Fiona Hamilton, London Correspondent
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Late this afternoon, Michael will emerge from his council home on to the streets of the East London estate that he knows as “the block”.
If it is a good day, the 19-year-old will quickly get rid of the two ounces of cocaine that are burning a hole in the pocket of his low-slung jeans.
Eli, a fellow “general” in his Leytonstone gang, the Loyal Soldiers, will be successful in his quest for an “eight-ball” - about 3.5g of coke that he has promised a client. They'll celebrate their success by smoking some weed.
But if it is a bad day, the events of a fortnight ago will repeat themselves. There will be “beef” - a fight with a rival gang - and the chances are that someone will get knifed, popped, bored or wetted up. Whatever the parlance: someone will get hurt.
Like many boys his age, Michael dreams of bigger and better things.
“Having the kind of money to have my own boys working drugs for me, them bringing in the money,” he told The Times. “That's instead of me being in the limelight, me being on the street. That's my progress. Everyone wants to be in the director's seat.”
Once, Michael's ambitions were different. It seems a lifetime ago, but at primary school he dreamt of becoming a firefighter. These days, his role models are gang bosses of the tough estates in Peckham and Brixton.
“All them lot down South London, those G's [gangsters] are real. It's a completely different world to here.
I violate you in South London, I'd be gone in an hour. Round here, they let things die down, they don't do nothing.”
The two boys, whose youthful faces belie their tough attitudes, started their gang a few years ago when Michael was released from detention. He had been sent there for committing robbery at knifepoint.
Michael and Eli had agreed - through an intermediary - to meet The Times this week and tell their story, giving a compelling insight into the gang rivalries that span the capital. Their faces glow with pride as they describe the Loyal Soldiers' reputation.
Emphasising his words with a stabbing gesture, Eli says: “What other cliques know is that we ain't really got much guns around us. We use our knives, we really use 'em. Done a lot of that. Bored [stabbed] this guy in the head three times. Done that, done that, alright, I got the heart to do that.”
Michael also prefers knives but will carry a “burner” [gun] if he ventures to see a girl outside the estate and fears a trap. Such outings are rare; he feels safe only inside the block. It is always locked down by his boys, who will not let any “unknowns” in.
“A pretty girl could be the bait. I don't trust girls. You want me? You're coming to my area.”
Knives are better than guns, they say, for they don't need to be disposed of. Michael had to get rid of his gun last year, in case it was traced, after he shot someone in the leg in a fast-food restaurant.
“I stab someone, I wrap up my knife and put it back in my pocket. Much easier. When I walk around with it, it's me and my boy, man. I'm riding with my boy, he will back me. I know I can take out anyone. My mum say to me, ‘All the kitchen knives are gone'.”
The pair laugh uproariously and touch fists when Eli says: “My mum too!”
Asked to explain the hierarchy of the Loyal Soldiers, Eli insists on the correct spelling, not the usual gang patois “soljah”. He compares the structure to that of a big electrical shop: “They've got white goods like fridge and freezers, then brown goods like TVs and all them other goods, yeah? Well, we've got all the departments. There's the guy that's connected to the guns. Another can get the crack. Us two, we set pace. When there's beef, we'll set the pace.”
They claim that they steer clear of hurting girls because Eli has a little sister and Michael has nieces.
However, they try to indoctrinate children. From the age of 8, neighbourhood kids are asked to carry weapons as a favour.
“You get the little guys holding a strap for me. He's very happy to hold a gun, its ‘wow' for him,” Eli says.
Michael, who comes across as a bright and engaging young man, is happy for members to leave his gang and forge a better life - provided they visit once in a while. “As long as when you're getting your two or three grand a month, as long as you're still coming and putting a box on the block - a box of weed, a box of crack, a box of heroin, whatever.
“You can't just leave and not show love to the block. Or I'm going to start thinking you're sticky, who you rolling with? The enemy maybe.”
Fights with other gangs erupt because someone steps into another person's territory, or simply because of a stare.
Two weeks ago, the Loyal Soldiers attacked a rival gang in nearby Forest Gate, because one of their members had been “stared at”.
The pair scream “arghh” and flail their arms in the air when they describe how the rival gang ran when they saw them.
“That's what always happens,” Michael says. “We decide to roll up and they want to run. We come with the smallest team and they'll run. They know what we're coming to do, someone's gonna get bored up.”
Like many gangs across London, they use bicycles instead of cars to make their getaway easier. Michael says: “Obviously you can use cars but there's numberplates and all that. There's cameras everywhere, I call this place Big Brother city. Next thing you're in a big chase with police. On a pushbike, you can get out of there. You can just kick out of there. Alleyways, back streets and you're gone.”
Eli adds: “Getting the job [stabbing] done, that's nothing to us. It's getting away. That's the hardest part.”
Accounts of drug deals pepper their tales. Eli narrowly missed jail when the police nearly caught him with 51 wraps of cocaine, he mentions casually.
He was “switching shifts” with a cohort in Braintree - one of several county hotspots for their drug dealing -when five police vehicles arrived at the service station. “Luckily, I dashed it [threw it away] and they couldn't find it.” He shrugs.
The mood lightens when Eli tells how the white couple to whom he had been planning to sell drugs had a “crack fiend baby”.
“She was very smiley, like, talking rubbish,” he says, rolling his eyes back in his head to demonstrate the state of the child. Michael, who describes himself as a “black cab driver” because he does not run drugs for anyone but himself, chuckles. Asked if what they say is for real, Michael exclaims that he “ain't no J.K. Rowling”.
Their story is one of abandoned hopes and a carelessness - or perhaps lack of awareness - over the value of life.
Both are nursing injuries. Michael's arm has been stitched up after he was slashed with a blade, while Eli's hand is covered in plaster to heal two torn finger tendons.
The pair were not injured by gang rivals, but by each other, during a tussle over a knife. It followed a stupid argument over a phone, they admit.
“Had it been someone else, I would have properly wetted them up [knifed them],” says Michael. “But at that moment, I crumbled, I weren't gonna do it, I couldn't do it. We were hugging, there's blood on our clothes, the floor. That was emotional, those times there. It's love, innit?”
They have both been in more serious situations. In March, Michael was walking home when he ran into several rivals from Waltham Forest. They had just been at his house, trying to kick down the door while his terrified mother was inside.
“I touched my knife, but he had a gun,” Michael recalls, demonstrating the pump action that his foe undertook to get his weapon ready.
“He tried to shoot me, like, but it jammed. He put it back in, and went ‘pop, pop', shooting twice. They were two blanks, I see the spark. My younger [a 15-year-old member of his crew], I told him to run. We got away. The mistake is, I always said from that day, [they] should have never have let me get away.”
Politicians from all parties are seeking solutions to gang violence. Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, mentioned forcing gang members to visit victims of knife wounds, in order to realise the error of their ways. Such ideas seem to come from another world.
With a chilling, casual air, Michael describes how he slashed a man's face from ear to nose because the man owed him £80 for drugs.
“I let him off for so long, I gave him a loan for weed, but he started taking the piss out of me.”
Michael says he is not scared of losing his life; he does not care.
“Everyone's going to die. That's in the book of life - if I die, it was meant to happen.
“No one's innocent. Every black boy, white boy - somewhere along the line they've been in a gang or they know gang members and they've been seen by enemies with these people. It's all affiliated.”
Names have been changed to protect identities
Word on the street
Beef A fight between gangs
The block A council estate
Bore To stab someone
Box A stash of drugs
Burner/strap A gun
Crumble To look away when staring at a gang rival
Dash To throw away drugs
Eight ball 3.5g of cocaine
G A gangster
Peel/pull To rob someone
Pop To shoot someone
Rep your end/stating your noize To represent your postcode
Tuck To knock someone out
Wetted up To be stabbed
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Mark, Leeds, If you dressed up Philips Idowu, in a hoody and cap who happens to be a south Londoner, you'd probably argue for him to be deported as well.
If we weren't such a money obsessed society, content with using drugs for recreational use, we wouldn't have gangsta culture
Armand Tamzarian, London,
@Brian Clacey, Croydon, UK
Difference is, you're not living in China, are you? Plus Chinese is both a race and a nationality (hence can be interpreted differently), English is just a nationality.
Meh, who am I kidding. It's just black and white to you, eh?
Howard, Manchester,
Are you sure the "L" is just not for "Losers". Hopefully Australia will maintain it's immigration laws and make it nigh on impossible for these types to get in. The kids could get involved in something worthwhile like sport or something. Who am I kidding? That would take some physical effort.
Paul, Perth, Australia
I have just returned from living in Kathmandu for three months , and i have never seen children living in such miserable disgusting conditions yet they respect each other and are very polite,and dont go arround stabbing or "Beefing" so the fact that guys like Eli have no prospects is no excuse.
g cook, Leytonstone, UK
As a resident of Leytonstone, young men like these are my neighbours and I thank Fiona Hamilton for telling their story.
Hannah, Leytonstone, UK
I think that they should be deported or more accurately exiled to some remote island with an awful climate. They can come back when they learn to act like civilised human beings.
Sacha Varma, Marbella, Spain
Tragic and we all ignore it at our peril !!!!!! When good men do nothing - evil flourishes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ian payne, walsall,
Deport British citizens! to where?
Andrew, Glasgow,
Surely there is hardly a more important story at the moment. If these young people really feel that they don't care if they live or die, and therefore other people's lives become valueless, we need to listen to where they are coming from and give them some sense of hope - for the sake of all of us.
Hannah, London,
Mark, Leeds.
You can not deport your own people.
These boys are British.
Even if they do seem to live in an other world.
JCMendoza, Madrid, Spain
Since Labour came to office some 700,000 children have been denied contact with the paternal side of thier family all due to closed courts. Add to this a nanny state in the making via the NSPCC, Social Services & CAFCASS at the expence of Parental Responsibility Rights and we have social breakdown.
Michael Ellis, Bideford, UK
Why on earth would a journalist even comprehend the thought of meeting with these illiterate, ignorant 'yoots', is completely beyond me.
I'm sure there are lots more people with far more important tales to tell than these low lives. Publishing stories these idiots have to say doesn't help atall.
Mark, London, England
Excellent story. Makes you wonder what ever happened to Scarlet Fever and Typhoid. These sociopathic monsters should be quietly whipped away and used for medical experiments
Andy L, St Helens, Lancs, UK
So, you're winning the war on crime right? And we're oppressive, right??
I guess it's just a matter of whose human rights you are fighting for. Right??
You people confuse me. I really think you confuse yourselves. But hey!! The little girl who sang the song........big news!!!
Laughable.
Pu Li, Guangxi, PRC
I work hard, anhonest day's work for an honest wage, I pay my taxes. I have been brought up with good moral values. I go to the proms and the theatre, I donate to charity.
Why must people like this be living in my neighborhood- why must I feel threatened in my own town by these kind of people.
tony, London, UK
Peter of Northants. Yes, they were 8 when labour came to power but their parents were brought up from birth (dependant upon thier age) under the tories.
No matter what way you look at it, the parents hold the responsibility for their children. The rot set it the day the tories came to power.
kim, london,
Will from Bristol wrote: "Deport them? They're English mate".
Clearly they AREN'T..."mate". Any more than I could be Chinese simply because by chance my mother was in Shanghai when I was born.
Brian Clacey, Croydon, UK
If they are about 19 now, then they were only 8 when Labour came into power. That is when one wanted to be a fireman.
So Labour is responsible for what has happened to them since then. Labour should be brought to account.
Labour politicians are so lucky that I am not in David Cameron's shoes.
Peterr, Northants, UK
Excellent piece of journalsm. Well done Fiona!
Peterr, Northants, UK
MPs and their families should should be made to live on council estates such as these. I suspect they would see the world as it is, rather than as they fancy.
John Crosland, Ras Al Khaimah, UAE
Just let them get on with it? Try telling that to the long suffering people who live in these areas of "cultural enrichment", ordinary people who have to endure such violent behaviour almost on a daily basis.
Shame on the politicians for systematically destroying native communities with immigration
Edwin, Helsingborg, Sweden
Deport them? They're English mate. May as well just let them get on with it if they're hurting each other rather than decent citizens. Education is the only way out of this cycle, but it's too late for this lot.
Will, Bristol,
Jacqui Smith et al. would describe it as a 'vibrant and diverse' neighbourhood.
Dave H., Cambs,
Deport them! Do we really need such "enrichment" in our once Great Britain?
mark, Leeds,