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Homosexual clerics were certain to win their struggle for acceptance within the Church, the world’s first openly gay bishop told a Scottish congregration yesterday.
The Right Rev Gene Robinson, the Bishop of New Hampshire, said that the worldwide Anglican Communion was eventually bound to recognise that it could not block out people who were attracted to people of the same sex. Bishop Robinson, who has become a hate figure among Christian fundamentalists because he is gay and living with another man, said: “The reason I can be calm in the middle of this particular storm is because I know how it is all going to turn out.
“It is going to end with the full inclusion of all God’s people in God’s Church. I don’t know when; it doesn’t matter when. But that is where we are headed and we must work hard to bring that Church about.” Speaking in a sermon to a packed congregation at St Mary’s Episcopal Cathedral in Glasgow, Bishop Robinson, whose ordination as bishop five years ago caused a split in the worldwide Anglican church, said that it was not for Christians to judge others.
“None of us is on the selection committee,” he said. “God is on a committee of one, and he is the selection committee. We are all brothers and sisters in Christ. The most likeable and the most unlikeable, the most loving and the most hateful are all God’s children. It’s time for us to stop worrying so much about the Church. The Church is not ours to win or lose. The Church is God’s.”
Bishop Robinson’s election as bishop has led bishops in places such as Africa and South America to try to get the American church expelled from the Anglican Communion. He has received death threats and had to attend his ordination wearing a bullet-proof vest.
Security at the cathedral in Glasgow was heightened for yesterday’s service. Police were present outside and stewards inside were on alert for anyone trying to disrupt the service. A small band of fundamentalist Christian protesters held up banners outside the gates and attempted to give out leaflets, but there was no trouble.
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Strange comment by Sally of Palo Alto! Does she not believe that all people are individually created by God? Or does she just think that homosexuals behave that way deliberately, just to annoy or shock other people?
Tim, Colchester, England
The bulk of comments are founded on the baseless assumption that people are made homosexual by God. Where's the proof? Just because people say they are "born that way" or they "always knew they were different", doesnt make it so. . .
Sally, Palo Alto,
Homosexuality is not a genetic disorder, or an immutable characteristic. It's an attraction, that people choose to act out. People can't control what tempts them, but temptation does not give liscense to act sinfully. The Anglican Church is abandoning morality for "cultural relativity". Shameful!
Paul, San Francisco,
Susan, I think it is pretty clear that Bishop Gene is a godly man. It also is pretty clear that God wouldn't create some people homosexual, and create others heterosexual, and then condemn the one group to go it alone while the others are allowed to find loving partners. God is not unjust.
Phyllis, Charleston, USA
How many of you cluck clucking about Bishop Robinson have ever considered that the Gospels record exactly ZERO from Jesus about same gender sexual love, but LOUDLY AND EXPLICITLY condemns, in completely unambiguous language, divorce?
How many of you are equally excercised about divorced bishops?
Jonathan, Lynn, MA, USA
In response to Phyllis:Gene Robinson is gay, no doubt about it. And, you are correct: He is gay, and not because it was a choice he made. His behavior,on the other hand, is a choice. Gene has an agenda as does God. We'll have to wait and see if the two of them are on the same page down the line.
Susan , Tiffin, USA
Susan, we can all choose whether or not to be celibate, monogamous, or promiscuous. We none of us can choose whether to be homosexual or heterosexual. Or do you recall the date and time YOU chose?
Bishop Robinson is right. God is in charge and the battle for inclusion is already won.
Phyllis, Charleston, USA
It would seem G. R. is living in a middle-class american bubble that he is right and all other points are wrong, very similar to those extremists who oppose his ordination as bishop. Has he not heard the views of others? The Anglican commuion will be a long time in changing its position - if ever
s a russell, Norwich, u.k.
Ken R,
You are right there are extremists on both sides. Some do still find it a shock ; Christians at times only make matters worse by their reaction. Do not forget only in places largely secualrized or in shallow Christian settings is it "acceptable." It may be - leave them in TEC.
Ben W
Ben W, Beamsville, Canada
"If Christianity is not about unqualified love, then it is not about anything"
That is true AND it is also about righteousness - ever heard of the "Day Of Judgement" - perhaps GR can take people on a tour of Sodom and Gomorrah - "you mean they don't exist..."?
You can't have your cake and eat it.
Philip, Haywards Heath, England
Yes, it is about behavior. Sadly, it's the behavior of the self-righteous Christians that is appalling. And what I have seen in the news and on the net is that they have raised themselves an idol. Only God himself is to be worshiped! Not the Bible!
Jesus is the word. Or has everyone forgotten that?
Ken R, Las Vegas, USA
Curious people who dream endlessly of sex and are consequently so obsessed with it that they have to hate, hate, hate. If Christianity is not about unqualified love, then it is not about anything - arguments about different interpretations of ancient texts are irrelevant.
Sean, Coventry, UK
The gay lobby knew full well the Churches position on homosexuality...why force the issue unless it was to hijacj it?
The USA & Canada Anglicans should be left to there own as they have always gone their own way anyway
john, Durham, uk
Matthew 7:15-20 Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit
Jenny, Grand Rapids, MI US
1. Does the bible denounce homosexual behaviour? Ans: Yes.
2. If GR followed the Bible's teachings would he refrain from homosexual behaviour? Ans: Yes.
Judge not other's sin AND we should also not condone it in the form of leaders advocating sinfulness ie contradicting the Bible - simple right?
Philip, Nr. Haywards Heath, England
It is fact that homosexuality is caused during the womb. An under production of testosterone during pregnancy causes men to be homosexual and an over production causes women to be homosexual. What is important to remember is such science was not around when the bible was written.
Would Christians be so quick to denounce a child born disabled? I think not. Homosexuality is not a choice, it is caused biologically. Anti gay Christians should accept scientific fact or otherwise be ashamed of themselves as god certainly is of them.
Sarah, Portsmouth, UK
I guess it comes down to this, if we choose to live in relationship with God do we do it on his terms or on our own?
Greg, Wollongong, Australia
Greg, Wollongong, Australia
Let's hear it for Gay Pride! There are gay clubs and gay cruises and gay condos and gay brand names. Why not a gay church? The Gay Anglican Church of Inclusive Gayness. It's a beautiful thing.
Leon A Davis, Scottsdale, Arizona
1Corth 5:11-13 ".. should not associate with people who call themselves brothers or sisters in the Christian faith but live in sexual sin.. Don't eat with such people God will judge those who are outside. Isn't it your business to judge those who are inside? Remove that wicked man from among you."
Clem, Perth, Australia
Bishop Robinson, Right Reverend Sir: (to avoid the degrading of title tactic that so many of your opponents use.) Be of good cheer. The Lord will accept us all and He will make the judgements on all. Be not worried by the Tiffin's of the world. Their judgement is temporal and has no lasting value.
Will, New York City, USA
To Gene Robinson: This is not about WHO or WHAT you are. Rather, it is about BEHAVIOR. It will end in a free-for-all. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind, nor in the minds of many, that such will be the eventual outcome. Just because one wishes to, does not mean that one should.
Susan, Tiffin, USA