Fiona Hamilton, London Correspondent
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Boris Johnson’s first policy announcement, a pledge to ban alcohol on public transport, came under fierce criticism from unions yesterday and suffered a further setback when it emerged that the measure could not be implemented across the network.
The new Mayor of London said that the plan would improve safety and security on public transport in the capital, but concerns were raised that it would be almost impossible to enforce.
From June 1, passengers will be ordered off Tube trains and buses if they consume alcohol while on board. However, staff working for Transport for London and British Transport Police will not have the power to fine passengers, and officials admitted that there would not be regular patrols of carriages.
Instead, Mr Johnson will rely on a “cultural shift” and self-policing to bring a halt to drinking in the same way that passengers help to enforce the Tube’s no-smoking rules. He said that there would be a “rapid rollout” of another election promise, an extra 440 police community support officers, to help to enforce the plan. “Too many people have the unpleasant experience of sitting opposite someone swigging a can of lager,” Mr Johnson said. The ban will be brought into force by changing the conditions of carriage on London transport, but until it is enshrined in a bylaw, which the mayor said would take about a year, there is no punishment available to transport staff except for ejection.
Transport for London said that the measures applied to all public transport in the capital except on trains serving the national rail network. Peter Hendy, the Transport Commissioner, said that discussions had begun with the Department for Transport in the hope that the national rail network’s bylaws would be reviewed. However, a spokesperson for the department toldThe Times:“We have no plans to introduce these measures on the national network. Train companies already have powers to deal with any antisocial drinking on trains.”
The measure also drew criticism from transport unions, which said that it had not been thought through and that it could endanger staff who approached drunken passengers. Bob Crow, the RMT general secretary, said: “Violence against our members is already a major problem, particularly from people who have been drinking.
“Perhaps the mayor will come out with his underpants on over his trousers like Superman one Saturday to show us how it should be done, and maybe tell a crowd of Liverpool supporters that they can’t drink on the train.”
Tube workers told The Times that while the plan had merit, it would be difficult to enforce. One worker said: “It is a great idea if there was a chance you could carry it out, but I think it will be very difficult. How are we supposed to do it? We can’t search every bag.”
The mayor continued to reshape the Greater London Authority administration yesterday and appointed Brian Coleman, a Conservative member of the London Assembly, to chair the Fire and Emergency Planning Authority.
In a signal that a rivalry between Mr Johnson and David Cameron could be warming up, the Conservative leader warned the mayor that if he had his eye on Westminster after City Hall, he would have to wait his turn. He told The Spectator: “I am a big Boris fan. I have known him for a long time. I have always said to people: do not underestimate the brains and ambition of this guy. So when I’ve had a go, I’m sure there will be a queue of people looking to take over.”
While Mr Johnson’s tenure in London will be seen as a test run for the Conservatives, Mr Cameron said: “All Conservative councils and mayors are part of what people should expect from the Conservative party. But Boris is his own man, he is his own mayor and we are not going to agree on everything.”
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The people who cause problems on the tube arent the people who have a beer on their way home, whats wrong with that? The people who cause a problem are the drunk people.. who are already drunk before they even get on the train, eg. coming home from a night out. and you cant exactly ban them can you?
Connie, London, England
If people want to drink on the tube or bus they will simply pour their drinks into empty coke or water bottles and drink it from them. Easy.
Alternatively, you could have fun drinking orange juice out of beer cans or water out of vodka bottles and see how long it takes before the police give up..
Matt, London,
This is ridiculous. If it's not only possible, but demonstrated that it's possible to stop people smoking in all enclosed areas, why can't train unions stop people drinking on public transport?
I'ts not allowed in a number of international cities and perfectly easily implemented.
su, london, Uk
Of course its impossible. What if someone pours a bottle of beer into an empty coke can then drinks it on a train or bus? Are they going to check every single drink?
jayil, london, uk
I thought we had a police force to enforce the law, not the unions or their members. Relieve the police of all the form filling and paperwork and let them do the job the taxpayer expects from them. Enforce the law and if alcohol is banned on public transport then stop it! Have we now anarchy?
john keating, romsey, uk
Of course left wing unions say that a right wing Conservatives attempts to protect the public are unenforceable. So are laws to stop commuters killing other commuters, only the police under a Government supporting Chief Commissioner of the Met, can shoot a commuter without risk of prosecution.
David May, Dronfield,
I seem to remember that the unions made Britain unworkable until a change in the law on voting for strike action. They claimed that wouldn't work, but they were wrong. As for enforcement, the cameras are already in place aren't they? What use are they if they can't be used for this?
KR, Stockport,
Lets just ban crime. lol
jayil, london, uk
Recently a train stopped helplessly at London Bridge as one passenger was abusing others. She was unstable rather than drunk. No official would eject her from the train for fear of an assault charge and she refused to leave voluntarily. What powers will there be to eject drinking passengers?
Chris, London,
Why can't it work here, it works in all other countries where I have travelled on public transport, especially the States, the notices need to be in each carriage and bus along with that note that says you will be fined for not having a ticket, while your at it, ban smelly burgers and other hot food
Anne, East London, England
Do it! I find the rise in commuters drinking on the train home in the evening rather disturbing, and I like a drink myself. There's a time and a place for everything, and a 30min train journey home is not the time or the place for a couple of tins of Wife Beater.
Simes, Sevenoaks,
The union members want to do as little work as posible while demanding pay rises and threatening strile. Bob Crow and his cronies would like to dangle threats. They had a godfather , Red Ken who feted them as he was 'one of them'
Gary, LONDON,
If Bob Crow and his ilk are against the idea of banning drinking on public transport, I fear that they are on the wrong bus, (or bandwagon).
Peter, Brixham, Devon
It's basically the same question as enforcing any law that some people want to disobey. Get the police in there and make arrests. A while in prison will do wonders (if any room can be found).
Tom Welsh, Basingstoke,
i have never got violent or agressive with anyone because I have had a drink whilst on the tube. yet another bit of our freedom being taken away from the general public
mike, nottingham, england
All of the constructive comments made by Bob Crowe could presumably be made about smoking on public transport.
Bans on matters such as this do not work because there's someone standing around to enforce them every time, but as a result of public acceptance that such behaviour is 'not tolerated'.
C. Nugent, London, UK
So what the unions say it's unworkable? Get on with it anyway we all want alcohol banned on the tube and hang the unions.
Food should be banned as well. Watching people wipe their hands on the seats after eating has to rank with public displays of flesh as truly repellent.
Robin, London,
A great idea, it's all too often those who are drunk causing the problems - if need be why can't uniformed police use the rail to get around their patrols, at least that way the burden wouldn't fall solely upon the rail staff to deal with.
Adam Chidgey, Woking, England
He is abandoning his publicised measures before the end of the week? This is promising... LOL
Rui, Lisbon, TheBankruptCity
I agree with Mike. They need to extent this ban to food and drink. The savings on cleaning will be enormous and they can put this money into providing extra security staff
Richard, Effingham, UK
The RMT is not noted for making rational comment on issues that affect it so this is merely another daft statement in a long history of daft statements.
Violence against their members caused by drink but they don't want it banned!!!
doug, Manchester,
Rely on a "cultural shift" and action by ordinary folk in order to fulfil your election promises, and it won't be long before they realise they can do it without you anyway.
Much of broader Conservative policy also seems to rely on faint hope for a spontaneous change in people's behaviour.
Ian Kemmish, Biggleswade, UK
The unions will always disagree - its no longer their party running the show. Many parts of the UK are designated alcohol free, but public sector unions (for example) have not declared this a spurious policy. As an earlier correspondant has stated, the transport system is no smoking, and that works.
Ian, Ex London,
Wasn't it the Transport Union who funded Red Ken with quite a bit of their union funds! No wonder they are going to disagree with anything Boris says or does!
David, Nottingham, UK
Here in Athens no food or drink is allowed on the local Metro. Why cannot the same be implemented in London?
mike, Uk,
"Violence against our members is already a major problem, particularly from people who have been drinking"
Surely this is a major reason for the Union to support the ban and help find ways to implement this safely with Transport Police etc.
joe, Edinburgh, Scotland
Well, they managed it on our local transport system. No hot food either.
Tina, Dusseldorf, Germany
well they said that banning smoking was imposible 30 years ago but no one smokes on public transport now. give the idea a chance to catch on. it may take another 20 years but all change starts somewhere. Plus there are groups that WANT to see Boris fail because he is a tory.
Dr Kevin Law, Dundee, UK
Boris has got the idea, the answer to all crime is to ban it. That's fixed. Now on to to the next easy one.
Adrian, London,