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Caitlin Moran
Government guidelines on health rarely reflect what is actually advisable or
dangerous. The official pronouncement on exercise is that we should try to
manage half an hour a day – when, clearly, we need to do more. The “five a
day” fruit and vegetable initiative is roughly half of what we really need,
and, in an act of abject cowardice, includes that well-known fresh
vegetable, baked beans.
So when the Government announced the new “zero intake” guidelines it could mean anything. I would guess that it means “the odd drink here and there is all right, but the only way we can stop some pregnant mothers from having Carling on their cornflakes is by pretending they shouldn’t drink at all, so here’s this figure that the BMA doesn’t agree with in the slightest”.
On the other hand, given previous, random guidelines figures, it might very well mean we should drink more. With a chaser of baked beans. Who knows?
Personally, despite drinking like a fish before I was pregnant, I found that each of my pregnancies was marked by boking like a dog at the thought of a bevvy, so natal alcohol abuse was never an issue. After they were born, however, I became a borderline alcoholic. In the six months after my first daughter arrived I drank more than I ever have in my life – a combination of wellwishers with champagne, depression, boredom and the soporific effects that champagney breast milk has on fractious newborns.
Still, I’m sure there will be government guidelines on postnatal alcohol intake soon enough. And some more baked bean updates.
Carol Midgley
When I was newly pregnant the thought of not drinking for the next nine months
seemed more daunting to me than the prospect of climbing Mount Kilimanjaro.
Without legs.
I’d read all the scary articles and become suitably neurotic – but how could I get through summer without extra cold lager, my drink of choice?
Then I began to get conspiratorial nudges from other women who’d had babies before. “Oh, for God’s sake,” they’d say. “Everybody has a few. Just don’t drink spirits.” One, 17 years older than me, confessed that in the Eighties it had been the custom among her friends to go out together and get “s***faced” a week before the baby was due. Well, there’d be no time once it was born, would there?
After trying and dismissing nonalcoholic beers – a pleasure-free as well as alcohol-free experience – I started to allow myself two halves of draught lager (it’s weaker) once or twice a week. If I attended a wedding, I’d have a glass of champagne. It tasted like nectar. I’m too much of a worrier to have ever drunk more than that (the official guidance at the time) and would guiltily compensate by eating industrial amounts of broccoli the next day.
This new zero tolerance of alcohol is too harsh for mothers-to-be who already face a battery of dread rules about what they should avoid – even ready-washed, bagged salad. If the health police aren’t careful, they’ll make pregnant women too terrified to breathe. And that wouldn’t do the baby much good either.
Alex O’Connell
How dare the Government try to take one of the few pleasures of pregnancy away
from me – coming home from work and having a glass of plonk before crashing
out in exhausted abandon. What next? A ban on Top-shop maternity wear (too
pretty for you elephants!) and pop songs with a complicated bass riff (too
noisy for baby)?
Apparently women are “confused” about what constitutes too much drink. How filthily patronising. I gave birth to my second daughter three weeks ago. Three months in I started to drink four small glasses of wine a week, max, which is what the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists recommends. I was acutely aware of when I might exceed that limit. Pregnant women know what it means to take a risk – that’s probably how they got in that state in the first place. And we’re also good with figures; we can even count from one to 40 weeks. Imagine!
Sarah Vine
Why does it always have to be the lowest common denominator that sets the
standard? Just because a few women drink too much during pregnancy, the rest
of us have to suffer. This is the nanny state at its worst.
As it happens, I did drink a bit while I was pregnant – the occasional half-glass of red wine with dinner. So far, my children appear to be perfectly normal – well, insofar as they can be, being mine. I did, on the other hand, mainline chocolate, something that I am certain was far more detrimental to my health than a few glasses of red wine. By the end of my second pregnancy I was chugging down at least one large slab of Green & Black’s per day, if not two. As a result I put on far too much weight – weight that not only affected my mood postnatally (low self-esteem etc) but also put massive stress on my back.
As in the rest of life, moderation is the key. It was bad enough having to put up with busybodies (often male) frowning self-righteously as I sipped my precious Merlot; now they’ll have carte blanche to tut-tut. And that really isn’t helpful.
Helen Rumbelow
In some ways the government guidelines on alcohol are a welcome relief. OK, so
they actually constitute lying to us and mean that we’ll never trust their
medical advice in quite the same way again (you won the MMR debate by
sticking to the science – and now this?) But still, better a lying
government than a neurotic pregnant woman. You know, the ones folornly
picking fish flakes out of the stew (toxins), putting a downer on Christmas
Day after grandma tried to kill the foetus by serving chocolate mousse
(salmonella), and buying eBay high chairs from a “smoke-free home”
(self-righteousness).
Because with the freedom to decide what’s best for yourself also comes worrying. More worrying than you thought possible. Because of this I think the government guidelines should go a lot farther. It’s good that they’ve said don’t drink in pregnancy. They should extend this to all drinks, including water. And don’t eat anything either. Nil by mouth is the way, if you want to be really safe.
Alexandra Blair
It is the modern dilemma of any pregnant woman: to drink or not to drink? When
one friend brightly asked whether I’d like a glass of wine at a dinner party
recently, I was the only one of three to answer gratefully, yes.
Just one, with dinner. There’s only so much Schloer and mineral water a girl can drink. I’m not allowed, nor am eating, peanuts, soft cheese, pâté, raw or cured meat, nor even to drink coffee, so can one glass of fermented grape juice really hurt?
But in spite of the advice from midwives and the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists that one or two glasses once or twice a week does no harm, the disapproval is tangible. Perhaps that is why my husband has taken to being my public conscience and breaking the inevitable silence to say: “Oh dear, that’s one less GCSE for the poor thing.”
Baby books and magazines are certainly stricter. When the panic sets in that I have been a selfish mother, prepared to put her baby at risk of failing its SATs or a place at Oxford, I turn to my mother for sanity.
Like many of her generation, she drank alcohol during her pregnancy because she knew no better. She did not get drunk, nor did she drink wine, because it made her feel sick, just gin. As she points out, it did me no harm.
Although some might disagree, and I do occasionally wonder whether it brought about my total lack of a sense of direction, I would never have begrudged her a glass.
During a weekend in Ireland recently, my saving was the discovery of nonalcoholic beer. Becks was my tipple of choice, and though it raised a few eyebrows as I weaved my way back from the bar, I felt far more part of the crowd and it tasted just like the real thing to my insensitive tastebuds.


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Nine months is an incredibly short time to be denied the pleasures of alcohol. Is it not worth the sacrifice to eliminate the risks that may be associated with drinking whilst pregnant. We appear to live in a society where the value of life comes second to our own desires and self indulgence.
J Walker, bath,
21 years ago, as I had no idea I might be pregnant, I drank socially at numerous parties and functions. The pregnancy wasn't confirmed until I was well over 4 months' pregnant. Two friends also found themselves in the same situation. We were all so worried about our fairly generous wine consumption that we had to have a glass or two (actually it was more like three or four glasses) of home-made wine just to console ourselves. Yes, we continued to enjoy our wine all through our pregnancies and - surprise, surprise - all three babies were strong, healthy, and have grown up to be very intelligent women!
Anne, Charlton Marshall, Dorset
I AM AGAINST DRINKING EVERY PART OF THE LIFE IT IS HARMFUL FOR EVERYONE ESPECIALLY BABIES THEY DO NOT DESIRE THIS BADNESS
GOKCE, ISTANBUL, TURKEY
I must say, being 15 weeks pregnant, I have had a couple of glasses of wine and don't plan on having any more, apart from maybe a glass of champagne on my 30th birthday which is coming up.
I do find it pretty insulting to suggest that we are all too stupid to know whether or not we drink too much, but I also understand that people are trying to emphasise the potential damage that unborn babies could suffer.
I find it very narrow minded, all-encompassing and completely patronising of Robyn from the Isle of Man to call the 'entire' United Kingdom (actually it says Untied) stupid and ignorant. I think that the only valid point she made was that worldwide research should be considered.
Sarah Turner, Kent,
I personally can not believe the stupidity and ignorance of the entire Untied Kingdom. I come from Canada where not drinking while pregnant is the norm as everyone knows the dangers alcohol does to an unborn child. As alcohol is the only thing that passes freely through the placenta you are better off doing heroin or crack while pregnant than drinking. England needs to look at the research on Foetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder from the rest of the world and wake up the fact that this is the leading cause of brain damage in the world. I can not believe a country that once ruled a large part of the world could be so ignorant. If the English people want to continue to deny that there are many damaged children already in existence with FASD who probably have been diagnosed with ADHD. Get with the rest of the world England, alcohol damages unborn children, it is nothing new and it is backed by years of medical research.
Robyn, Douglas, Isle of Man
When I was pregnant, we were actively encouraged by nurses and midwives to drink stout - Guiness or Mackesons, a good source of iron. I think this zero tolerance is unhelpful, as it doesn't really tackle the women who do have a drink problem. Moderation in all things. But after all, it is over 30 years since I was last pregnant, so what do I know?
Janet Chambers, Matlock, Derbyshire
Alcohol is not totally bad. In fact doctors recommend a glass of red wine because of the iron content... but hold on.... im sure there is lots of iron in vegetables.
I haven't had a child, I'm only 21 and being a student on Erasmus year I drink like a fish! But when I am pregnant I won't drink at all. It will be my decision when I want to have a child and I want the healthiest child. I will do everything for the person growing inside me. So I guess if that means not having a drink in 9 months, then so be it.
Ashley Norman, Salamanca, Spain
While I sympthise with the views of your columnists, I have to say that my own reaction is more succinct. Although at past forty it is looking less likely that I will now give my daughter a sibling, I will in any case accord the new government guideline exactly the same treatment as all other unsolicited advice from a dubious source, and ignore it.
Amanda Forsyth, Edinburgh,
Given that is a significant rise in SEN children, who will be causing more disruption to mainstream schools in future, I think that it is only right that some of these irresponsible binge drinking women who get 'caught out' should have the riot act read to them. The bill for their irresponsibility is being picked up by all of us and it is just not right.
Judy , Liverpool, england
Not knowing any better, I continued my normal consumption of alcohol during my first pregnancy. Strangely enough the baby was not born with foetal alcohol syndrome, and went on to have an IQ of 174 (like all extremes, not particularly desirable or beneficial, but unlikely to be a result of my irresponsible drinking habits).
Jessy, West Midlands,
I am pregnant with my second child and gave up drinking for both my pregnancies. I really cannot understand why not drinking is such a big deal. Is alcohol such an important part of people's lives that a suggestion to give it up for 9 months out of a potential legal drinking lifetime of 50+ years such a problem. I think the reality is we just don't know what the safe limit for alcohol is and it is not the mother who is being asked to take the risk its the baby who has no choice in the matter. Perhaps if people got beyond the kneejerk -I don't want to be told what to do- and thought things through they would recognised that what is being said is that the Government doesn't know what the safe limit is so rather than giving false comfort by setting guidelines that suggest a safe limit is known you are given the information and a recommendation and allowed to make your own choice.
Chaz, London , UK
How our generation of 50 somethings ever got born in the first place is a miracle.......today pregnant women are told to avoid this soft cheeses, those certain vegetables, the other certain meats and God only knows what else, but our grandmothers and mothers ate and drank sensiibly and now some of us are Captains of Industry, run the country and etcs and as far as I am aware, we seem to have all the correct body parts and wired brains. Everyting in moderation and application of that missing component in today's life COMMON SENSE. I pity today's young women -they are assailed from all sides. Try telling prospective fathers to abstain in ths same way and see what happens then.........
Liz Brown, Montmartin en Graignes, France