Philip Webster, Political Editor
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Anyone caught carrying a blade will be prosecuted and will not be allowed to escape with a caution under a crackdown on knife crime promised by Gordon Brown.
Police must prosecute those of any age who are found in possession of a blade in areas where knife crime is high. London, Liverpool, Birmingham and Greater Manchester are among the 12 priority areas.
Mr Brown is bringing forward a Violent Crime Action Plan which will be announced by Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, early next month.
The Government may also introduce an outright ban on some hunting knives.
In an interview with The Sun today, Mr Brown says: “You cannot be casual or cool about knives. Society cannot cope with people carrying guns and knives and threatening to use them.
“There are boundaries you cannot cross and one is this country’s zero tolerance on knives. It is neither cool nor does it make you safer to carry a knife. We must ease people’s fears. They deserve freedom from fear about their safety on the streets.”
Faridon Alizada, 18, from Bexley, southeast London; Bradley Whitfield, 16; and Nassirudeen Osawe, 17, were all murdered recently in stabbings.
Mr Brown wants the 12 worst-hit areas to receive a zero-tolerance message. In the interview he says: “It is completely unacceptable to carry a knife or a gun. We are to step up action. Where the police have previously been cautioning people there now has to be a presumption of prosecution. We will charge, not caution.”
The Prime Minister also expresses concern at computer games that show characters surviving being stabbed, but he cannot ban them. “I am very worried about video and computer games,” he says. “The industry has some responsibility to society and needs to exercise that responsibility.”
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Mr Anonymous from Guildford shows his ignorance of the USA - As a Brit living in the US for several years he does not have a clue. School and mall shootings take place in schools and malls because it is illegal to carry a gun there. The law abiding gun carrier leaves it at home or in his car. Strange that? Most murders are with knives but it is illegal to carry a knife with more than a 3" blade without good reason e.g. hunting. If laws worked there would be no criiminals.
Patrick Duffy, Cheyenne, USA
The Government needs to accept the idea that banning items does not change crime rates. It is already illegal to carry most types of knife without good reason and it is definately against the law to carry any kind of item (knife, keys, pen, bottle opener etc etc.) with the intent of using it in defense.
Those who are using knives against others are already breaking the law - they aren't particularly fussed whether or not the item they are using is on the prohibited weapons list.
We have some of the strictest weapons laws in the world and they are getting sticter by the year. Yet violent crime does not fall with these introduced laws.
I will re-emphasise my opening comment - the Government needs to realise that banning items absolutely does not work.
Get rid of the gangs and their violent ideals. Then the rest of us can go about our normal lives without worrying about laws that we never had any intention of breaking in the first place.
Michael, Kent, England
In response to Raoul from Lincs, Id like to remind him that because HE may not have a need for a knife day-to-day doesnt mean others dont.
I can and do legally carry a folding pocket knife with me at most times. Unsurprisingly, I use this for mundane tasks such as opening the post, cutting up an apple for lunch, cutting sellotape or trimming loose thread from a shirt button.
I could use a pair of scissors, or my teeth to do most of those things, but im not inclined to and I cant guarantee scissors will be to hand, so my legally carried knife is used for the legitimate purpose it was carried.
In regards to the actual 'news story', people seem to forget that the actual intention of Mr Browns comments may be differnt from the way they have been reported and subsequently interpreted.
To those who seem to care, if you want to get in a flap please do so, but maybe write to your local MP as well and your voice may actually be heard.
Rgds
Simon, Stevenage,
I use a knife at work most days.
I am a service technician working all over the southern U.K. It simply isn't possible for me to NOT have a knife of some sort with me (be it in my pocket, or in my toolbox). In fact, I usually will have upwards of 3 knives with me, i.e. on my person & in my vehicle as the different types get used for different purposes. The pocket knife is the most useful, as it's always to hand & does not seem to worry people like Raoul from Lincolnshire much. While the part serrated knife on my multitool often does as people misperceive the serrations as aggressive.
For this reason I carry a pocket knife even when I am also carrying a multitool.
So Raoul, your theory that no-one needs to have a knife 'in thier possesion' at any time outside of thier kitchen is totally flawed.
I am a law abiding citizen, and never been in trouble with the police. But nowadays I feel like I am seen as a criminal although I've done nothing wrong.
So tell me, how is THAT right?
Matt, London,
Some of these comments are just laughable. There is no reason on earth why anyone, anywhere, on any street, or in any community should be carrying a knife........ full stop! It implies a threat, either in an attack or defence, by always taking the danger level a step higher. Nanny State?? Common sense gentlemen , get a grip. Let's make our streets safer and get these knives of our streets. If you carry a knife, and the police find you carrying one you should be charged..... about time!
Raoul, Lincolnshire,
Yet again we are becoming ever more the nanny state, telling our inhabitants what to and what not to do, l myself carry a victorinox penknife regularly whilst out and about and find no reason why l shouldent. Normally said penknife is used several times a day from opening packaging (blister packing is lethal to your hands otherwise!) to cutting food, l would never acctually think of using my penknife as a weapon (which l proved the other week when my mate got jumped) as always its a matter of a few abusers ruining it for the law abiding majority.
wabert, glasgow,
Are the police going to prosecute greencrocers, chefs and odd job men as well as gang members?
Surely it is the appropriateness of the carrying which is at issue -not the knife per se.
Peter Fallows, London
Peter Fallows, London,
I do not advocate using a knife in self defence, full stop.
I do however take issue with the mindset of a Government that feels it must ban everything.
There are already existing laws governing the carry of certain types of knives. Why can't we just enforce the laws we already have?
The government must have money to burn and once again law abiding citizens will be forced to pay the price.
S.F
Yorkshire
Shaun, Furlong, South Yorkshire
The pro firearms post below is quite frankly the most ridiculous and flawed argument I have heard in a long time. Gun crime is a huge issue in the USA, school shootings are probably the most obvious example of why easy access to firearms is not as glorious as you describe it to be.
I agree that it is important for common sense to be used by the police, for instance in the example given below regarding the American Eagle Scout, of course he should not be prosecuted. However we have to accept that knife crimes are a growing problem in many areas and too many young people feel they can get away with possessing knifes with intent to use them, can we really argue that it is a bad thing for our Prime Minister to send out a message to violent crime and the use of knifes will not be tolerated?
None, Guildford, England
Another knee-jerk reaction from a failed government. I carry a small folding penknife in my wallet to use for cutting string, etc and have done so for 30 years or more. The blade is less than 2 inches long. Does this qualify as a a "blade"? What is the legal specification of a blade? I seem to remember that an illegal knife was five or more inches long, and under that it was OK to carry, usually as a folding pen knife. What about mechanics etc who have one as part of their tool kits?
If the existing laws were rigorously enforced by a police-force that was not mainly desk-bound writing reports so that Labour can fudge the figures to show their systems work (?), crime would be accordingly reduced. But beware because vigilantes may appear soon if ordinary folks are scared to go out.
B J Deller, Marbella, Spain
Prosecuted under what legislation?
Under Section 139 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 I am entitled to carry a folding pocket knife with a blade of less than 3" (7.62cm) without having to show any reason for doing so.
Bri, London, UK
Once again we have Brown playing Police Chief, Crown Prosecutor, Lord Chief Justice and Secretary of State for anything-you-can-think-of-but-you-thought-someone-else-was-already-being-paid-to-be.
Yet more political halitosis and grandstanding, which will have no practical outcome beyond another raft of regulations and a few more paperpushers pretending to "enforce" them.
Gordon Alexander, Frome, UK
Knife crime is so bad in Scotland that it doesn't even make the news and our government are focussed on banning air rifles... muppets.
Graeme, Edinburgh,
Slightly silly to ban all knives - a blanket ban will stopp people from legally buying kitchen knives and carrying them home! Or people like myself who carry a swiss army knife - not to threaten or harm anyone, but because the attachements aer useful! Instead of a bn on carrying, why not look at the causes of the problem - why is criminal behaviour on the rise? What are the underlying causes that are making these people so miserable or confused that they feel the need to (or do not understand the problem with) stabbing and attacking people? But as always, the British govenment deals with symptoms, not diseases, because it is easier.
Marianne, London, London
What on earth have hunting knives got to do with it ? Your average thug on the street with a knife will have his mums kitchen knife in his pocket. Should we ban them too ?
The way to deal with it is to enforce the existing laws, something no politician has ever suceeded in doing because it costs real money, and doesn't get instant media coverage.
Remeber criminals don't obey laws. Bringing out new ones makes no difference to them, it only affects the majority law abiding !
M Hill, Wigan, UK
And the penalties?
John Punshon, Milton Keynes, UK
How will this Zero-tolerance thing actually help anything, with cheap "kitchen knives" being sold in £1 shops across the country, these are basically disposable weapons.
UK knife law is already extremely Strict this is the government going in ham fisted again, lets ban everything with out thinking... how can HUNTING knife be defined, what about skinners, bowies, etc all have legitimate uses?
skip, London,
Brown is totally wrong here. We should have the right to defend ourselves, the right to bear arms (guns and knives), like in the USA. Currently, the criminals have weapons. This new legislation won't change this.
But the average law-abiding citizen can't do a thing to defend themselves.
On New Year's Eve, in the North of England, a guy was beaten to death after going out to look for his dog.
Yet in Florida, not long before, a guy was surrounded by four men, one of whom put a gun to his head. They asked him for money. Instead, he pulled out a gun (which he had a permit for) and fired on them, driving them off.
He came out without a scratch. Yet the defenceless guy in the UK is dead.
We need to be able to defend ourselves in Britain. I'm a true crime author and research crime on a daily basis. Because of this, I'm totally in favour of having the right to bear arms. We need more guns and knives; not less.
And, remember, it's alright for Gordon Brown; he's got bodyguards.
Jimmy Lee Shreeve, Norwich, UK
This law already exists, why doesn't Gordon Bean provide the police to enforce it?
Neil, Cheltenham, England
This is insane - as a serving officer so please excuse lack of full name - we recently attended an incident where security at tourist attraction had found a knife in a bag - the "knife carrier" was a American eagle scout, in the company of with his parents and grandparents, the knife in question being the folding blade on his eagle scout penknife. In future we will have to cuff Elmer (not his real name) in front of his parents and grandparents, and jail him for a substantial time?
Robbing police and courts of intelligent discretion for the sake of a headline is utterly destructive. We currently don't let bad hats 'get away with it', we have full powers to prosecute whenever we like. What we also have is the discretion not to in obviously inoffensive or accidental cases. Losing this is a disaster.
NB Anyone with a knife in their picnic basket is also going down - understood? Possession of salami and a crusty loaf will be no excuse...
"A Relief", Liverpool, UK