OK Guys,
Close the club down.Parents,YOU are responsible for the welfare of your kids and that means THEY are home at night or in their friends houses,with THEIR parents being resonsible.
This means YOU dont go out and spend more time with THEM . So YOU bring them up.Does this sound dull.?Tough!

penny gardner , LONDON ,

It's so sad to watch the UK PC itself to death and then cover it up with a lot of sanctimonious dribble. But, as we can see from people like "Carol, New York, USA" our Country has more than its share of such types and, as most here know full well, we're next.

Catalina Gomez, New York City, USA

i lived in camden 5 years ago and it was perfecyly safe i played out as ayoung child also i dont kno whats happened recently i now live in the north east in a town called darlington,its not just london as darlington is nicknamed the murder capital of the north whats happened to britain?

hayley, darlington, britain

Different levels of violence I know, but one has to ask:

How can we teach our youths that it's wrong to assault others when we don't like 'something' about them, when Amy Winehouse does it in front of 80,000 people, transmitted to millions, and doesn't get punished by the police/courts?

mn, London, UK

Because He has no training, no role models, no mentors, He has no family. How SAD!
sandra, london,

I grew up on a nearby estate and I carried a knife until the age of 18. I'm now at university about to get an english degree. Fear is why most kids carrying weapons, not social degredation.

Danny, London, Uk

Welcome to London and its "vibrantly multicultural" life, where our fearless leaders , if not busy "celebrating" something will be busy "applauding" something else. And kids get killed.

Sarah, London,

young people are being killed for no reasons we have to try and stop before its to late

rachel , manchester, england

ben had his whole life ahead of him it so sad that he didnt get to live his dream people who have knifes think what you are doing going no one should take the life of another it not are place. think about his family who losted someone deer to them there lifes will never be the same why hurt someone

rachel , manchester, england

'44 teenage murders in London since the beginning of last year and in all but one case the suspects were black.' - Says it all really.

People need to stop blaming the government, police, mayor, local council etc, and the black community needs to stand up and take responsibility for itself.

Matthew, London,

And the load of their loveless pity is worse than the ancient wrongs,
Their doors are shut in the evening; and they know no songs.

We hear men speaking for us of new laws strong and sweet,
Yet is there no man speaketh as we speak in the street.

Mark, Flyover, USSA

ben we all love u n miss u so much ur in a betta place now u really did shine out class room up in skl wiv ur jokes n ur lil comments we love u n miss u bbe god bless you x x x

debbie, islington ,

lol im sorry but new york, i dont know where you got the idea from that new york is any better......its rediculus the world we live in it upsets me thats such innocent victims are the ones who suffer. the best die young.its always the nicest people my heart goes out to his family and friends.

elissa, devizes, wilts

I feel sad about the murder....

ahwei, zhongshan, China

Let's face it: London is a slum. While I lived there, I saw hooligans of all shades, but most of the drunk ones fighting at night were your lovely white English boys. The real gentlemen should simply move to New York, which is so much more civilized.

Carol, New York, USA

We had the teddy boys the mods and rockers all rebelling in the name of youth, but never in the name of hate like today it would seem one rotten apple can make the whole barrel rotten, copycat behavour is what is going on today. If these kids had love in there hearts they would not hurt a soul.

Mary Morrell, Manchester, United Kingdom

Get used to it. Black on white crime that is. Jared Taylor's report: The Color of Crime, lays out the stats clearly. The pathology is with white society.

john, bristol, england

The black community leaders have a responsibility to clean up the violent mess that plagues their community. We see this same black culture of violence in Africa and the USA. It is not a race thing, it is a cultural thing and blacks need to address it or don't complain when theres a white backlash.

Paul, Bucks, England

i think everyone is missing the point here!
a family are grieving for there 16 year old child!
it doesnt matter where he should of been!
how late he was out !
whether they were black ,white, green, pink, that did it !
whoever did it was carrying a knife and thats the crime...murder!!!!!!!!!!

sam, peterborough, cambridgeshire

The parents of the piece(s) of trash that did this know their offspring are responsible. As we go to bed tonight, they'll lay their heads down on pillows harbouring a killer in the next bedroom. They'll make excuses, and they'll carry on the gutter parenting that got us here in the first place.

Laura Roberts, London, UK

To David:
"Orderly Tokyo??? Does the Sarin Gas Attack of a few years a go ring a bell" does the recent indiscriminate attack on passers by also ring a bell how about the macabre killing of two english girls lured by maniacs still on the loose.
David grow up mate. Violence is everywhere...

Carlos, Surrey, England

Yes the killers were black and the victim white but a racial element to the attack would mean there must be racist language or a racist motive. Please someone, tell me I am not the only person left in Britain who is sickened BOTH by brain dead airhead liberalism and brain dead disgusting racism.

Alastair, London,

Rivers of blood!

steve tea, manchester, cheshire

This is not the "safe" London in which I was raised in the 50s!
I could walk the streets and parks and ride the underground and buses alone without any fear, day or night.
Whether black or white, 2am or 2pm - 16 or 60 - so sad.

lyn, santa barbara, calif., usa

Most of these incidents are happening at night, when the kids are drunk and their demons come out.. Lobby your local M.P for a 10 p.m. curfew - any kids out after that get rounded up and slung in the cop shop. Part of me's dreading coming back to the socially dire U.K. after living in orderly Tokyo.

David, Tokyo, Japan

16 years old? In a pub at 2 a.m? And I guess he was drinking orange juice all night! I thought 18 was the minimum age to start drinking. Nevertheless, a sad loss of life and my thoughts are with the family. Things need to change and those who bear the responsiblity of authority need to instigate it.

Inam, Bradford, UK

Louise, I was responding to earlier comments suggesting that the media only respond to black deaths and ignore white ones, which is demonstrably untrue. I omitted the one female victim because her case seems more like a stalker crime than general teenage knife violence.

Nick, London,

People -calm down. Until more is revealed it is impossible to say whether here was a racial element to this case - comments here are merely conjecture.

To the poster who said that the Turkish teenager was white. Turks are members of the Turkic race (a central asian race) - not white or black.

Pico Sanchez, London,

“We believe the victim may have been involved in an argument with a group of black males in the street". There's your answer right there. If perhaps the argument hadn't been started, all of this wouldn't have happenend.

Rob Llewellyn, Downham Markey, UK

The pub is not York Way but close, in an area that has seen a number of killings. Tougher policing, tougher sentences, parents being made responsible for their minors -roaming streets, staying out late (what is late for a 16 y old) and holding weapons.

Timur, London,

i have known ben from primary school as he was in my class he was a lovley boy and he was very bright for people who say anything about his parents you suld be ashamed of yourselfs do you no what his family is goin through 2o'clock in the morning or 1 in the afternoon it shouldnt of happened x x x

kirsty, london, engaland

its now illegal to carry a knife, yet we have more stabbing's than ever, maybe its time to admit that we have gone the wrong way. we should be teaching people to respect knifes as tools not weapons, but then that would involve teaching respect, something we seem to lack in our youth population today

r.tabner, saltburn, United Kingdom

Neil S, Glasgow, Scotland

Knife crime is worse in Scotland, and you trying to play the race card from a story some 400 miles away.

Timothy, London,

Had the 'race' victim and 'perp' been reversed, it would have been a 'racist' attack. Hyde Park open air concert with a host of lefty stars, Bono and Geldof launching international appeals for fights 'against racism', Ken Livingstone sobbing uncontrollably into a hanky, you know the score!

Lark, Lancs, UK

Billy Cox gets killed.. News Coverage!! Paul Erahon gets killed.. News Coverage.. Rhys Jones gets Killed and Football stadiums stand still, front page tabloids turn heads and guess what.. News Coverage too!!!

Know what your saying before you say it.. real talk...

Daniel, London, UK

Tragic waste but what were 16-year olds doing in a pub at 2am and if they have the money to spend there where did it come from.

At that age my kids were usually dropped and certainly picked up from party's. Perhaps why they're still alive is because we cared enough.

JR, B,ham, UK

Will the police investigate the Shillibeers pub, for possibly serving underage drinkers, and come down on them like a ton of bricks if they did? I doubt they will.

Matt, Birmingham,

Nick,
Racism is racism, just because you judge people simple by their colour don't assume everyone else does. Personally i do not give a stuff if a gang rapist has been stabbed to death, but I do if a schoolboy with no record of violence has. Also why do you ignore the female victims??

louise, uk,

The apathy, lets call it that, of the media in reporting black on white crime as such and the willingness of the police to play down reports of such crimes will eventually cause a backlash as some opportunist politician will ride the situation and steer the country to the right.

John, London,

It is tragic and I am sad that a young lad should have his life taken away from him.
I question why a young lad only 16 is outside a pub at 2 am nevertheless that is no reason for someone to murder him.
Our society is to blame for allowing such a crime to occur.

jules, exeter, UK

ben was a great student at our school and had finished his exams im his friend its so bad we lost a friend like him every one at school is upset :( and we are all going to miss him

jonathan, islington, england

16 boys stabbed to death in London this year. 3 white; 13 black. Average number of Google mentions for the blacks: 2513. Average number for the whites: 31080. It is when the victim is white that we never hear the end of it.

Nick, London,

If one peruses through the comments concerning this article then, ironically, I think it gives a clear indication as to what is so fundamentally wrong with society.

I'm ashamed to be British.

Phil Hughes, Lancaster, England

I don't think people should be arguing over the skin colour of all of these london teenagers who've lost their lives..

that there is just no huge deterrent for these thugs carrying knives and weapons.

these criminals have to be punished more severely for these atrocious acts by the courts.

brendan, sunderland,

A recent report shows that Scottish Knife Crime far exceeds numbers recorded in both London & NYC which white youths are predominetly responsible for. The government needs to plough more money into poorly developed areas & increase prospects for well paid employment to reduce knife crime in the UK

Ryan Blais, Glasgow, Scotland

Who said no crime Ashish? Without question, it would be considerably less.

steve, watford, UK,

What was Ben doing out so late ?

What was he doing in the pub/club ?

Society is culpable for allowing these events to occur.

john, elmstead, UK

The only way to solve a problem is to recognize first. Of the 44 teenage murders in London since the start of last year, only one of the suspects was white (and he was Turkish). Why can't people just be honest and admit this problem is connected with black culture.

terry, watford, england

A child with hope, is a child with a future. A child without hope become the victim of crime in our society. Black mothers and fathers are failing their children. Why is a child of 16 carrying a knife? Because He has no training, no role models, no mentors, He has no family. How SAD!

sandra, london,

It's bloody frightening living in London if you are a white male out late at night. The racism shown by some black and asian thugs never gets reported or done anything about. In a year or two I intend moving to Devon or Cornwall where I hope that it is safer.

Ray, London,

Do you think, in years to come, there's be thousands of comments about stories like this, rather than dozens? The more white people die at the hands of black people, the worse white prejudice is going to get. Don't the liberals and softly-softlys get it?

Neil S, Glasgow, Scotland

If he was 16 why was in a pub.

Dev, London,

Where this could well be a racially motivated murder we must consider the fact that WHITE BOYS ARE ALSO INVOLVED WITH GANGS and gangs are not exclusive to the black community. I think we should not be so quick to stir up racial hatred before we look at the facts.

sam, london,

Actually if he was black he would be just as forgotten as if he were white. And if he was not linked to a tvstar he might not have got as much coverage. People need to focus on the big picture.Stop nit picking over colour, this increase in knife crime is all our problems. A reflection of our society

Kelly, Ealing,

A racist murder but because the victim is white, it doesn't count! Where are the Lawrences and Trevor Phillips now? But of course, this is England and the voice of the white man is something to be sneered at!

BNP for my vote!

A thorn, London,

"... investigate a possible racial element."

Fat chance, didn't you know racism only works one way, and that's white against all other colours. Otherwise there is no racism.

Nu Labours, Nu Society. White middle class? Pay your heavy taxes, shut up and put up.

Frank, Home Counties, England

The whole issue is being dragged in a completely different direction here. It would be quite naive to believe that if there're no blacks in London, the city would be free of crime.

Ashish Deodhar, Mumbai, India

The Met, like all other law enforcement agencies has become over sensitive and politically frightened of the truth about crime since the Lawrence affair. Hopefully, one day the unbiased truth of the events of that evening in 1993 will become public knowledge, and not shut away in the archives of NSY

paul, Croydon, uk

If the black racists hadn't got Ben first, the notorious white racist, Harriet Harman, would have done - with her new Equalities Bill that makes racism against white males like Ben LEGAL!!!

Get ready for the revolution... Smash racism. Smash sexism. Smash liberalism. NOW!

Terry, London, UK

If the two black males are found guilty nothing will be said on the news or in the papers about a racist killing its only when a white person kills a black or asian Watch you you will see this happens all the time and when a black or asian is murdered it will be splattered all over the tv

chris, manchester,

Why should colour even come into this at all? A boy was stabbed. Find the culprit and jail him/her. The rise in knife crime is a result of laughable sentencing and soft-option "rehabilitation". Bring back harsher punishment and make prisons places to fear. Life should mean life.

Emma, Southampton, UK

This could well be a racially motivated murder but we must consider the fact tha WHITE BOYS ARE ALSO INVOLVED WITH GANGS and gang culture is not exclusive to the black community. Ben Kinsella's death is as sad and needless as any of the other 31 deaths-black or white. Lets not stir up racial hatred.

sam N, london,

This is a tragedy but can I ask what a 16 year old was doing out and about at 2am after having been at a party in a pub?

Perhaps we should look at the circumstances surrounding this type of incident with a view to preventing a repeat occurrence.....

Mark, Wycombe, ENGLAND

"95% of knife crimes are commited by black youths"

- What is the source of this information? I cannot imagine the government releasing such damning statistics, it would only fuel comments like 95% of the above.

Philip, London, UK

Ben was white and his killers are thought to have been black

Two youths have apparently been aprehended for this dreadful murder, both are black. So why do we have the above statement, "are thought to be black"? This does not difuse this racist murder in any shape or form.Tell it as it is.

Mike Jones, Farnborough, Hampshire

Wonder how long the media will keep reporting this as another knife/youth crime when all but the most braindead lefty liberal knows what the problem really is.

DaveJ, Torquay, England

Reverse Racism as it is unhelpful. The details haven't even been confirmed and already people are trying to make it something it may not be.
Nathan , North London,

No. The problem needs to be spoken openly about and addressed. They confirmed today what we all knew yesterday: the murderer is black.

mn, London, UK

95% of knife crimes are commited by black youths, who make up 9% of London's population but our New Labour PC Police Force are still obsessed by Stephen Lawrence - the exception that proved the rule. And all our new Tory Mayor can say is 'knives are colour-blind'. It makes me sick

rhory fraser, London,

I wonder how many previous convictions the vermin that did this had? How many times his existence on this planet terrorised others, how many times he was arrested and let off, to be a drain on the rest of us day in, day out, instead of behind bars where he belonged. No point to him living.

James, London, UK

The police dregs are too busy worrying about promotion than tackling crime.

Fred, London, UK

We need to stop our Young People dying on the streets regardless of their colour and us making comments such as BNP and Reverse Racism as it is unhelpful. The details haven't even been confirmed and already people are trying to make it something it may not be. We need to be supporting his family RIP

Nathan , North London,

A tragic and senseless waste of life. And I agree with all the comments so far... this would be treated and reported in a different way had the victim been a different skin colour. Neither the police not the media admit to the fact that the youths most likely to carry knives and use them are black.

Robin Hughes, London, UK

Its time to talk about the elephant in the room.

Hugh, London, England

Another racist murder? Unfortunately white kids are being stabbed to death all too frequently and the PC Met Police are afraid to say it is racist. This creates resentment in the white community, which at some point in time result in a backlash. Then we will all be called racists again

Richard K, Nottingham,

Stay out of pubs, clubs and nite venues. Stay off the streets and stay alive. Young people need brains not pleasure.

G.Gibson, Sydney, Australia

Hope that the government wakes up to the fact that their PC naivety is a rallying call to the BNP. Every time an incedent such as this happens another few thousand people will turn away from mainstream politics. We should start dealing with these crimes effectively now, or face the backlash later.

Mark Chisholm, Dereham, UK

Its the same here in France racism is one way: we are always being accused of racism, and even have an institution called S.O.S Racism.....only for Blacks and Arabians....not once has this institution looked into what happens every day : racism by the blacks. In fact just jealousy.

E. Bee, Toulouse, France

Senior ministers from this government should attend this,
and other funerals of the victims of street violence, to
show recognition of their culpability.
Their PC idealism and lack of understaning of how their
policies affect the everyday lives of ordinary people, has
made many British cities

J Mckay, Wellington,

Racism is all one way.

N.Riley, Runcorn, England

Another young life taken, but I bet if he were black and the killers where white we would never hear the end of it.

I bet this remains in the news for a day at the very most and there will be no community centre build or midnight vigis.

Mark, Leeds,

The parents who allowed their son or daughter to hold a party in a pub where a fight subsequently breaks out between rival gangs of youth are surely partly responsible for this horrible crime, as are, sadly, the parents who let their son out at 2 a.m.

Sophia, London, England

If he were a black teenager the heavens would fall. As he's white, he'll soon be forgotten.

David Russell, Sheffield, South Yorkshire

if a group of white youths chased and stabbed a black youth there would be no question but that it had a racial element.

glyn, hereford, britain