Faisal, you are intergrating, there is nothing wrong with keeping your faith and nothing wrong with following it, while you allow others to do likewise with thier lifestyles, an admirable attitude.
as to the arguments for the caliphate, firstly there was never one islamic nation, even the ottomans were not the sole islamic nation, secondly the original caliphate had spearation of chuch and state, thirdly to blame israel as being one state but the muslims cannot have one is illogical, there are many muslim states.

Ben, folkestone, uk

To the islamists posting here:-

The greatest murderers of muslims are ..... other muslims!

Put your own house in order first and stop blaming every one else for the problems created by your own hand, like some errant infant throwing a tantrum. It is time you all grew up and took responsibility for zenophobic, mysogynist and genocidal tenets of your religion.

If it wasn't for the western enlightenment no one would have the luxury of being able to discuss these issues on this forum etc, etc. Everyone of you that makes an excuse or tries to blame the west for your problems sounds utterly hollow.

The Caliphate idea is a waste of time. The education and knowledge available from western civilization will defeat any idea of a global Caliphate. The idea is medieval and utterly laughable.

I don't buy it!

Bill, Glasgow,

What is wrong with a muslim state here? Well - this is Europe and we happend to believe in certain values such as democracy and freedom of speech (which by the way is used by some radical elements against democracy which would not be allowed in those countries some admire due to their religious rules). If you want a muslim state - fine by me but please somewhere where this is actually the religion. As much as some reject us telling them what to do, please refraime from telling us what we must beliefe. Everyone in a democracy has the choice to decide and move where their religious needs are being meet in a way some seem to desire....
There are good reasons which can be found in the European history why religion and state is separated here....

Peggy, Edinburgh,

Tony promised a lot of things to keep our minds occupied while Gordon picked our pockets - but surely no-on in their right mind believed him. Now we have Gordon doing his 'serious statesman' impression while not only trying to lift more stealth taxes but proposing to steal our saving as well. How on earth do you expect them to find time to worry about details like Hizb ut-Tahrir - till it all blows up!

Mike Bibby, St Albans, England -not EU

Shareef, you cannot compare the idea of the Caliphate with The EU or even Israel. Muslims who push for the Khilafah do not want 'a state', they want the entire world to be converted to Islam and live under Sharia law, forcibly if necessary. There are already several 'muslim' states in existence in which fundamentalist muslims can go and live if they wish, just as people of all religions and none who enjoy liberty and tolerance can come and live in the west.
Unfortunately the ideal of the khilafah is based on a romaticised and half imagined past where muslims were united under a caliphate; but any reading of Islamic history shows that this empire was just as prone to corruption, civil war and murder as any other. Modern attempts to recreate such a paradise have only resulted in socialogical nightmares like Iran and Afghanistan where people who do not agree with the ruling regime are mercilessly crushed.

Rob King, Norwich , UK

To Shareef, London, UK.

You can ask for a muslim state but there are over two dozen!!!

You can wish for a caliphate but i think you need to be polite and ask the rest of the world if it fits into our plans.

If not, then just get on with your life being obedient to mediaeval nonsense and just don't bother the rest of us with your superstitious twaddle.

Get over your religion for goodness sake. If you don't think we are religious enough for you then go to Iran or Saudi Arabia etc..........................

helen, london, uk

The UK give a group (who also run so called private schools) charitable status who have terrorist ambitions whos aims include persuading Muslims in Britain to not become integrated into the corrupt western society & accept their diseased notions of democracy freedom & capitalism & teach that their rules & laws come from Allah (not elected government) & that Islam should take over the western world by jihad (holy war). It just goes to show how out of touch & blind to reality the Ofsted Inspectors must be to have conducted an inspection & reported that the schools provision for the pupils spiritual, moral, social & cultural development is very good. The schools curriculum contains elements of Hizb ut-Tahrirs ideology, which calls for the union of all Muslim states into a worldwide empire. Hizb ut-Tahrir should be proscribed as a terrorist organisation & its schools shut down. Why does this country insist on kow-towing to ethnic minority groups who we know our out to hurt & extinguish us

Lynda Plum, London, england

They are a non Violent Political Party so where is the wrong in that?

Why when the Governments here and abroad are challenged intellectually and are exposed as corrupt establishments they go onto use their powers to close such organizations down.

Dont preach what you dont practice - you so called Democratic Parties!

Mike Dolan, London, United Kingdom

Why are Hizb ut Tahrir being persecuted? I have many colleagues at work who members of political parties (Lab, Con or Lib) but are also on the board of goveners at their kids schools. All these parties including Hizb are in the ideas business (hearts & minds).
Also, you can't hold someone responsible for an action that someone else commits. The people who left weren't radicalised by this group but rather found the group to be not radical enough(why blame Hizb). Are we going to hold the papers that have topless models in them responsible for introducing the rapist/peodo to pornography, I think not as we saw with the Chris Langham case.
I'm a Muslim and i'm not integrated, I get on very well with Non-Muslim colleagues and neighbours, but I stick to my Islamic principles, so I won't go to the pub and also need to pray, so when we organise events or play footy my mates accept this, but if they want a drink later they can.

Faisal, London,

So it is OK to ask for European unity but a crime for Muslims to ask for the same? It is OK for jews to have a state (Israel) but a crime when a Muslim wants one?

Shareef, London, UK

Muntasir 5050 shows the problem: an us-against-them victimhood grievance, built on Islamic values of tribal supremacism. We see this constantly, how Muslims accuse others of what they do: its both pathetic and laughable how they condemn the West, which is massively multicultural and tolerant with countries across Europe and states in the US with friendly relations, and even an accommodation and support for ethnic people, while Islam is mono cultural and associated with seperatist tensions and violence almost wherever you see it.

The point is, they don't want to join in with this. They want their mono cultural Islam, and twist it around accusing OTHERS of intolerance - what a joke!

Joe, Manchester,

it seems like Mr Shiv Malik dont want Muslims to be successful...remember his article on Muslims inflitrating top British Companies?
I suppose if it was the other way around he would have said that Muslims are unemployed, benifit eating parasites.
Maybe Mr Malik should become an ofsted inspector- he obviousely think he can do a better job than them.

AbdurRAhman, london,

Tony Blair promised the people of this country many, many things on which he failed to deliver; he just moved on to the next headline.
Gordon Blair professes he is cogniscent of courage as he writes books on the subject. If he truly has any courage himself he should despatch all adherents of radical muslim groups from this country to a place where they can set up the caliph again and where they might live their lives in a country they don't despise and revile. A country where they can enjoy their belief systems such as sharia law to their hearts' content. Would Saudi Arabia be suitable ?

Rick, Greater London, England

Lilly livered Blair ,
History will show this government has a lot to answer for in their stupid & dangerous politically correct attitude.
It's too late now for Brown to close this school, only if we have another atrocity will he be justified in doing so.
Sorry change that from , ' if ' to when !!

Maggie Millington, Brittany, France

The continued attempts to attribute Hizb ot Tahrir with the propogation of violence has become a thoroughly flawed and bogus strategy. If after 50 years of work in over 40 countries involving upto 10 million members not a single act of violence has been attributed to the work of this organisation, most sane people will judge that Hizb ut Tahrir cannot be advocating violence as a method for change.

Rather it is western governments that carry an ugly track record in using violence to engender regime change and to impose their political systems upon others, Iraq being the most recent example. Mr Malik should be calling for a change in British foreign policy and not the censorship of political organisations who hold a different view to secular parties.

salman, london, uk

Hizb Ut tahrir
working to unite Muslims under one state yes .. any issue with that ? is it because dividing The Ummah ) is convenient and unity is a Blow to ( western complex of Supremcy ) .. as once united; the Ummah will void the escuse for imposed paternalism over Muslims .?!
westerners say it is an utopia .. so let these poor peolple (utopize )
Further.. How pitty I feel for the one who hold a Brain that lead him to say this : Hizb ut tahrir is radicalizing the youth !
E s c u se meee ?? The youth; when they see that those who kill and rape muslims are either let go without ever brought to justice or ad best reprimended .. often rewarded ( Israel is getting more and more aid despite all what is doing including Nuking ammassments and WOMD ) ..
I mean ,, just one stop saying muslims radicalzing Youth Rather say .. they are being pushed by western agression ,, to become agressive .
wrell I do want khilafah , I Also invite u all 2 al islam

Muntasir 5050, toulkarem, palestine

When will our politicians wake up and close these places down and deport the extremists and any person muslim or otherwise who is not willing to integrate into British society.

Alan Mackay, ABERDEEN, Scotland

The continued attempts to attribute Hizb ot Tahrir with the propogation of violence has become a thoroughly flawed and bogus strategy that exposes the deception of Mr Malik's journalism. If after 50 years of work in over 40 countries involving upto 10 million members not a single act of violence has been attributed to the work of this organisation, most sane people will judge that Hizb ut Tahrir cannot be advocating violence as a method for change.

Rather it is western governments that carry an ugly track record in using violence to engender regime change and to impose their political systems upon others, Iraq being the most recent example. Mr Malik should be calling for a change in British foreign policy and not the censorship of political organisations who hold a different view to secular parties.

salman, London, UK

The statement that Tony Blair wanted to proscribe or disliked something does not automatically makes it wrong.
This is tantamount to saying that whatever he disliked is necessarily bad. That is absurd and shamefully subservient journalism.
And finally Mr malik what problem do you have if the muslims want to unite their lands? You will still be receiving your pension from both the governments that you work for.

Owais, London, UK