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SECONDARY schools are to be encouraged to set up cadet corps under plans to be unveiled next month.
A report commissioned by the government on the role of the military in British society will urge all comprehensives to offer pupils basic military training if the opportunity is not available in the community.
The recommendations, by Quentin Davies, a former Tory MP who defected to the Labour party last year, have received the backing of Gordon Brown, who is said to be “very, very keen” on the idea.
Davies argues that encouraging more secondary school pupils to join cadet corps would lead to better discipline among teenagers and improve public perception of the army, navy and air force, whose reputations have suffered during the Iraq war.
However, some campaigners fear that teaching teenagers to use weapons could backfire, fuel-ling gun crime.
There are now just 60 cadet forces in comprehensive schools, compared with 200 in grammar and independent institutions, which constitute only 10 per cent of schools.
Davies said: “This is an opportunity for young people to engage in purposeful activity, in projects involving teamwork and physical challenges. It is immensely valuable. I very much hope that schools will be attracted to the idea.”
He said schools would not be encouraged to set up cadet corps in areas where the need was already met by community cadet forces. Sources close to Brown confirmed that he backed the scheme.
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May as well just go the whole way and use compulsory conscription.
Jeff, Manchester,
I run a cadet unit in a state school. Students turn up after school as volunteers, they get changed,complete training and go home at 5.30. They study drill and turnout, weapon handling and shooting, fieldcraft, map and compass, expeditions, pt and community activities. They feel part of the school more because its the only after school activity they do. The readily mix withth other students from other years and there is very much a sense of family within the detachment.The opportunities that cadets give them cannot be replicated in school through the existing curriculum. Many do not go into the services but I believe and the continued contact with ex cadets is that they do become better citizens
alan jones, Harpenden, Uk
I see very little wrong with this idea. It will help with discipline with those that need it most and can lead to an increase of self respect for those who have little. As for training with guns fueling gun crime, please explain to me how? Just because you have been trained to use a gun does not mean you have one and I think it is particularly difficult to get hold of assault rifles in Britain. Also it will get children to work in teams and most often, many children who are a problem at school (from my experiance) act considerbly well once given some form of responsibilty.
Rob, London,
Why does the forces-hating Gordon brown suddenly want to be their new best friend? During his tenure as Chancellor, he treated them with contempt and kept them seriously underfunded - indeed, it was his decision to cut back 2,000 frontline troops 2 years ago that has led to the serious undermanning problems that the Army is facing today.
Gordon is an opportunist who will clutch at any straw if he thinks that it will either improve his popularity or get him votes, whether that means wrapping himself up in the Union Flag and proclaiming himself British or cosying up to the increasingly more popular Armed Forces.
mnairb, Hove, U.K.
More fodder for the guns in Iraq and Afghanistan eh Gordon? Recruitment for the forces is falling and experienced soldiers are getting out, so he is looking to the youngsters to fill the ranks. Wonder if these cadets will be drafted into the planned EU Army? Will they end up fighting their own people on English streets when we pull out of the EU? Or is it just that Brown wants to brainwash youngsters into a life of obediance?
Patricia Kenny, Bradford, Uk
When I started reading the article I thought the idea was encourage children to join boy/girl scout groups. A way to learn skills outside the normal school domain and life outside of the city. What Britain needs are more educated, resourceful people with diplomatic skills, not more gun obsessed underage hooligans.
Richard, Luxembourg,
Cadets don't generally appeal to yobs but to boys who are well-behaved, a bit dreamy, and not good enough at sports or academic work to channel their ambitions in those directions. However that's the type of boy who can really lose out at a poor comprehensive.That there are only 60 cadet forces for them in the state system is a disgrace.
Malcolm McLean, Bradford, UK
I see nothing wrong as such for cadet training in schools but I fear that Labour and Gordon Brown are just after more cannon fodder since recruitment is at an all time low and attrition at an all time high. With New Labour, you always have to look behind the facade as nothing is as it seems and they cant be trusted.
Mike, Alicante, Spain
i went to a comprehensive school and joined up to the sea cadet corps for 5 years .During school it opened my eyes to the world also gave me self discipline taught me to iron and cook and look after myself also taught me about how important team work and self discipline is in the real world i also learn to respect my elders and people in authority i don't think its done me any harm about time that the gov gave the cadet corps some backing as they are way underfunded and units all across the uk are in a very poor state of repair.
it also let me partake in outward bound events that the school did not partake in and other events associated with the cadet forces.
Ii dont think people realise what cadet forces actually do and more needs to be done to show what they do actually do
Paul Sloper, gillingham, dorset
Benefits of military training far outweigh the cons. Fitness, discipline and confidence are but a few of these, especially considering what the kids of today seem to be able to get away with at schools. Teaching them to use weapons? this is unlikely to increase gun crime - weapons are easy to use anyway, its the disciplined, safe use that will set aside military training from gang warfare. It definately important that the army's image is improved - as it is the army that everyone will look to help them when we are thrown into a time of international crisis. Just remember, it wasnt the army that decided to go to Iraq - it was the government, so dont blame the army. A very small minority of people in the army have misbehaved, allowing the media to milk these opportunities and tarnish the reputation (think about the small minority of civilians who misbehave and end up in prison - you wouldnt say 'all humans are bad' because of this, would you?).
Alex, Southampton, England
My mate Godwin has it on good authority that these new troops will be nicknamed 'Brownshirts'
Avana Beach, London, UK