Whose kitchen is it anyway?
B. Arnold, Boston, UK
Sorry USA we don't have any money left to fight your never ending phantom wars.
Gavin, London, GB