Lewis Smith, Environment Reporter
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The oceans are losing the capacity to soak up rising man-made carbon emissions, which is increasing the rate of global warming by up to 30 per cent, scientists said yesterday.
Researchers have found that the Southern Ocean is absorbing an ever-decreasing proportion of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. The excess carbon, which cannot be absorbed by the oceans, will remain in the atmosphere and accelerate global warming, they said.
The reduced ability to absorb carbon is thought to be a result of high winds acting on ocean currents bringing deeper waters that already contain high levels of carbon to the surface.
The higher winds are themselves believed to have been caused by climate change due to a combination of changes in the ozone layer and carbon emissions.
The scientists from countries including Britain, France and Germany, said their findings marked the first time that one of the world’s natural “carbon sinks” had been shown to be weakened by Man’s own actions.
Ian Totterdell, a climate modeller at the Met Office Hadley Centre, described the research as “an important piece of work”.
He said: “This is the first time we have been able to get convincing evidence that a change in the uptake of CO2 by the oceans is linked to climate change.
“It’s one of many feedbacks we didn’t expect to kick in until some way into the 21st century.”
While a reduction in absorption rates by carbon sinks has long been forecast, the discovery that the Southern Ocean is mopping up less of Man’s carbon emissions has come at least two decades earlier than expected.
The Southern Ocean is the world’s biggest marine carbon sink and accounts for 15 per cent of all the carbon taken out of the atmosphere. Temperatures are already predicted to rise by almost 1.5C (2.7F) by the middle of the century, without taking into account any further emissions caused, for example, by the rapid construction of fossil fuel power plants in China and India.
The weakening of the Southern Ocean’s absorption rates– which could be in the range of 5 to 30 per cent– is likely to result in an increase in the rate at which temperatures rise, scientists say.
“This is serious,” said Corinne Le Quéré, of the University of East Anglia (UEA) and the British Antarctic Survey (BAS), two of the world’s leading environmental research centres. “This is the first time that we’ve been able to say that climate change itself is responsible for the saturation of the Southern Ocean sink. “With the Southern Ocean reaching its saturation point more CO2 will stay in our atmosphere. Since the early 1980s the carbon sink hasn’t changed. In the same period the emissions have gone up by 43 per cent.”
Dr Le Quéré led a team measuring atmospheric carbon dioxide, which found that, despite this rise in emissions since 1981, the quantity absorbed by the ocean was static.
Since the industrial revolution an estimated 500 giga-tonnes of carbon dioxide has been released into the atmosphere through the use of fossil fuels, cement manufacture and changes in land use.
About a quarter of this has been absorbed by the oceans and a further quarter taken up by vegetation.
The research, published in Science, identified changes in wind patterns caused by climate change as being the direct cause of the weakened ability to absorb carbon dioxide.
While able to pinpoint the hole in the ozone layer and carbon emissions as the man-made causes of the increased winds, the researchers were unable to identify which of them had the greater effect.
The net quantity of carbon dioxide absorbed by the Southern Ocean remained at 0.3 billion tonnes a year from 1981 to 2004, according to calculations by the research team.
In 1981 it absorbed 0.6 billion tonnes from the atmosphere but emitted 0.3 billion tonnes back into it. In 2004 it absorbed 0.8 billion tonnes but emitted 0.5 billion tonnes. In the report they said that climate models project more intense Southern Ocean winds if CO2 levels continue to increase over the next century.
The researchers accepted there were limits to the data available from the Southern Ocean and that “the magnitude of the CO2 sink is heavily disputed”.
Professor Chris Rapley, director of BAS, said uncertaintities remained, but the findings were “a serious concern”.
He said the reduced efficiency of the ocean to act as a carbon sink would make it harder to reduce emissions to levels that were low enough to limit temperature rises to 2C.
Like the smokers who promises to quit the habit, we procrastinate we renege
We have adopted a global Osterige stance.
Unwillingness to accept climate change culpability, and industrial constraints, for the mitigation of global warming, has led to radical uncertainty
Global economic growth must keep pace with a global environmental policy that would allow for long term sustainable adaptations.
Itâs marked that as we begin to understand the limitâs to the known universe, we fail to understand the limits of the very planet we depend on for our survival.
philip clarkson, naxxar, malta
The most unfortunate thing about people's ignorance is that WHEN a catastrophy happens it does not apply darwinian theory to the victims. Any truly informed person will tell you that global warming is a reality. Do you people even research who backs the research to the contrary?! Steven Milloy and junk science? Here's a guy who is a paid advocate for Phillip Morris, ExxonMobil and other corporations. Where do you people think his interests lie? Really... I mean if you want to believe WWF wrestling do it on your own time and expense. When you read stuff from newpapers and internet look at the interests behind the sources before claiming it's true. The interests behind global warming are solely in the interest of humanity. There isn't much money in it. The interests in not believing it is for the pockets of myoptic idiots, but the COSTS will be to everyone on the planet.
Voltaire, Walnut Creek, CA
Climate fluxuation has been going on for thousands of years. The Vikings were farming Greenland at one time and there was NO Persian Gulf in Bibilical times.... I think that was before cars and light bulbs. In the 70's it was the impending ice age and so on. The sun is always in a state of flux which affects our climate. It's the height of arrogance to think that we can make a lot of impact on the sun spots. I believe we should do what we can to be good stewards of the earth and not be wasteful, but this new "Global Warming Religion" has many prominent scientists that are not on board.
Jean, San Mateo, CA
What tripe - In the seventies it was an impending ice age .
We have had periods where the earth has been up to 5 C warmer (and more) and the atmospheric CO2 much higher than it is now - polar bears appear to have survived OK - this is according to the ice record.
Pure propaganda rubbish promoted by the many kakistocracies
Joe Orton, oxford, UK
"Rapid rise in global warming is forcast." Yeah, I call it summer. But seriously, the earth goes through these natural stages anyway. At the rate we're releasing green house gases we shouldn't be so worried. I also agree with what Henning said. The conclusion doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense. Here, this is an interesting read.
http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2007/05/30/junk-science-hot-air-study-melts-global-warming-theory/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fstory%2F0%2C2933%2C275267%2C00.html&frame=true
Brent, Franklin, TN, USA
this results are dificult to understand. More wind and intens mixing of air and seawater should normally enhance CO2 absorption in sea water. Is there antisipated any change in the solubility of CO2 in seawater, i.e that the Henry constant for CO2 is reduced? I find the conclutions very dificult to accept. It would be nice if someone ot the researcher could comment my views.
Henning Reier-Nilsen, Oslo , Norway
Those who conveniently highlight the sun as the main culprit seem to be ignoring the solar indicators. Actual peer-reviewed research (vs. the manipulated rubbish found on contrarian websites) indicates average warming has strengthened over the last few decades, in the absence of an upward trend in average solar activity (or a correlative trend in cosmic rays, the latest overblown natural forcing theory).
As for "the models" (of which there are several types, despite blanket statements often made about them), they do tend to be tested and validated. Certainly they're not perfect, and are more error-prone at high resolutions/when dealing with complex regional climates, but they are valuable indicators. See #1 at http://globalwarmingtruth.org/
Harry N, Springfield, Oregon, USA
Almost every week or so we learn that global warming is accelerating. All mainstream climatologists now agree this is manmade and increasingly dangerous. We run the very real risk of crossing a threshold beyond which we will be able to do nothing to prevent our extinction.
An added factor is our defective societal system, under which we have never solved even one of our societal problems. We must dispense with this system and adopt one that allows to solve our societal problems. Of which global warming is the major one at the moment.
This is all as explained in my book on Global Warming, "The Biblical Flood: Global Warming & Bush's Havest".
William W Morgan, Hai Phong, Vietnam
You know, I think sometimes that the pop culture of the 1960s was very bad for the U.S. The only thing that seemed to stick was a reaction against science and a relativistic view of the truth. So if Americans hear something they would prefer to believe (Saddam was responsible for 9/11) or deny (the scientific consensus on global warming is overwhelming) they simply go all hippy-dippy and decide based on what they "feel." We have an entire misinformation industry to serve this sophistry, from Deepak Chopra to Sean Hannity. In the case of global warming, the misinformation is very well funded for obvious reasons. To Americans, what they choose to believe about such matters is just another commodity, without any real connection to anything.
If you're actually confused and looking for answers, I suggest you check out:
http://mediamatters.org/action_center/global_warming/
Eric Knorr, San Francisco, CA
Well, one good link deserves another. And there is nothing at all new from the alarmists here except their usual sneers and blind faith in the spinners of unverifiable models, which stems from their eagerness to shut down industrial civilization.
The following link takes you to a website that summarizes a tremendous amount of peer reviewed science on every facet of the global warming issue - and debunks every little piece of it. Most of the scientists whose work is summarized would classify themselves as believers in the supposed crisis, but each sees some problems with one or another facet of the nonsense.
So go to www.co2science.org , and click on "Subject Index" and see the thousands (by now, and adding all the time) of studies that contradict each and every link of the global warming apocalypse.
While there is no doubt that rising CO2 in the atmosphere has a little warming effect, it is little, with little to show from net amplifying feedbacks.
Ralph M., Findlay, Ohio
More AGW hysteria. What we have here is a conclusion "wind patterns are decreasing the oceans ability to absorb excess co2" buit on an assumption "increasing co2 is effecting climate". It is a FACT that it has NOT been proven that co2 increases effect climate in any measurable way. To base a conclusion on an unproven conjecture is just bad science. More alarmist rhetoric from the AGW faithful.
BTW, you can't have it both ways. The Ozone whole is shrinking because climate alarmists demanded action be taken to make it shrink (CFC's anyone). Now they don't know if the shrinking Ozone whole (which would have a measureable and more proveable effect) or increased co2 (an assumption) is having a greater effect on WEATHER, which of course AGW faithful have been telling us for a decade has nothing to do with climate (stupid). The oceans ability to absorb co2 ALWAYS decreases with warming temperatures. Blaming something we know happens on a conjecture, does not make it factual.
Mike, Charlotte, NC / USA
To Joe Kemec
1998 was a sharp peak year related to an exceptional El Nino. Using it as a baseline to support the idea (a la Linzen) that AGW stopped, is invalid. The warming trend continues - after every other theory predicting an imminent cooling reverse has failed to materialize.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Instrumental_Temperature_Record.png
Your follow-on statement, about the name change, has nothing to do with any 'realization' - it has to do with consequence and impact.
To Mr. Peteee
If the issue is redefined as Illinois Warming Spring 2007, your cold spell may be important. In the long-term global context of the global air-condiitoning system breaking down, it is not. The bigger and longer picture urges reconsideration of your concluding sentence.
Any saturation or disruption of a major carbon sink should be considered unwelcome news.
S Church, Toronto,
"Is there a creative way of feeding this excess carbon dioxide to plants to regrow forested areas and oceans?"
Restoration of our soils by well understood and proven 'organic' means could sequester all excess CO2 in a surprisingly short time. See Allen C. Yeomans .. Priority One Together We can Beat Global Warming ... free pdf download at http://www.yeomansplow.com.au/priority-one-contents.htm
Gerald Brittell, Lancaster, Virginia, USA
I am sorry, aren't these the people who are in effect, weathermen? These idiots cant figure out what tomorrows weather will be and I am supposed to take their word about this or more importantly, the cause of this.
If tomorrow all of mankind reduced the CO2 in the atmosphere 90% the climate ofthe earth would still get warmer. It has happened 6 or 7 times before and this is just the cycle coming around again. If you dont believe me ask yourself this. Why did the planet warm and cool before? I dont remember seeing any Dinosaur cars or factories.
Finally, as far as the people who complain about the US and what energy hogs we are and how evil we are, I have this to ask; What have you done to reduce global warming? Stopped driving a car have you? Installed solar panels? Stopped buying foods that were produced more than one hour away? Dont buy any things that were produced in another country? No? Then shut your trap.
People in glass houses and all of that.
Dan , Frederick , US
The ubiquitous climate models is becoming extremely irritating. All climate models should be named and their software and the input data made public by law. The proprietary concerns and I suspect the BS factor has motivated those who own the patents on the software to refuse their publication. Given that the world is considering setting up a world government structure to vet every use of energy by humanity through a system of carbon trading that functionally will accomplish every item on the Marxist agenda one might think that there would be some small outrage somewhere in the world at scientific fascists in service of international world socialism. Global Warming is the biggest power grab in the history of the world primarily driven by media control, however the comments made publicly by scientists to the effect that: yes is regrettable that we have to lie and inflated the data by the purpose is moral is disgustingly arrogant and those who do so should be jailed.
Kelly, Aspen, USA
<em>I still believe that the main culprit of global warning is the timber industry which is responsible for the massive destruction of trees in the world. It doesn't take much more than a passing familiarity with elementary biology to know that trees mop up carbon dioxide and release oxygen through photosynthesis. Why then in heaven's name, are we chopping them down so indiscriminately if we're so worried about global warming?
Dr.Nicholas Lee, Windsor, UK
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I have to seriously question whether you are a true "doctor" or not because the truth is that there are more trees on earth now than there were even 50 years ago. Trees are grown specifically for the timber and paper industries, so as they cut them down, they also replant for 20-30 years later. Besides, as the article stats, "plants" only soak up a smaller percentage than oceans, and trees only make up a small percentage of all "plants. Use some basic logic, it's not just less trees, especially since it's not true...
Robert, phoenix, az
At the end of the story "Professor Chris Rapley, director of BAS, said uncertaintities remained, but the findings were a serious concern."
The writer is negligent in not noting specifics about linking to more details on the study so that one can judge. Too many scare stories are touted to give any credence without at least a mildly convincing explanation.
For example: climate models are not supposed to be able to correctly account for clouds, which climatologists believe to impact temps greatly.
This is only one factor that makes the climate models were supposed to have faith in unrelieable. In the long ago(!) initial Kyoto agreement this was acknowleded.
A courteous skeptic
Mike, North Chicago, USA/Illinois
The problem with the Left is that you have cried wolf far too often. Everything corporate is bad; everything government is good. All problems are because of corporate greed. You change definitions to suit your points of view. You incrementally try to slip things through legislations and when that doesn't work you go to court. And the shrillness... Oh my - you couldn't sell steak to a starving man. (And of course, you wouldn't sell steak because, according to Left mantra teachings - steak is ba-a-a-a-d.)
Give me one good reason that I should believe the hysterical, lock-step thinking, brown-shirt thug-mugging of the Environmentalists - who are among the worst of the bunch.
Just one.
Harry
harry, Chatsworth, USA / CA
I would just like to make one point the article doesn't. CO2 only blocks a certain range of frequencies in the spectrum; it's not a wall trapping all energy. Nor does it even trap all the infra-red. At some concentration, the additional CO2 will not trap any more energy, so it's not like we're going to end up like Venus with a atmosphere that traps most of the heat in. Each additional ton of CO2 has less of an effect as the last. The truth is that the ocean not sopping up more of that CO2 is a good thing for the corals that the carbolic acid would destroy. Catastrophe this is not; even if I agree we should stop burning fossil fuels.
Mike, New York, New York
Vertingotorix: so, please compare and contrast the contributions of US vs EU-educated citizenry to human advancement over the past 50 years. The US education system leaves much to be desired, but I don't see any beacons of enlightenment emanating from across the pond. Especially from the UK or France.
martin, wash dc,
97% of "greenhouse gasses" is water vapor. So we are concerned about less than 3% of all greenhouse gas. CO2 accounts for about 60% of that remaining 3% or about about 2% of the total amount of greenhouse gas. Nature accounts for most of the CO2 in the atmosphere so we are down to about 1% of atmospheric CO2 attributable to mankind.
The global warming hystrionics would be fun to watch if it wasn't just a lust for cash among the "scientist-reaserchers" and a lust for control by central governments. The world's climate has always changed, it will always change. If mankind could ever control the climate, cooling is much more dangerous than warming.
A cooler Earth brings death.
Elmer, Perth
Elmer, Perth,
The question is not whether we have global climate change. ALL we've ever had is global climate change.
The question is whether climate is headed in a direction that is 1) catastrophic and 2) avertible through directed human actvity. The jury is out on that question, but that hasn't stopped political types whose arguments for power based on economics floundered from turning to The Threat of Global Warming as their last, best hope for taking charge.
In '75, as a young science editor, I read a scholarly article that said we'd just enjoyed a 60-year stretch of the mildest, most constant weather in the entire Holocene and would be gradually entering a more normal pattern of hotter summers and colder winters. Global warming would be preferable; at least folks from Juneau to Toronto to Stockholm to Saint Petersburg would prosper. But neither scenario is the basis for giving Al Gore any authority.
Charlie Tips, Flower Mound, Tx, USA
You deniers make me sick. When the entire earth is covered in water and you have no where left to go, I wonder if you'll be scoffing at global warming? Look at the bright side though, for a few years, Antarctica will be open for building houses.
leftandproud, san francisco, USA
it´s funny for me the comments about that in all planet happen the same after all. ok, then, let´s destroy our planet cos it will happen anyway!!!!
Willy, Madrid, Spain
Global Warming was not caused by man alone as it is cyclical. It happens after every ice age. Humankind in this generation will have to get used to a little warmer weather and adapt. And then when the next ice age comes again, humankind will adapt again. And it will be like this for eons and eons.
People will migrate north and learn to live farther inland and away from the shores in years to come. And in generations to come we will migrate south and move where ever we want to because that's what we do best.
I was driving from Sacramento to Reno a few weeks ago and saw hundreds of wind turbines dotting the hillsides. And every one was shut down sitting idle. The explanation given to me was, "Birds were flying into the blades and killing themselves". I say, "Let them adapt and learn to fly around them and adjust to their new environment, just like we will have to adapt to ours". It's nothing new. Humankind has been doing it for hundreds and hundreds of years.
Rich Ferris, Indianapolis, Indiana
So long as solar activity continues to play havoc with our climate, the greeniacs will claim that the changes are due to carbon dioxide emissions. This is akin to claiming that changing the 3-point line in basketball is the reason that more home runs are being hit in major league baseball these days. Yes, the two are concurrent; no, there is no relationship between the two events -- other than that players in both sports are getting bigger and stronger. Or it is like saying that illegal immigration is responsible for the stock market's bullish run during the Bush Administration and not the tax cuts.
Duggan Flanakin, Austin, Texas USA
Climate variability is a natural process; it is controlled by a number of natural and more recently anthropogenic variables such as solar activity, carbon stores, atmospheric and oceanic circulation as well as volcanicity. The issue of contemporary climate change and the impact of anthropogenic activity is real and should be a necessity in government policy because whether the change in climate is natural or not; the impact is much more severe to today's society, economy and environment because of how developed the world is and the catastrophic impacts that will happen. It cannot be denied that the natural variability is occuring more rapidly as a result of increased anthropogenic activity and to save the world we live in, it must be taken seriously - regardless of the how the media chooses to 'hype' it up.
This issuse is no longer somebody else's problem, and those too ignorant to take responsibility while they can will live to pay the consequences much sooner than they expect.
Rebecca, London, England
All you aare doing is causing an alarm situation. We are not causing the global warming. the link is higher sun temperatures. the steps the western world are taking helps al little, 1% at best. We cannot control the temp. rise. Nature does what it wants and dont ask us if its OK!
Bob, Middle island, NY
The right in America, using corporately funded (& therefore compromised) bodies, such as the Advancement of Sound Science Coalition (TASSC), have become increasingly irrelevant & tiresome in their attempts to cast doubt on, & disparage every piece of scientific analysis that contradicts their bizarre claims. One only has to take a look at the amount of finacial backing given to groups such as the TASSC by petroleum & tobacco companies like Philip Morris to see how they are little more than corporate pawns. Their soul purpose is to cast doubt in the public mind on scientific issues which threaten their vested interests. The demand for "Sound Science", such a misleading term in the hands of US right, is little more than a thinly disguised attempt to prevent government action on issues of major concern to the whole planet. These are the same people who tried to terminate funding to the immensely valuable (remember the 2004 tsunami?) US Geological Survey in the 1990s-Sound Science indeed!
Rudi, London, UK
The planet has been changing since day one..... for millions of years, yet somehow it's now mans fault.
Most of the planets existence, it couldn't support the life it has on it now. It's naive to think it will be able to forever.
Evidence is everywhere we're told, yes evidence that the planet continues to change.
Who decided that 100 years ago was going to be called the ideal temp and now it's gone up a half a degree and so we are "warming".
Who is to say that warmer is really the norm? As we come out of an ice age.
Does any of you believers understand that the solution is to restrict the US and steal their money giving it out to third world thugs?
Why don't people put their engergy into freeing the non free on this planet from corruption and tyranny, instead they buy into any crisis.
People really are idiotic and such believes in "end of the world" scenerios, pathetic weak minded followers.
Tim, Simi Valley, USA
it is encouraging to see that people who believe in global warming
do read, because it is obvious they can't think
This "controversy" reminds me of Chicken Little meets the Boy Who
Cried Wolf
the tempature has gone up 1 degree F (.6 C) and you guys are
ready to shut down the world economy and starve the underdeveloped
third world
bravo !!
how about the warming found on titan, jupiter, mars, and even pluto
(must be SUVs)
study after study shows that CO2 is a lagging, not leading, indicator
of tempature
this is one of those debate where, the more information comes out, the
more the proponents look like fools
regards
mackinacnick
mackinacnick, mackinac, il, us
All of these articles, and following commentaries, have a sadly predictable pattern.
Its all the Americans fault!
Never mind that by years end, the largest emitter of Carbon Dioxide gasses will be China.
That in the next 10-15 years, new coal fired plants already being planned by China will emit more CO2 than every car in America combined.
That India is growing perhaps even faster than China.
And that both countries are entirely exempt from Kyoto. Likewise they are exempt from any criticism.
IF all the scientists are exactly correct about climate change, you could shut the US down tomorrow every car, factory, power plant and household, and China and India would take up the slack in 20 years.
In the US, the population is made doubly skeptical by the voices advocating relief. Al Gore and Laurie David (to name two), live immensely profligate lifestyles with multiple homes and personal jets. Gores home in Nashville alone uses 20 times the average Americans.
Steve, Palm Beach, USA
I read just yesterday that Mars is also undergoing global warming - indicated by shrinking polar caps. This seems to support a growing number of skeptics of the anthropoligical cause of global warming who suggest that increased solar radiation and a decrease in cloud cover, caused by a corresponding decrease in cosmic radiation, could be the major influence of climate change. Or perhaps someone snuck a bunch of SUV's to Mars?
I have come to believe that a segment of the scientific community has discovered that funding for "interesting phenomena" is harder to obtain than funding for "impending castastrophy". I am also dismayed to see many of those who question global warming dogma, based on the science, being persecuted with a fervor that brings to mind the religious persecution Galileo and Corpernicus.
Rick Podraza, Phoenix, Arizona USA
I have searched the literature and cannot find the equation that is used to calculate the "average temperature" of the atmosphere of the entire earth. It must exist because the scientists are predicting a global warming.
I found "Temperature in non-equilibrium states: a review of
open problems and current proposals" by Casas-V´azquez and Jou, published 14 Oct 2003 in the REPORTS ON PROGRESS IN PHYSICS 66 (2003) 19372023 available to read at www.iop.org/EJ/article/0034-4885/66/11/R03/rpp3_11_R03.pdf
Depending on the equation used to calculate the "average" temperature, the earth is cooling, or warming. The great minds in their wisdom chose an average that suggests a warming. If they had used a different equation, the average would be cooling.
No international scientific body has yet ratified a definition for average temperature that also makes thermodynamic sense.
Simon E. Bode, Bath, United Kingdom
Nothing new from the naysayers here. It's all debunked many times, most recently in the current issue of New Scientist:
http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/dn11462
Hugh Campbell, Ottawa, Canada
The only reason the oceans would give off more CO2 is if the temperature of the oceans increased, or the partial pressure of CO2 in the atmosphere decreased, thereby reducing the solubilty of the CO2 in seawater.
What these researchers describe could be man made. However, it could also be due to rising temperatures from increased solar activity or other natural cyclical causes--theories attributed by many notable researchers. So, there is no proof one way or the other that this is a man made rather than natural occurrence.
Also, since the solubility of CO2 in seawater is dependent not only on temperature, but also by the partial pressure of CO2 in the atmosphere, as atmospheric CO2 increases, the solubility of CO2 in ocean water also increases, having the reverse effect argued in this research. I am not saying they are wrong. I am saying they do not really know and cannot know without more research into each of these possible causes and factors.
Julian Irby, Pensacola, Florida
I was a "Head-in-the-sand-Global-Warming-Denier"/skeptic vis-a-vis the role of CO2 but it's elementary that CO2 density in the atmosphere indeed traps heat. That being said, man's slice of the CO2 pie is but a (very) thin sliver. That being said, consider the extent of discoloration in a liter of water with a few drops of ink; or what happens to you when your body temperature rises a mere 2-3 degrees; or what happens to you when inflicted by a microscopic virus-- or to a computer program when attacked by its own type of virus; or what happens to a macroeconomy when interest rates rise a mere one percent... So one shouldn't be too dismissive of tiny increments (especially when they're linked to chain reactions). And all of that being said, while swatting an unusual amount of flies and thinking of ways to overhaul the entire garbage disposing and sewer treatment systems of the community, one shouldn't be blind to the elephant in the room (i.e. the sun).
John Lambrou, Arlington, VA
I've been researching this topic for over 2 years. I have yet to come across any studies (not computer models) showing that CO2 contributes significantly to warming. Conversely, many studies and data sets suggest that the sun is primary cause. Can someone please point me to a study showing that CO2 causes anything but plants to grow faster and healthier? I go where the data leads me.
John, West H, CT
Why is it that the general attitude seems to be that of the doubting Thomas? Well we won't believe it till we see it... I personally agree with the comments arguing that Climate change is happening. Weather patterns are shifting, and we are going to see a drastic change in the climate over the next 30 years. By the time some people wake up to this fact its liekly to be too late.
It brings to mind a philosphical argument i once came across arguing for belief and worship of God:
If he doesn't exist then you've not missed out on much by living a decent and faithful life, If he does exist then those who believed in him and worshiped him will go to heaven the rest will go to hell... So it makes sence to believe in God (Hedge your bets)
Surely better safe than sorry....Thats all im saying!
Chris, Birmingham, UK
I love the fact that 90% of the comments saying that Global warming and climate change are myths, come from Americans, who, as Simon from Lancing, West Sussex quite rightly points out "..are quick to rubbish this scientific research here - without producing any sound scientific research of their own to refute it in a coherent or conclusive way..."
Surely, any human being can see that we don't have the chance to be wrong about climate change. If we ignore the majority of scientists who say we have a major problem, and we do nothing, what do we do when it turns out they were actually right? We have no room to be wrong here, and if there's any small things we can do to try and stop climate change or slow it down to make this world a habitable place for our children, we should do so.
And shame on those that can't or wont try and make a difference because it may slightly inconvience them.
Rebecca, Oxford, UK
These 'computer models' they use cannot even demonstrate an ability to accurately predict the present using past data; why should anybody trust them to predict the future? Warmer air can hold more water vapor - the number one greenhouse gas. Not one scientist will dispute that plant life on average does far better with more warmth, more moisture and more CO2. A warmer climate promises to bring a GREENER planet and be much BETTER for all life on average; paleogeologic data suggests that this was true in the past. The global warming fear mongers have nothing but their suspect 'models' to refute such data.
Mike M, Boston, USA
A little paranoid Bruce? Nowhere in this article is the finger being pointed at 'America', infact it mentions fossil burning in China & India. Calm down dear it's only an article.
Infact there seems to be a lot of anger generated over this, and it seems to me that noone wants to admit that yes, we have scarred this planet & continue to do so at alarming rates. So for all of you that seem to think that research into the one thing that sustains our life is a waste of money, and we as a whole continue to put our heads in the sand & continue on the theory that this is just another 'natural cycle' & hope that it just sorts itself out, well I just hope I'm not around for the earth to say I told you so. I doubt it'll be very pretty.
morticia, Reading, U.K
We had Brazilian exchange students living us with now since 2001. I challenged each of them to find me ONE proven link between mankind and global warming. All they can come up with are nut jobs like the "scientists" in this article. Last week here in Ohio, it was 20 degrees above normal. This morning, it is near freezing and 20degrees below normal. Are we doomed then to bake or freeze? What a crock it all is - I predict within a decade the whole warming crowd will be exposed as frauds and the entire effort to get us exited about this non-existant "crisis" will have been proven to be no better than a hoax. By the way, global warming would be great for the US overall and really great for our Canadian friends who are forced to come to the USA each winter to escape the bitter cold. Oh, show me where the oceans are overwhelming the coastal cities - nope, there aren't any so no need to move inland yet!
Dennis Kelly, New Carlisle, USA OH
It's like a game these people are playing. One side makes ever more outrageous claims to counter the other side of the debate. The earth like anything else goes thru constant changes of ebb and flow, yin & yang or whatever you want to call it. Environmentalists are looking at every little thing they can to perpetuate their flawed view no different than an extreme fundamentalist looking for the end times and Revelations in the daily news headlines, or some wacko Islamic fundamentialist trying to get an Imam to come out of a cave by prompting a war. Reasonable people have been pushed aside by a vocal minority. Meanwhile it just makes me more determined than ever to conitinue to eat meat, drive vehicles that burn fossil fuels, smoke an occasional cigar, buy women gifts of animal skins, etc. - all in moderation of course. To the extremists of any stripe, to you I raise my middle finger.
Michael, Prague, Czech Rep
Maybe all the Americans commenting were born in Badidlyboing Idaho and will show us photographs of their local sunspots. Then we can watch them on Ruddy Hell It's Harry and Paul. I happen to live in the Baguio Philippines and the temperature here has risen around two degrees celcius over the past few years, everyone complains about it getting hotter, but many farmers still practice slash and burn farming contributing to global warming. They talk about global warming but they do not understand it or how they are contributing to it. But like many things they will find out too late when it is too hot and there is too little water left to grow their vegetables anymore
Roger, Baguio City, Philippines
should we be as concerned with Mars and all of the other planets that are warming at the same pace as earth? And can somebody please explain why the average global temperature seems to fillow the same pattern as solar intensity? I'm really confused...and oh yes...I have been reading about scientists finding entire villages and farms where the glaciers are retreating....how did they get there? Does that mean that the glaciers etc. have retreated before..? Or is it some vast conspiracy or maybe aliens that transported them there to confuse us...? And one last question that has really been bugging me...what caused the even higher global temperatures in the Medieval period...?? Aliens again, no doubt...their ships (I hear) put out more harmful carbon that all of the cows on earth...ONE SHIP! Can you BELIEVE IT??
Alex Peters, Metropolis, Idaho
Please search on Google 'The Great Global Warming Swindle'
it's an interesting Channel 4 documentary that tells the other side of the story
Chun, Grenoble, France
What is the Southern Ocean? There's the Atlantic, the Pacific, the indian...the Southern? Is this a new special body of water with the exclusive use of absorbing CO2? Cool. Can we fish?
John, Washington Twp, OH
It is incredible to see so many people ducking and diving this issue any way they can. Man made or just the Earth 'going through it's cycle; either way we are in for a terrible time, whether you like it or not. Too hot? or too cold? hundreds of millions of people are going to die very unpleasant deaths through all the disease, famine, war and mass displacement that is VERY SHORTLY on it's way. Face it now and start to prepare for the worst, or perish amongst the chaos to come. It really is as simple as that. Deal with it or die.
Humanity, in the 21st Century, bears more relation to Ostrich's than apes, both in their behaviour and brain capacity.
What a stupid animal we are!
A. Realist, London, England
Global warming "believers" here deny that there is any credible scientific opinion that observed warming is caused by factors other than human CO2 emissions, which is not true, there are many credible skeptics.
They accuse any of us who don't agree with them of denying the existence global warming.
They don't respond to any of the countervailing observations, such as behavior of temperatures, ice caps and etc. on other planets, changes in solar radiation output, natural glacial/interglacial periodicity, etc.
We who are branded as "skeptics" on global warming don't disagree with efforts to protect the environment, for the most part. We do want to see an even-handed approach to this issue.
Finally, if so many people worldwide are convinced that man is causing global warming, where are the voluntary reductions in use of fossil fuels and etc.? Seems to me that the only demand is that the US do something, basically.
Pete, Rock Hill, SC, USA
So are man-made carbon emissions also causing climate change on Mars, Venus and Neptune?
See: http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2007/05/08/neptune-news/
D S A Murray, London,
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Chris Parker Jones, sequim, US, Washington State.
Kudos to you Mr Jones. Well put.
Max, Drogheda, Ireland
The Apocalyptic Golbal Warming (AGW) believers and promoters are now having to transition to the term 'Climate Change' to maintain credulity since it is clear that nothing like what they originally predicted is happening. We now know that tropical cyclones are not getting stronger or more frequent. We now know that temps since the late 1990's have not been trending up but down. We now know that sea levels are not rising significantly. The roots of AGW, which lie in extreme environmentalism, have a noble end: cleaning the environment. But we are now seeing that AGW is eating up those goals. Ethanol is actually worse than gasoline and disrupts and damages environment and agriculture. Declining to use nuclear energy, the cleanest form of high energy, only means that messy alternatives like windmills or hydropower are more prevalent.
One of the first things that needs to happen is to delink climate hysteria from envirnomentalism. Hysteria does not serve good policy. AGW is now hysteria
hunter, Earth, USA
"It's curious that most of the Americans think (!) that Global Warming is a lie."
Well, with all the U.S. bashing on this comment section, someone from the U.S. might say in response, that on average, Americans are perhaps more educated about these issues than our European counterparts. However, I think it is we are simply more suspicious of government politicos in the "Big Science" industry (yes "big science" industries are just like the tobacco, and oil industries) that get much of their money from governments, who say; "we are here to help you, but we need to take more of your money first."
What I find funny, is that we are supposed to accept the results of "computer models" that are probably run on Microsoft's Operating Systems. I can't even get my word processor to run correctly under MS's OS, and we are supposed to alter the world based on these "computer models" which are wildly inaccurate to begin with? Thanks but no thanks...
Red, Cheyenne, Wyoming, United States of America
It amazes me that such apparent lifechanging news is hardly broadcast on national news. I have to read a newspaper to find out. Surely this sort of info should be reaching everbody!?
A Lang, Leicester, UK
midwestern cold? very mild winters over most of the last decade, a long run of very high temperatures in March 2007, followed by a cold April- symptoms of a climate in severe flux. if you haven't noticed in Illinois or Michigan you shouldn't be posting drivel
Mark , London,
The earth is just too complex to model. These "FACTS" indicated above...show me the data...show me the proof. It's all conjecture based on computer modeling. The earth is constantly changing, and history has proved this to be true. It has always adapted to change...so should we. Personally I could use a bit warmer weather.
Rod M., Belleville, MI
Gary is dead on. CO2 is a factor, but solar activity is the most plausable and more highly indicative culprit. Even if we were to double current CO2 in the atmosphere over the next 10 years, global temperature would rise about one degree. My numbers might be a little off, but the point is, CO2 is not a significant factor. To drive this home, 60 leading Canadian scientists recently submitted a report urging Prime Minister Harper to join the U.S. and withdraw from Kyoto for the reasons I outlined above and more.
Shawn Northrop, Niceville, USA/FL
They've got it all backwards. The ocean absorbs less CO2 because its warmer. Its warmer because the sun has been heating all the planets in the solar system more. Reducing man-made carbon emissions won't make a whit of difference to atmospheric or ocean temperatures.
Jon Reese, New Providence, NJ
Forgive the Americans, for they know not what they do! Living here (in the US) is a case of perpetually gazing through the looking glass.
Never have facts interfered with the beliefs or comforts of middle-Americans. Individualy, so many of them are congenitally selfish & self-centred.
They universally speak of their rights, but are seemingly oblivious of the fact that each right has attached to it, indivisibly, an obligation.
To those Cro Magnons across the US, innocent of any scientific rigour, global warming is real. Even if you don't want to believe it, because you may have to forgo your gas guzzling utility vehicle.
Fact is, 99.99% of scientists...REAL scientists...can PROVE it and overwhelmingly support the evidence.
johann, portland, USA
I really question if those reporting these findings are scientifi? A basic tenet of scientific theory is that what I find in my experiment must be reproduced by a colleague scientist somewhere else. What's interesting here is that one scientists opinion, and that's what it is since there no data to support the point, based on projections that aren't real is affirmed by other scientists who have not performed the experiment Hence, this is not a scientifically based view, it has yet to be reproduced, but a group of activist scientists opining what they think might happen. Sheesh! I think they need more to do.
Tim Freeman, Kansas City, Kansas
The "anthropogenic global warming" lobby IS wrong plain and simple! Far from being harmfull CO2 is essential for a healthy biosphere. As the earths population rises so does the need for CO2 to nurish the plant life we all need to survive. The eco lobby has used every dirty trick in the book to stifle debate and smear the opposition. the lobby has been very skillful in using and manipulating the media by planting scarey disaster stories so beloved of the media as these sell newspapers! Scientists who try to inject common sense and alternative views are denied access to funding and media platforms and smeared and threatened in the most terrible way. The REAL objective of the "eco taliban" seems to be to destroy western capitalism and western prosperity! Why would they want this? Power? Influence? Social control? Do they (eco lobby) wish to detroy capitalism to bring about some vision of a marxist/soviet workers paradise? More than likely I think it is trendy fad that will pass soon.
stephanie clague, Larnaca, cyprus
What I really like about this discussion is that the lay people have huge skepiticism about the whole gloabal warming broohaha. I will bet all day long that the average people have it right and the elites who are trying to promote all this fear are just consumed by utter rubbish ideas.
GY, Washington, DC
w.spencer, kitchener, canada, I hope you don't mind but I am adding your quote to my email signature. You have a future as a great philosopher when all of these gloom and doom global warming commit suicide, and stop exhaling carbon dioxide, because of their fear that the end is near.
Bob, Chowchilla, California
It amazes me how stupid and idiotic some of my countrymen and women can be. They ignore the preponderance of evidense and think it's a massive conspiracy because their puny intellects can't fathom the truth that mankind is having a detrimental effect on our environment.
It doesn't matter what it's called: Global Warming, Climate Change, Whatever. As individuals, what we do or don't do may seem inconsequential, but there are over 6 billion of us now, and the scales do NOT balance out.
Every year, we make progress towards better understanding how nature works. It is normal for there to be some fluctuations, but not like what is happening now.
I live in L.A. where the weather used to be very reliable. Summer started in late June and continued through late September / early October. Now, the only thing predictable is that each year will be unlike the previous.
It's not that every year will be hotter than the last, it's that the trend is hotter and the norm is extreme.
Cam, Los Angeles, USA
Why do you think we have not detected any other inteligent beings in the universe? Because none of them is inteligent enough to avoid the destruction of its planet.
We are doomed.
Hua Lu, London, UK
One of the following is true: 1. The earth's climate is cooling; or 2. The earth's climate is staying the same; or 3. The earth's climate is warming. Number 2 is plainly wrong. The panic mongers are peddling # 3. These warming advocates have a history of telling any lie that will advance their dream of bigger and bigger government, which is to say less and less freedom. So even when, and if, they tell the the truth, no one can accept it without skepticism. So let's have the statistical analysis. There must be some regression or multiple regression models that support their thesis. So how did they collect the data, how did they analyze it, and why the furtive concealment of the techniques employed? Let's see it. Let's see it now.
Richard Young, flint, mi., USA
Some of our friends from America show, with their comments, that if global warming is likely to be the problem many scientists predict then one of the biggest hinderances is likely to be the USA.
Creating by far the most CO2 emissions per head of population many of their citizens live by the curious and parochial notion that if it isn't happening yet in their own back yard then it isn't happening at all.
Every great power eventually falls. Some leave lasting legacies. Perhaps global warming and the extinction of vast swathes of the planet will be the greatest legacy of the greatest superpower known to man.
If you are not part of the solution then you may find yourself to be a massive part of the problem.
Keith, Kinlochewe,, Western Highlands, Scotland.
Yes, I guess Warren wants to drown again! The southern tip of Lousiana is slowly sinking and moving away from the mainland, a few millimeters a year. But; Its just data, its just science, better not believe it...
Markus Fleckinger, Kufstein, Tirol/Austria
Let's really go after the truth here. Global Warming is a present day version of "The King's New Clothes". There is sensationalism, suspense, the thrill of being on the edge of complete destruction, it has to be one of the best fairy tales ever. I almost wish I could stick around for the next 200 years to hear the reasons why the oceans didn't overflow California and allow Pheonix, AZ to become a seaport. You guys are great - expensive - but really great comedians! I wish I had a degree in Climatology, Cinematography, or Oceanography so I could play too.
Oh, by the way, all you climate commedians need to coordinate your stories with the outerspace people. They have started to talk about a large meteor exploding the earth within the next few hundred years. That project is going to be much more expensive than "Gobal Air Conditioning". And when the Hollywood storytellers jump onboard with the space folks all the gobal A/C funding could go by-by. Now that is a serious problem.
James Stroup, Lakeland, FL
Ok - Climate change is a fact. History proves it. We should definately adjust our lifestyles to produce less waste, which may or may not help.
We cannot count on Government for an answer - just think of their inability to do simple things. I will put my eggs in the basket of ingenunity. Given basic freedom and the ability to allocate resources with little government intervention, fellow man will provide our solutions as long as the ability to innovate has not been stifled by overreaching governments.
Rick, Truckee, CA, USA
The SKY is falling, The SKY is falling......said the CONSENSUS SCIENTISTS (not sure what sort of Science that is..CONSENSUS - especially since there is NOT a consensus when you dig deeper into the issue). Actually, Chicken Little, NOT the Consensus Scientists, said that the Sky is Falling. The Consensus Sceintists said that the Mankind is destroying the planet and creating global warming. Are these the SAME scientist who warned me of Global Cooling in the 70s???? The provided all sorts of nightmare scenarios and suggested how to keep that happening (if you do not want to snow sky in Jamica, change your ways now..etc.). Now, apparently completely wrong on Global Cooling, they are trying to warn me about Global Warming..same tactics. Of course, everytime they try to predict something (in keeping with actual vice consensual science), their predictions do not prove especially accurate. Remember the super storms due last year due to Global Warming? Storms never materialized.
Randy Stroud, Summerville, USA, South Carolina
Bloody hell you Americans are crazy. If you don't "believe" the science now, you'll probably still be saying it's all natural when the southwest dries up, the midwest turns to desert and the New Orleans is finally drowned in 100 years time.
But there are plenty of good reasons to move away from a carbon-based economy apart from fighting global warming. Not only will it re-energize your industries (which aren't all looking very healthy right now, especially the automotive manufacturers), it would also enhance your security by reducing reliance on middle-eastern oil. But unfortunately your leaders don't have this kind of vision. I suppose we end up with the politicians we deserve, eh?
Philip, Stuttgart, Germany
Interesting how the majority of climate change-sceptics expressing opinions here are Americans...
MB, Bristol, UK
I bet if there was a legitimate "consensus" taken among both scientists and the populace -- with oceanographic/atmospheric/climatological/meteorological scholars weighed in appropriately, you would find the majority, if not the VAST majority, were convinced that this man-made global warming was the bundle of trumped-up baloney we know it is.
And, of course, five or ten years from now, when the earth is obviously not going to dry up and blow away from searing heat, nobody will take to task the panic-button-pushers, the "sky is falling" crybabies -- nobody will call them out onto the carpet for their misinformed carrying on. Just like with the lethal ozone layer hole, that was most assuredly going to wipe us all out by 1985 or 1995. You'd think they'd be subdued or at least a little embarrassed after that. It never ends with the ranting, raving, faithless, lunatic, knee-jerk paranoid left and their misplaced beliefs. These are the folks who know what's best for the rest of us. Oy vay.
Biff Ulysses, Cleveland, OH
It could be the sun, but it's also obvious that CO2 emissions are having some impact - they make plants grow faster for one.
Eventually we're going to have to realize that exponential population growth is unsustainable. There are 6 billion humans on the planet. Six billion of anything is going to have some impact, even if we all just live in caves and pick berries.
Loren, USA,
i cannot understand anyone who cannot step back and look at the bigger picture. This planet Earth that we live on, the planet that mankind has played a very very small and insignificant part of and that part only very recently, has spent billions of years changing. The continents have split and moved across the planet themselves, lifeforms have flourished and then died out in regular cycles for millions of years, the oceans have raged, Volcano's have spewed Co2 into the atmosphere, Meteors have crashed into the Earths surface leaving giant craters one even causing a major event that wiped out many species of animals, the dinosaurs. During that time this planet has been warming up and cooling down on a regular basis, we are dependent on a great ball of fire not very far away from us that itself experiences temperature changes on a regular basis. All of this is FACT, it is basic stuff, nobody can disagree right? So can someone tell how the hell we are responsible for climate change???
Gary, London,
I'm among the uneducated, so I will defer to the scientists:
This Independent Summary is written by 10 scientists with Ph.ds and climate experience. It expresses skepticism over the IPCC predictions and conclusions as to human causes. The comments by 50 additional scientists are tabled at the end. This doesn't capture the interest of the mainstream media, however:
http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/admin/books/files/Independent%20Summary5.pdf
The next is "Climate Momentum Shifitng: Prominent Scientists Reverse Belief in Man-made Global Warming--Now Skeptics," and it includes the scientists and their credentials.
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=c5e16731-3c64-481c-9a36-d702baea2a42
The next reports demonstrates that we have accomplished much. Too bad this is never emphasized, but the article also explains why isn't.
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/st/st294/st294.pdf
Loryienne, Boise, ID
interesting that in Brazil they are way ahead of us with regards to biofuel - do they have more advanced technology than the UK and US???? Or are some great politicians making some great choices?
Oliver, London, UK
Global Warming is "settled science". Right. And until Copernicus came along settled science held that the earth was the center of the universe. GW is the most amusing case of wide scale group think to come along since Global Cooling in the 80s. Imagine a world full of Michael Moore clones, only fatter.
martin, wash dc,
When weather forecasters can tell me if it will rain or snow tomorrow and how much, Ill consider taking them seriously on whether the planet is heating up because of me.
Rich, D.C,
The evidence is indeed piling up...that Global warming, as laid out in this piece, IS JUST NOT HAPPENING!
The last 3 months have been COLDER than its been in years around here. That, for all of you with lower levels of sense and intelligence IS THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU ARE IDIOTS!
g, Lansdowne, USA
There is no goddess but Gaia and Algore is her prophet!
Bald Eagle, Salisbury, MA
warren, new orleans, USA: "Creating a crisis that does'nt exist! And the world is being affected by this nonsense at all levels that's the real tragedy of this lunacy. It will cost us all, if thinking people don't stand up against this madness. "
That's the same line used when the wetlands in Louisiana started to be sold off for private development. That's the same line used to avoid strengthening the levees. Today the same people with vested interests in robbing the family silver are running the same line past you.
Open you mind to the possibility that treating the world like your own public toilet might have ramifications.
Dan, Hampton, UK
Never trust a scientist when he could have wrote the conclusion before he started the study. Political science majors.
Bob, Coraoopolis, USA
Most sensible people would certainly agree that to recycle rubbish is not such a bad thing. However to suggest that people in the west should recycle when China and India are running rampant with their emissions is akin to peeing in the wind. Anyway for every emminent scientist pushing the climate change barrow you'll find another emminent scientist rubbishing the theory.
James, Auckland, New Zealand
As the great USA Circus Magnate P. T.Barnum said years ago, "There's a Sucker born every minute". Followers of his theory believe everything they see on the Telly, read in newspapers or hear as rumors.
Stop and think for a moment. This is hype designed to seperate the believers from their monies. The movement was kick-started by former US Vice President Algore. And believers of Algore's faux theorums have bitten. Anyone with a smattering of knowledge as to weather phenomenon, are laughing aloud at Clow Algore.
Neal Real, Cowtown, USA California
More global warming jargon, just more scientists not satisfied with their current research grants looking for ways to con politicians and the public out of even more money. I regard myself as an environmentally conscious perrson but do not believe in this new world religion.
Then again what the hell, "global warming" is the best money spinner politicians have had in years and they are not about to let it go.
Global warming as we know it is more likely caused by changes in solar activity, do not just look at one point of view. So-called environmentalists should stop branding those who have an alternate explanation for this phenomena as heretics. I am of the opinion that all points of view should be taken into account, especially those that do not have a financial bias.
ANDREW, HACKNEY, LONDON
Gordon Bennet! Empty vessels make most noise as my mum used to tell me. Hundreds of posts from pig-ignorant Americans keen to tell the world that they can't see anything going wrong at all, anywhere, so hey, let's just get leap in the Humvee on head on down the road a bit. All this says says way more for the total failure of education in the USA. What on earth was the point of teaching these people to read and write? And who's going to take responsibility for looking after them when the deal goes down, as it surely will - because they're going to be clearly incapable of looking after themselves in a post-oil, post climate change society.
Vertingetorix, Toulouse, France
Oh gee, so now the total percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere will be 0.04% (which you can literally call zero point zero) instead of 0.0383% (which you can also call zero point zero)..Run for your lives, we`re all doomed. My God, it`s absolutely ridiculous how far this hoax has been taken. What`s next, the stars are falling from the sky?
Edhallick, sunnyside New York, us
Global warming caused by carbon dioxide = huge lie.
Tom, Earth,
Judging from the avalanche of comments being made about this hot topic. A lot of readers are getting very hot under the collar over this global warming issue. All these heated arguments and debates are just plain silly. Let us just stay cool and calm about the whole thing and enjoy the sun while it lasts. We have heard a lot of hot air from both sides. The fact that world leaders and scientists can not come to a consensus on the subject just leave us all cold!
Wing, Poole, UK
Many voices of doubt and dissent, few in support of the scientists seeking solutions to the carbon dioxide problem.
What is it that these voices most object to? The likely moderating effect on western lifestyles which any solution will involve? The money paid to scientists who do their jobs? The suspected (though illusory) anti-americanism of the main thesis?
Look, guys, this is a global problem. If London floods so will New York. Take off the blinkers, look at the facts, and listen.
Even if there is only a 50% chance that the nightmare scenarios being painted turn out to be true, then all human energy and ingenuity should be focused on saving our future.
John Pownall, Dorset, England
What a great opportunity!! I've already bought my Hummer and some prime real estate in Alaska - just waiting for the global warming to turn the mountain property into a tropical beachfront hideaway. By the way, whatever happened to the alleged "hole in the ozone layer" and the "coming ice age" the alarmists were so worried about a few years ago?
Tom, Spartanburg, South Carolina
Why do people willfully ignore the truth?
The Earths climate IS changing. The Earths climate HAS ALLWAYS changed, The Earths Climate WILL ALLWAYS change. The current rate of change is neither faster or greater than previous cooling /warming cycles. The only difference with this one, is that we are here to observe it.
King Canute tried to demonstrate that humans do not control nature hundreds of years ago.
Get your heads out of the sand and LOOK at the planets climatic history. dont just believe what you are being fed.
Peter East, Grays, Essex
I love it. The chicken littles are finally--and deservedly--losing on their outlandish warming assertions, soooo....they're now predicting "it'll be much, much worse!".
This is an admission that they're losing.
dave, Dayton,
Has this calimatologic research was performed by astrologers or scientists?
If indeed the Britain was a tropical wilderness, the, what source of CO2 (cigarettes smoke?) caused it to cool?
If Europe was a sheet of ice 15,000 years ago, what caused it to warm up? Excess CO2 release by the industrial revolution? When? 10,000 years ago? 500 years ago?
Astrologers' thermometers.
Oh by the way, come visit us in Michigan if you are too hot.
Mandy, Mid-Michigan, USA
He said: This is the first time we have been able to get convincing evidence that a change in the uptake of CO2 by the oceans is linked to climate change.
What evidence? A climate model? A guess? Puhleeeese!
Bunchapeepee, Macon, Georgia, USA
How can a group of people predict the weather of the future when they cannot even predict tomorrow's weather? Weather patterns change, always have and always will. The truth is that we will be seeing these things come to pass as the world's end approaches as predicted in the Bible. There is nothing man can do about it. Our planet is a living being and it is constantly changing. Man's destruction lies in his ignorance to take care of it, but as for what we call Greenhouse Effect, I feel there needs to be a lot more proof before it can be enforced. Afterall, was there a Greenhouse Effect back in the times of Noah? Was it man-made? What about all the droughts throughout time? Were those man-made? Come on people, get your heads out and get real! You are bowing to a huge political movement which will only bancrupt your own wallets!
P Young, Tehachapi, CA/USA
Reading the report 2 things jump out, one, based on the 'models' the 2nd does not account for the windiness of the southern ocean. If windiness is the problem, could we instead build some sort of floating wall across the Indian Ocean to divert the wind? Have one of those sophisticated 'computer models' to check it out.
John, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
If I lived in a flood plain (and many do) I would be foolish not to think about the possibility of floods and take commensurate precautions against the eventuality.
Peter Day, Doncaster, uk
Yeah, Igno Ramii, global warming is just a "theory." So is evolution, and so is quantum theory. But the theories work, because they explain the past and predict the future with some accuracy.
The only way that Global Warming will be proved adequately to the nay-sayers (mainly listeners of AM Talk radio in the USA), will be after Bangladesh is underwater and half the species on earth are extinct.
Hopefully global warming will take out Rush Limbaugh, too - he doesn't look like he can take much more heat without having a heart attack.
Todd, Chicago, IL
This is way too much fun. In 1962 I was a young lad in the second grade. Our teacher had me fully convinced of a coming ice age. The great scientific minds of our time had used the incredible technology at hand and predicted the future. Fortunately the evil greedy carbon emmiters have caused the earth to warm and prevented us all from freezing to death. I am sorry but the longer I live the less likely I am willing to believe that man can predict long term weather events. I think the word believe has a great deal to do with the debate. When a global warming advocate is challenged they sound like a religious zealot.
James Hutchings, Anaheim, usa/ca
They can not tell you with more than a 30% "chance" of rain tomorrow, but hell yes brother it will be 2.5 degrees hotter in 20 years...you can take that to the bank.
When I see the envirowhackomentalist stop trying to shut up/down or threaten everyone who disagrees with them, maybe I will listen, but it always has been my opinon, that if you have to threaten someone to belive you..you may be doing something wrong.
It is also curious on just how big the ego's are in the EU..wow. I would never call someone stupid because they do not belive what I do, that is their right, well at least in the US..but hey I am a conservitive I must be wrong eh ?
Kyle, Charlotte, NC,
I have 2 full sized cars and 2 SUV's
We use about 150 gallons of gas per week. 200 on a busy week. I'm doing my part to prevent global cooling.
I like big vehicles for safety and will never get a pint sized car.
My family is first every time
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joe, bloomington , IN
the air is too clean we need more soot in the upper atmosphere
joe, bloomington , IN
Now that we know for a fact that CO2 FOLLOWS the increase in temperature why do these global warmist nazi's keep lying to us?
Capitalist Infidel, Monroe, NC
global warming is a bunch of crap
jim, wilmington, usa, nc
It's funny that the rest of the world thinks American's are just ignorant uneducated fools when time after time we've proven we're the best and brightest. Just like anything else success breeds envy. For 20 years "scientists" have been warning us that we've "passed the tipping point."
Al Gore says the sea is going to rise 20ft, not even close to the IPCC numbers. Do any scaremongers care? Nope. It "feels good" to be concerned. Someone alert me when something "abnormal" happens, because right now it's all hyperbole.
Michael, Sarasota, FL, FL
Weather is unpredictable. Global warming believers will not give a bit of credence to the rising tide of scientists who have changed their mind on it, let alone the thousands who don't assign it to human activity. The arrogance of people to say that because there's snowing now where it never did reflects their belief that their lifetime is the history of weather.
Ken, Ft. Bragg, California
Global warming..why not just call it climate change....which has been going on since the world began. Every thousand years or so, there has been changed in the worlds climate..and this is happening again, in fact it has been going on since the time of Victoria , and not just in England. The winters in Victorian England were a lot worse then they are now. are we to blame the products we use now, when they did not exist then. Our scientists have to follow each others thoughts if not it will seem they will be foolish.
victor, westclff on sea, uk
Lawn grass converts 20% more CO2 than the same footprint of trees. Lawn grass converts CO2 further into twilight and starts earlier in he dawn.
As to the "new study," what they actually found was that there was less CO2 converted by the ocean because there is less CO2 to convert.
Oops!!!
Richard, Greenville, SC USA
So why is Mars and every other planet in the solar system heating up?
Did that one little mars rover do all that global warming on Mars, so its our fault too? You guys are stupid and gullible fools, as well as, mostly lefty sickos. Grow the hell up!
Wes, Minneapolis, MN
About 2/3 of the gas emitted by volcanoes is carbon dioxide. I would imagine that one good eruption would dump quite a bit of CO2 into the atmosphere. But I would imagine that point may be lost on the rabble-arousers in the 'logic-free zones' of Washington, London and UN Headquarters.
Besides, I think Al 'Living-Large' Gore would be a lot more convincing if he were to be seen driving a Prius.
Tomás, Troy, Michigan USA
Most americains ignore it because most americans are christians. They figure jesus will probably return in their lifetime so there is no need to do anything about global warming.
Steve, Victoria,
The new breed of free thinking scientists look at the data and predict Global Cooling in the next 5-10 and a slow decent into a mini ice age...
andy, thousand oaks, ca
Global warming is a socialist plot. If CO2 emissions are limited, real people will lose their lives by the millions. When it turns out to be a lie, AlGore may just say OOPS! Just like global cooling. A lie. There are plenty of "scientists" that will tell you anything you want to hear if you fund their research. Creating the hysteria is all part of the drill. Read the real evidence: Look at senator Inhof's website.
Claude Slagenhop, Dallas, TX, USA
Whoa! Is this what is making the Mars ice cap recede at the same time as we are seeing a climate shift on Earth?
I didn't know the Southern CO2 vacumme sink had such a big effect.
Looks like another "chicken little" looking to justify their government (our taxes) Grant.
How about we give these guys Grant money for them to stop? More bang for the buck.
Engineer Bob, Lakeland, Florida, USA
Chris from Grand Rapids needs to make the distinction between global warming and man-made global warming. None of the 28% of Bush supporters denies that the world is in a warming trend. They are however very skeptical that man is the cause. More and more climatologists are rethinking man's role in all of this and are now focusing on the power of the sun to warm the earth and the effect that water vapor (over 90% of the atmosphere) on climate change. Liberal or conservative keep reading the science and make your decisions based on scientific fact not political dogma. I love this debate just keep the name calling and political crap out of it.
Donnie McGean, Kihei, Hi USA
More nonsense from the global warming alarmists. If you look at the larger pool of data, you will surprise yourself with the lack of consensus on this subject. Most of any warming going on is of natural causes - i.e. the variation in radiation output by the SUN - not by SUVs. The whole global warming issue is not a scientific discussion, but rather a political one. Quit tainting the science with political contaminants. Study the real data - not the so-called consensus point of view. Besides, periods of "global warming" in the past have been associated with prosperity -periods of cooling associated with calamity. Just remember, polititians trying to solve problems in nature tend only to MAKE THEM WORSE!!! The world will do just fine if you will just tend to your own garden. Don't forget the law of unintended consequences.
Bill Beck, Portage, Michigan, USA
Maybe the world governments should create floating trees to absorb all that ocean's Co2.
Tia ann, Bryant, Arkansas
Tianna, Bryant, Arkansas
This article assumes that CO2 emmisions contribute to atmospheric warming. That is far from proved.
Furthermore... human activities contribute a mere 5% of all CO2 emissions into the atmosphere and a miniscule 0.117% of total greenhouse emissions.
The global warming fanatics need to sell the car and house and move to the wilderness, already. Leave civilization to us folks who are prepared to enjoy it.
Now excuse me while I go for a joy ride in the SUV.
undisclosed, Salvador, Brazil
I'm still waiting for the ice age to occur which was predicted with "certainty" by scientists back in the '70s.
If we have an ice age still pending and are also waiting for a spot of global warming to occur, won't they simply cancel each other out and leave us with some fairly decent weather?
Besides, global warming is just a "theory." It hasn't been "proven."
Thomas, Atlanta, GA, USA
People say ignoring it won't make it go away. ...Neither will listening to pseudo scientists who don't look at the whole picture, that CO2 used to exist is far greater quantities and the earth was cooler. There are many other quite clear and valid arguments against the latest CO2 is warming the earth fashion / make-us-feel guilty-tax-raising zealots whom the governments obviously love ("useful idiots" as Lenin would have said). I feel sorry for the fools who buy into the "Co2 is warming up the earth and it's all humans' fault" - they really should look into the science and history of the earth in more detail before spouting government-inspired soundbites.
James, Ewell, Surrey
More Americans get their news from David Letterman and Jay Leno than any other source. The second most popular source for news is the morning drive DJ.
Al Gore (I wish he would learn some physics) goes around sounding like a backwoods southern preacher. If Einstein talked like that there would be no nuclear weapons!
Bill H, San Antonio, Texas
As an American, I am embarrassed by the typical American's distrust of science and scientists. These "good folks" would rather leave it up to God, so they can watch the Dallas Cowboys (or some other all-important sport team). A large portion of our country doesn't even believe in evolution (in a recent study, only Turkey believed in it less than us).
How can one even have a discussion with people that have such fear and distrust of science?
JA, Chicago, USA
The hubris of mankind to think that they can somehow reduce Global Warming to any significant degree or control natural Climate Change never ceases to amaze me. Who is to say that this climate that we have now is the right one? Naturally occurring Swiss glacier melt has exposed silver mines that were working hundreds of years ago when it was warmer than it is now. Mankind as well as the flora and fauna seemed to have survived that pretty well. Well survive another increase just fine as well.
The climate has been changing since the earth was lifeless and will continue to change in spite of anything we do or do not. In the 70s scientists were suggesting that we ADD C02 to the atmosphere to avoid global <i>cooling</i>. Should we have listened to them then? The natural systems creating and maintaining climate are not completely (and I understate) understood. We listen to the chicken littles at our peril.
Steve, Kenmore, WA, U.S.A.
It's good to see that all 28% of Bush supporters in the US decided to comment on this issue. Anyone who doesnt believe in global warming clearly knows nothing about the issue.
A liberal conspiracy involving all the world's scientists? Please stop listening to Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity- you're embarassing yourselves.
To Jamie from London and everyone else who is writing the same type of comment about Americans: youre just making generalizations about everyone in the US and, thus, acting as ignorant and obtuse as the people who dont believe in global warming.
Chris, Grand Rapids, MI, USA
Rapid Rise in Global Warming is Forecast!
Here in Arizona we call it SUMMER!!
Brad, Tucson,
I would like to thank all of our cousins across the pond for continuing to stick their head in the sand with regards to climate change.
It is completely irrelevent that US scientists were not involved in the research.
God forbid you could ever have an auto industry that could produce a car that acheived more than 15 miles to the gallon......
James, London, UK
Interesting how many US folk have posted on here - almost to a man they disbelieve all the mounting evidence. I'm not saying I know for certain, but I tend to take more interest in what thousands of different scientists are saying than what those refusiniks would like to think.
Just in case the scientists might be right, I can't think of any good reason why carbon emmissions should not be reduced - by use of biofuels and other technology for instance.
I'm sure that 50 years ago, the same people on here would have been denying smoking caused cancer, or saying that leaded petrol was good for you.
All I know now is that we don't get snow in England yet 25 years ago we got a healthy dollop every year.
Chris, Northampton, England
It's curious that most of the Americans think (!) that Global Warming is a lie. Some ignore it because they don't want to understand it, some because what I call stupidity. If you don't accept the studies from high educated people, it isn't only irritating because you think you know better, but also stupid. Those researchers have done research based on facts. And no, it isn't the fault of the US. But their signature under the Kyoto treaty isn't only welcome but also necessary.
Thomas, Brussels, Belgium
Ok, here's what we need to do immediately: elect a one world government or maybe we can just use the UN (since they do a really good job of deciding things like human rights and peacekeeping) to take over all the resources of the world. They should decide what is best for everyone and the survival of the earth. And if some people have to die, then they should be brave and know they are sacraficing so future generations can live. What do you think? Is everyone on board with this idea?
Robin, Chicago, IL, USA
I'm so glad it's rising. I'm ready for a good summer. It's about time.
Frank Drone, Redmond,
There's nothing funnier than Americans who don't believe that humans are responsible for the dramatic changes in the world's environment. How could people seriously believe that the pollutants we put into the air don't cause global warming? Thank God that these are not the same people running the US government... oh wait, I was wrong.
Robert, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
For all your warmers, the bees are coming too.
Wess, Boise, USA
Hilary, I've oftened wondered if the US is on another planet, but thanks for confirming it.
Gavin, London, UK
For all the Anti USA readers. Practically all the technology used in these observation seem to come out of American research facilities. Hubbell, Space shuttle,, Satelites launch capabilities.
Not bad for a Nation as backwards as we, the USA seem to be.
Robert Granville Lee, Bloomfield hills,, Michigan
Significantly more Americans having their say about Global Warming than anyone else
Funny that....
Jamie, London, England
its good to see so many brave people here taking a stand against all these scientists.
Just because the vast majority of scientists who study the climate seem to agree about global warming, that doesnt mean theyre right.
To be honest, I dont care how many qualifications someone has, how many studies theyve conducted or how many of their peers agree with them, my opinion counts too. And I say theyre all wrong.
And is there any good reason why I shouldnt know just as much about climate change as all the scientists, just because Im a hair stylist?
Dan, munich, germany
I think that we humans should stop attempting to afix blame or to suppose that we can actually do anything about climate change. If we look back into time, we can see periods of warming and periods of cooling. We can take from this that the Earth's climate is dynamic and is often in a state of flux that, in the past, was not caused by human activity. We should accept that the climate may be working against us overall and focus on surviving as opposed to silly concepts like carbon offsets. If we come to a common ground it may not be too late for us. We should focus on surviving climate change, not blaming climate change. This is the best way to help the future generations.
John Tesh, Orange, US
quick quick, we must change more lightbulbs
John Ledbury, Lowestoft, UK
A wish people could think 'big'. As little as 15,000 years ago Europe was just one huge sheet of ice, and few million years before that Britain was a tropical wilderness. As much as we like to think that Humans and the Earth will be here forever, the facts kinda speak for themselves..we're all doomed! Now it's possible we might develop ways of 'terra forming' the Earth and other planets but that is but a dream with the present technology.
chris, newton-le-willows, England
Go watch a Science Fiction Movie? LOLOLOLOLOL That's even more funny than "The earth has a fever"
Bill, Holliston, ma
Joe of Atlanta.
I must say I am pleasantly surprised that the Americans are just as capable of light-hearted sarcasm as any other.
If only more Americans were like you.
Pete, Cov,
We should all stop driving, cutting grass and trees, running factories, and using electricity. We are killing our earth to be more comfortable in our homes. I think we should all quit our jobs, eat organically, and sit around the campfire singing Koombaya. Then, after we've saved the planet, we can all say, "see, I told you so'.
Chris, Atlanta, GA
I have an open mind, but I refuse to be stupid. I have been following the case for and against AGW (Anthropogenic Global Warming) very closely and, to date, I remain unconvinced that man rather than natural cycles is the cause for the current global warming (GW) .
Scientific findings in just the last few months suggest we know far too little about the how our planet's weather system really works to form any sort of conclusion, let alone madate radical and costly limitations on our global energy usage. ie, A prominent ice core expert believes the co2 levels taken from ice cores are significantly understated and that the whole argument that co2 has risen sh