Sean O'Neill, Crime and Security Editor
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Sean O’Neill Crime and Security Editor The plan to detain terror suspects for 42 days has become so convoluted and bureaucratic that police fear it will be almost unworkable, senior sources have told The Times.
Counter-terror officials have watched the unravelling of the pre-charge detention scheme — through concessions designed to win the support of Labour dissidents — with increasing alarm.
Having studied the 19 pages of proposed amendments tabled this week by Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, senior detectives are unclear about how they would operate in the heat of a fast-moving emergency. They are concerned about the level of operational detail that would have to be shared with backbench MPs and lawyers and the ability of Parliament to vote in effect to end a police investigation.
During the past days senior sources have scrutinised the Government’s revised plans, and have chosen to share their concerns with The Times. Their fears include:
— Worries about the status, identity and role of the independent lawyer who will advise the Home Secretary on whether there is a sufficiently grave threat to justify the use of the 42-day power;
— A lack of clarity in the workings of the tripartite system of a judge, the independent adviser and the Director of Public Prosecutions — who together must approve extra detention. What if one of the three consistently opposes extended detention? Sir Ken Macdonald, QC, the current DPP, is a public opponent of 42 days;
— Concern over disclosing details of an investigation when explaining the need for further detention to the chairmen of the home affairs, human rights and intelligence committees;
— Fears that “parliamentary scrutiny” means that MPs have won the power to bring a police inquiry to an end.
“We firmly believe that the time will come, in the not too distant future, when we will need more than the current 28-day limit,” a counter-terrorism source said. “But if the proposals are enacted in this form then it will present the police with a bureaucratic nightmare. They are not the sort of thing you want to be dealing with in the middle of an investigation. Some of what is being proposed is very worrying because it amounts to a blurring of the lines between politics and operational policing.”
Another anti-terrorism source said that the proposals had become increasingly convoluted, and the circumstances that could trigger them more constrained.
“We seem to have moved from the concept of needing more time because the cases are more complex and bigger in scale, to more time being justified by the gravity of the threat to the public. The ‘exceptional circumstances’ that will need to be in place seem to be an entirely different rationale from where we started, which was something like ‘terrorism is by definition serious, it’s getting more complicated to investigate and we need to have the best possible chance to bring people to justice’. As for the parliamentary bit — does anyone really understand that or how it will work?”
Publicly, Scotland Yard has been attempting to steer a cautious course through the 42-day debate.
Having lobbied MPs unsuccessfully in 2005 for the power to hold suspects without charge for 90 days senior Metropolitan Police officers did not want to open themselves up a second time to the charge of becoming involved in politics. Sources emphasised that Scotland Yard did not press the Prime Minister for the 42-day proposal. Instead, Gordon Brown is understood to have summoned senior officers after last year’s attempted car bombings in London and Glasgow and said that he would be putting forward the proposal.
Scotland Yard came under pressure from No 10 to endorse Mr Brown’s scheme but attempted to keep its distance from the Government.
Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, appeared before the Commons Home Affairs Select Committee in October and emphasised that it was for Parliament to set the detention limit beyond the current 28 days.
Assistant Commissioner Bob Quick, the head of Special Operations, briefed MPs last month.
The Association of Chief Police Officers has acted as the main police supporter of the proposal by the Government.
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The answer is simple. All we need is a military prison on an island which has no political alliance or contact with our own. Cuba would seem to be the natural choice.
We protect our 'rights'. Potential terrorists simply disappear, held without charge for years, rather than days! Everybody is happy!
Alex Davies, Manchester,
This is the same government that recently criminalised possession of "extreme porn" - which can include extracts from legal to own BBFC classified films! And they want to log everyone's internet use, too.
Do we want a police state?
If parliament aren't going to defend us...
Simon, Brentwood, UK
Joseph Stalin was a politician with power to incarcerate people without charge. So was Adolf Hitler. Robert Mugabe. Saddam Hussein.
Churchill didn't. Nor Kennedy. Nor Kissenger. Nor de Gaulle.
All those who did, preceded tht power with national id papaers too
See where I'm going with this?
W Smith, manchester,
Legislation made on the hoof is always bad legislation. We haven't yet been told of a single case where 42 day detention would have prevented a terrorist crime.
paul freeman, London, England
David Pannick Q.C. says that existing emergency powers are available to extend the period of detention. So why all the hype?
Rodney Barker, Gainsborough, e
One of the reasons police need as long as they do during investigations, is the layer upon layer of repetetive bureaucracy involved. Get rid of this and maybe the wheels of justice could run smoother and quicker without the need for extending the current 28 day lmit.
Brian Roberts , Plymouth,
Some in NuLaber are far to the right of the Lib Dems and theTories. Brown/Ball's access to power was funded by an unsavoury Midland's group. The party's policies have destroyed the cohesion of the working class and meritocracy. The next step: detention without trial and people's courts?
Alexander Davidson, Crawley, UK
Typical of this government - just add complexity confusion and cost to everything
They don't seem to understand the Keep It Simple Stupid maxim
Andrew, Cambridge,
Everyone knows there aren't enough resources in policing, security services, courts and prison places - now the PM is running around on "knife crime" facing the same difficulties.
Just one continual blizzard of statements and initiatives, with nothing even remotely near successful implementation.
Padraig, Perth, Australia
Look, all the police want to do is be able to lock up anyone whenever they like. Less paperwork. Less terrorists, and other people who can be detained under the stretched laws, walking the streets. What's wrong with that?
Rose, Stirling, UK
What worries me is neither the police or the government want more resources which would make any investigation go faster. Just more power to bang up suspects for longer periods. If there are more computers and items needing investigation, more investigators is an obvious solution
John Begoode, Welwyn Garden City, UK