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The Archbishop of Canterbury found himself embroiled in an unseemly war of words with the Prime Minister today after questioning the morality of Gordon Brown's fiscal stimulus package and likening it to an "addict returning to the drug".
Dr Rowan Williams made the comments in an outspoken pre-Christmas interview with the BBC in which he portrayed the credit crunch as a welcome “reality check” for a society that had become driven by unsustainable greed.
Mr Brown's response was prompt, direct and unexpectedly biblical. Borrowing from the New Testament parable of the Good Samaritan, he told reporters that his Government could not simply "walk by on the other side when people are facing problems".
The battle for the moral high ground commenced when Dr Williams complained on Radio 4's Today programme that the country had been “going in the wrong direction” for decades by relying on financial speculation to generate wealth rather than “making things”. The downturn might, he hoped, force people to rediscover the virtue of patience.
And although the archbishop admitted that it would be "suicidally silly" for a prelate to give advice to economists, he dismissed the suggestion that Britain should try to spend its way out of recession. "I hope that people would understand that spending itself is about need before it is about saving the economy," he said.
Asked whether that meant the global financial crisis wracking the economy had been beneficial, Dr Williams replied: “It is a sort of a reality check, isn’t it – which is always good for us. A reminder that what I think some people have called fairy gold is just that – that sooner or later you have to ask: ’What are we making or what are we assembling or accumulating wealth for?’.”
The Opposition was quick to seize on the comments. “The archbishop is raising the very important moral question of whether it can be right for Gordon Brown to saddle future generations with huge debts," said George Osborne, the Shadow Chancellor.
Speaking at Downing Street after a meeting with his Czech counterpart, the Prime Minister gave no quarter.
“My father was a church minister so I always listen very carefully to what the Archbishop of Canterbury and other members of the clergy say," he said.
“I support what he says about a strong civil society and the need for responsibility and the need to act against irresponsible behaviour when it appears in the banking and financial systems as it has in recent times.
“But I think the Archbishop would also agree with me that every time someone becomes unemployed or loses their home or a small business fails it is our duty to act and we should not walk by on the other side when people are facing problems.
“That’s the reason why our fiscal policy is designed to give real help to families and businesses and to give them that help now.”
The archbishop's attack is not the first Mr Brown has faced from an unexpected quarter, nor indeed the most fierce. Last week, the German finance minister, Peer Steinbrück, dismissed his economic rescue plan and VAT cut as "crass Keynesianism".
In this morning's interview, Dr Williams said that he hoped the downturn would lead people to reflect more on how you develop a volunteer culture and a "more active, more vital civil society" - on which the Government could help give a lead.
Questioned on whether increased spending was the right way to tackle the downturn, the archbishop said: “It seems a little bit like the addict returning to the drug. When the Bible uses the word ’repentance’, it doesn’t just mean beating your breast, it means getting a new perspective, and that is perhaps what we are shrinking away from.”
He added: “It is about what is sustainable in the long term, and if this is going to drive us back into the same spin, I do not think that is going to help us.”
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There are lots of tiresome comments about getting back into manufacturing. Pulling out of service industries just leaves a hole for another nation to fill. Those service business are there because other companies need them. How would having an abundance of products help? We can't compete with China!
R Wilson, Salisbury, UK
The Biblical Good Samaritan who did not 'walk by on the other side' would have earned less credit if he were, as here, an accomplice of the thieves who had mugged the unfortunate and stolen his job and home.
Noel Falconer, COUIZA, France
Brown the "Good samaritan" and Bliar "John The Baptist"
WHICH ONE IS JUDAS??
Tony, derby, UK
Gordon Brown sold off British gold when the price was at its lowest for years and now we are going to get deflation and rapidly with time inflation.
Nice one Gordon.
The country cannot spend money it ain't got.
Dave Smith, geneva, Switzerland
The Archbishop (just for a change talking some sense), has pointed out that the Emperor is wearing no clothes!
David Moon, Seaford, Sussex
Surely, the facts are that at present the "economic stimulus" is not working, inspite of this intervention having cost the UK mega millions of pounds in loss of credability, this being reflected in the demise of Sterling in world markets. Smart thinking would now raise base rates; too much to ask?
BobDee, Reaup, France
So Brown is now bidding to be a Great Moral Leader as well as Great World Leader. I think that the Archbishop wins this argument. Brown should be disestablished before he can do any more damage.
DavidK, London, UK
Give and ye shall receive,there is more pleasure in giving,STOP TAXING,and LENDING,DEBT is abhorent.It is a one way street to NEWGATES KNOCKER !
Derek Bevan, Huntingdon, England
The Good Samaritan used his own money.........
Avana Beach, London, UK
Britain needs to start making things that the world wants and needs- not selling insurance and performing trivial services, like hairdressing and advertising, but generating real quality wealth
Peter c, Devizes, Wessex
How is it Mr Brown's, fault that the banks and businesses are going down, thats the fault of the greedy people who are in charge of them, the Archbishop needs to worry about getting people in to his empty churches before he start's running the country.
Griffiths, Telford , Shropshire
Never knew the Samaritan parable was about offering to help someone in distress, but with someone else's money. Thought it was self sacrifice to help others but Calamity Brown only recognises the virtue of spending others to make himself appear good.
Pete, Birmingham, England
I think they deserve each other - somewhere else please.
Steve, Cambridge,
So, we can therefore shortly expect the Archbishop to resign HIS post, sell off all HE has and give everything to the poor to help them in these times? No? Silly me. I actually thought that he believed in what he was saying! Aren't position and privilege wonderful - and so difficult to relinquish
Komata, Cambridge, New Zealand
This is the first sensible thing I remember the Archbishop saying. Let''s hope it becomes a habit. As for Gordon & the parable of the Samaritan: not walking by & borrowing billions to waste on a pointless VAT cut are completely different.Esp. when HIS debt will have to be paid back by the next gen.
Donna Walker, Effingham, England
Christ was a carpenter (he manufactured goods) and railed against the money lenders. Brown should read his bible more.
John Dunn, Glasgow, Scotland
Unfortunately our Dear Leader while thile thinking he's coming to our aid, is leading us all, & our children's generation off the edge of a cliff - to an age of debt & poverty.
First the Germans tells us he's got it wrong, & now the Archbishop. Maybe it'll be the ghost of Christmas past next!
John, Disley, UK
john, oxford, england
Absolute brilliant.....
shane, kirkby stephan, england
LOL who cares what these Christians say? why does it get reported? They believe in fairy tales - they are not equipped to make comments like this.
Joe, Manchester,
Thanks Jonno : my pleasure !!!
john, oxford, england
I suppose that it is unreasonable to expect the Archbishop to resign HIS position, sell off (give away?) HIS assetts and give the proceeds to the needy? It is? Of course - silly me - I actually thought he believed in what he was advocating! Aren't privilege and position wonderful things?
Komata, Cambridge, New Zealand
I listened to the Arcbishop's interview on the today programme and thought he was absolutely right. All Brown cares about is political power.
Nick, Norwich, UK
Archbishops should be listened to especially this one.The PM was never going to agree.The Good Samaritan parable can be quoted every time nearly on every issue- not creative at all. Creativity belongs to Wiliams on this.Most think he is right.E.g. think Madoff.
Roy J Thomas, Cardiff, UK
The Archbishop is right. Consumerism is the drug and government is the pusher. And despite Gordon's protestations, the side effects are still the same: destruction of the environment and an economic cycle that guarantees recession.
Jonathan, Oxfordshire, England
John of Oxford wrote:
"This man clearly knows nothing at all about economics and should leave such things to people who understand them. How he ever got to be Prime Minister is beyond me".
Thank you for making my evening!
Jonno, London,
Well put, John: I don't think Brown knows much theology either.
The image of New Labour as the Good Samaritan is about as unconvincing as Blair cast in the role of John the Baptist.
Robert, Hull, UK
Wales 1 Scotland 0 (Brown sent off for being offside)
Roger Slade, winchester,
The Archbishop is correct. Mr Brown has been ill advised with the method of recovery, benifitting the banks only. The banks not only bailed out , but threatening repossessions to further increase their greed. The law....forget the common man.
harry, boston,
I'm with Philip, Dave of Rugby, and Tom on this - what are Archbishops actually for? I find Dr Williams' (and all other religious leaders') pre-medieval pronouncements on modern and complex matters to be, at best, irritating and simplistic, and at worst, actively unhelpful.
Jeff, Reading, UK
God save us from troublesome Prime Ministers
Stephen Green, Correns, France
Brown's policy is simply based on borrowing from Peter to pay Paul, even though he knows that Paul works at a casino.
Nick, London,
May the Lord preserve the meddlesome priest!
Jeremy, London, England
The Archbishop is spot on.
Individuals and companies are suffering under record debt levels.
The idea that the Government will 'fix' the problem by spending more is quite simply stupid !!
At the end you will have individuals, companies and the Gov't all suffering under debt.
alan smith, london,
It seems a sad state of affairs where you can be slapped down for speaking sense. Brown may have won a victory of rhetoric, but it's the rest of us who pay.
Brown's policy should be to generate industries not spend our inheritance.
Duncan, Wokingham,
Its time for this country to have a reality check and STOP spending on credit. The recent fiscal injection is just creating more and more debt that we will be paying off for years to come. I agree with John from Motherwell, the government needs to invest in the infrastructure of the country
Peregrine Parks, Chesterfield, UK
Williams will face his own 'reality cheque' when the financial assets of the CofE crumble to dust.
mark hood, london, uk
well said archbishop. How can Brown say it is ''helping' people when he trades short term popularity for an election in return of a long-term debt?
A drug addict needs to be drag out of it despite the initial pain, rather than being given more drugs and everyally die.
Chris, Cambridge,
This man clearly knows nothing at all about economics and should leave such things to people who understand them. How he ever got to be Prime Minister is beyond me.
john, oxford, england
The Archbishop makes valid points. The type of spending the Government is trying to stimulate is in the same sectors of personal greed that got us into this bother in the first place. It's time to ditch dogma and regenarate the economy by worthwile public sector spending on hospitals, schools etc,,
john, motherwell,
Archbishop should stay out of politics and financial issues. He has nothing to do with these issues, and i for one do not have any faith in him or his knowledge on the subject.
philip, leeds, uk
Its taken a long time, many years in fact, but finally the achbishop has said something correct and useful.
It astounds me that Brown has created this mess, making it worse still and is now trying to preach to the world to follow his scorched earth policy
Heeners, Bath,
The poor victim of a vicious assault laying at the side of the road is, I believe, Brown's old friend, prudence
Betrayed and abandoned, she watches as he walks by on the other side of the road, hurrying to the money lender to conceal his inability to solve the financial problems he helped to create
R Bingham, Lauzun, France
At last - some words of wisdom from the Archbishop.
Prime Minister Brown misses the point of the Parable entirely - clearly he did not listen to his father too well and only listens to the clergy when they agree with him.
Arnold, Eltham, England
God preserve us from troublesome priests.
Dave, Rugby, Warwickshire
"What are we making or what are we assembling or accumulating wealth for?. That is a question that begs to be asked of Mr Cameron and Mr Osborne, as well as the other very numerous recession-proof millionaires in the Tory party.
Dave, Cambridge, UK
Nice response Prime Minister.
Tom, London,
The Archbishop is 100% correct in his opinions not only of the Dear Leader, but of the state he has gotten the country into.
Andrew Brady, Portsmouth, United Kingdom
The Archbishop of Canterbury (just this once) is absolutely spot on.
James, London, England
true one should not walk by - but then far better to have not created the crisis in the first place which
PM Brown has done with his spend and borrow policy.
Many more will fall by the wayside and we will witness their abandonment!
mike, gloucester, uk
The Man protests too much! .... Spinning again Mr Brown seems to forget that it was his finacial medlings that got us into this mess to start with. Well done Archbishop!
Bruce Walles, Liverpool, UK