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DEACTIVATED guns that can be converted to fire live ammunition are being sold on the internet for as little as £200 each.
Despite a government crackdown on the sale of guns, there is still a widespread trade in deactivated weapons, which criminals are known to convert into working firearms. Gun campaigners last week called for the sale of the guns to be banned.
Weapons being offered for sale last week on British-based websites - such as www.deactivated-guns.co.uk and www.worldwidearms.com - included a deactivated Bulgarian AK-47 for £200, a Smith & Wesson snub-nose revolver for £350, an RPK light machinegun for £395 and a Beretta handgun for £495. The trade in these guns is legal and no licence or checks are required to purchase the weapons.
Some of the guns offered for sale were deactivated before 1995, when the rules on converting the weapons into collectors’ items were less strict. These guns often have more moving parts intact and are easier to reactivate.
Some buyers insist the guns must have been be deactivated to the pre-1995 standards. One buyer on a website last week stated he was seeking a “deactivated Uzi pre 1995”, preferably supplied with a silencer.
“It’s a matter of grave concern that these guns are so readily available,” said Gill Marshall-Andrews, chairwoman of the Gun Control Network. “These guns should be treated as the real thing and people should be stopped from buying and selling AK47s and other weapons - deactivated or not.”
The shooting of Rhys Jones, 11, in Liverpool 10 days ago has again raised concerns over the supply of weapons in the UK. As a large port, Liverpool is an entry route for gun smuggling but gangs also routinely use weapons converted to fire live ammunition.
Gun enthusiasts argue reactivating guns is too costly and complicated an option for most criminals, but the Association of Chief Police Officers has long been concerned about the trade. One senior officer said: “The easiest method of obtaining a sub-machinegun is to legally purchase one deactivated to pre1995 standards and then reactivate it.”
One of the biggest suppliers of deactivated weapons for conversion was a father-and-son team, William and Mitchell Greenwood, from Little Eaton, Derbyshire, who were convicted in 2004 of supplying criminals with thousands of deactivated weapons and tools to enable them to fire live rounds.
Those involved in the legitimate gun trade say they have been unfairly penalised by the crackdown and claim the laws are open to misinterpretation. The confusion was exposed by the case of Mick Shepherd, a Kent gun dealer who was arrested last year.
When Shepherd’s home was raided by the Metropolitan police his cache of 900 guns was described as “the biggest weapons haul in the force’s history”. There was one snag for the police: the guns Shepherd had at his home - and weapons he had sold to undercover officers - were all legal and Shepherd was acquitted at the Old Bailey in June.
“I was having to explain the laws to them,” he said last week. “I had all the correct licences for the weapons that I kept at my home and the ones I had sold were all antique. It’s not illegal to sell those.”
Steve Littlejohn, who runs the site www.deactivated-guns.co.uk, said most of his customers were collectors but he refused to sell to anyone he considered suspect. He said it was cheaper for criminals to buy arms on the black market than to reactivate guns.
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why buy a deac snub nose revolver for £350 when you can buy guns in some pubs such as a glock 17 or browning m1935 for as little as £200. doesent that make spending a lot on a deac and then converting it seem realistic? anyway the barrls are plugged take the plug out try to fire and you blow the gun
stephen, birmingham,
Souds like another government knee jerk reaction to me
Michael Barden, Sheffield, UK
I completley agree with previous coments, this is typical press scaremongering ! but i suppose certain members of the press and government won,t be happy untill spud guns are banned and we have to buy our meat pre sliced as only qualified chefs will be able to own a carving knife !
john green, chesterfield, uk
A deactivated gun can no way shape or form be reactivated it is impossible pre 1995 or after evan from way back in the 60s. I read an arcticle about a shooting that apparently you can simply reactivate a gun in under four minutes is a complete and uter lie some whoman from "mothers against guns" (what a name) said that with a clamp and a drill you can reactivate a deactivated gun. But the only possible way to get a live and working gun is to illegally smuggle one in from france or other countrys from Europe or move to Canada were they have the most amount of guns in the world and the littlist gun crime. I have a deactivated Moisin Nagant Rifle and if i drilled out the rod and cut out the bar and get a new firing pin and attempted to discharge a round the bolt would blow up and come flying back out and rip half my face off.
So no you can't reactivate a deactivated gun. and mine was deactivated in 1989!
Will Brennan, Tilehurst, Reading, West Berkshire, England
I have asked many police officers if they have ever seen a reactivated weapon, most of them laugh and say no not even during training! This is because it is really complicated to reactivate a weapon and bloody costly because there are not that many corrupt engineers and metal smiths. The fact is criminals wonât pay £500 for a deactivated weapon and several hundred more reactivating it when they can get a smuggled pistol in from Eastern Europe for £250 brought in by illegal immigrants. I hold both a shotgun and FAC licence and know that the government has yet to bring in a law that is focused on criminals, They are certain that licensed law abiding firearms users are the ones that need regulating. The government should spend more time trying to gain control of its borders, stopping illegal immigrant smugglers instead of bringing another useless law.
Miles Overton, east molesey, surrey
deactivated guns are not the problem, the police know that, the guns sold by the Greenwoods were deactivated to the bare minimum standards then re-engineered and sold with new replacement parts only available to people in the gun trade, the sales were specifically only to criminals by order and the Greenwoods were criminals and arms suppliers to the criminal underworld just the same as anyone who smuggles weapons or drugs so they got everything the deserved. As a shooter and collector of deactivated weapons, i and all of my fellow sportsmen utterly detest these people as we do all criminals but we detest the government and police even more for peddling the constant lie that all deactivated weapons are the sole supply for illegal weapons, they have lost control of our borders and that is where the guns come from, they are cheaper and better, think about it !
Stuart Cooper, Solihull,
There are now so many illicit & illegal weapons available on the streets of numerous English suburbs and cities.
These range from double barrelled 3 to 4 inch key fobs, with two easily accessable trigger buttons, to 9mm top of the line handguns.
Yet still our police mainly only wear stab proof vests?
I am in the process of purchasing and bringing back a lightweight protective 9mm Police vest from Los Angeles P.D. this month. This vest is both stabproof and protects against modern guns.
The drug market is so lucrative now, that many in the business are carrying high velocity weapons. This is 2007 folks...If we fail to prepare ...we prepare to fail!
Pat van der Veer , Wallasey ,Merseyside, England