Tim Albone in Kabul
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The battle to defeat the Taleban will not be won in the trenches of Helmand; it will only be won when Nato convinces ordinary Afghans that it is a force for good. At the moment this is a battle they are losing miserably.
The International Security Assistance Force's reputation has never been worse and has been exacerbated lately by a string of civilian deaths at the hands of Nato and American coalition soldiers.
Yesterday a US Special Forces convoy was attacked by a suicide bomber near the Pakistan border; witnesses said the Americans then went on a killing spree firing indiscriminately at shopkeepers and drivers. The Americans said they came under attack and returned fire.
The exact details are unimportant. Regardless of the truth, Afghans on the scene blamed the Americans; a mob of hundreds gathered chanting "death to America" and pelted police with stones.
Many of the civilian casualties, such as today's, have been caused by misdirected air strikes and it is something that particularly angers the Afghans.
The problem is that Nato, regardless of any assurances otherwise, is desperately short of troops on the ground. A lack of troops to fight insurgents means a reliance on air support and a reliance on air support means that when things go wrong they go very wrong. A 1,000LB bomb dropped on a house causes a lot of damage.
I have an Afghan friend, a southerner who is a great gauge of what Afghans in the southern Pashtun heartlands think of international troops. It is in the south that the insurgency is at its worst and it is here the battle for hearts and minds is so important. I spoke to him earlier today after the latest attack and he said to me: "People hate Nato more than the Russians."
It's amazing to think that only five years after troops were met with widespread approval when they overthrew the Taleban that they are now compared to the hated Soviet army. It's hard until you think how you would feel if someone dropped a bomb on your neighbour's house or shot your brother for driving too close to a military convoy.
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The Danes and the Brits in Southern Iraq stayed well away from US convoys.
Correctly or not, people of 80 here in Normandy tell me the same story of the USAF .
The good infantry batallions and other fighting arms are often pretty humane people. Sounds a contradiction, but is true. I knew many.
A minority that go on killing sprees, a misdirected bomb, destroys all the good that the other well-disciplined and led troops do.
What a waste.
frog dave , normandy , france
Occupation is a very, very nasty business and distinctly different from war itself.
Winning hearts and minds is a propaganda slogan that has nothing to do with fighting an insurgency. Counterinsurgency methods necessarily involve unspeakable unpleasantness for the civilian population, indeed they are the object of it.
To win, occupation forces must employ time-tested strategies and tactics such as collective punishment, mass terrorizing of civilians, wide-spread torture, bribery and corruption, displacement of populations, destruction of infrastructure, and incitement of civil strife/war (turn one group violently against another). Thats what wins, it's the only way to pacify.
Brits understand this: they raised it to an art form in their many colonies over the last two hundred years.
yehuda cohn, NYC, NY
So Scott Maryville tells us that US troops, "cannot be blamed for civilian deaths." It is that sort of abysmal thinking that allows US troops to kill with impunity. Part of the tragedy here is that "former US infantry officer" Scott Maryville actually believes himself.
b fearn, vancouver,
Short of 'justified' wanton killing of the innocent, has anyone in Afghanistan directly responsible for the destruction of the WTC been brought to justice yet? It's been a long while now and if no one has been caught it is time to stop saving the wretched country by reducing its population. Come home now before we win over too many people to 'collateral damage'.
H Spencer, Leeds, UK
When will the rest of the U.S. population realise that our government and it's armed forces are not and have never been benevolent! The ignorance of my fellow citizens is truly amazing but I have to say that the media and public school curriculum both corporate owned or influenced has done it's job. The good guys wave American flags in defence of 'freedom' and the bad guys do not. Patriotism is a blight on the intellect which allows the most heinous crimes to be commited with hardly a second thought as to who the real criminals are. The foreign policy of this nation is drafted by and for the interest of capitalists corporations and thier shareholders to insure uncontested access to resources, cheap labor and markets. Not be too simple about it but this is 'competition' on a global scale. So forget all the democracy and freedom rhetoric, the peoples of the world know better. U.S. history is soaked with the blood of millions that stood in it's path to profit. Injustice breeds resistance!
Scott, San Diego, California
That Afghans hate us is no newsflash. It was totally predictable, indeed inevitable.
Air war is the most hated form of warfare in human history by civilians that is, commanders love it. In occupation theaters, it almost always culminates in war crimes.
This is why in almost every modern military it is the Air Force that is most politicized. It must be, for it requires deep ideological commitment to visit such barbaric and indiscriminant death and destruction on civilians.
Dan Stewart, Miami, FL, USA
The only eggs that need breaking are American eggs. Their disgusting violent response to a few terrorist successes is immoral and illegal; their behavior in the world contradicts everything we thought America was supposed to stand for.
Robin Westin, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
NATO would never dream of using these tactics in Western Europe or North America. But in Asia or the Middle East, hey, collateral damage is okay. There is problem. Right there. Don't see it? Shame really, because it is why the US lost Vietnam, will lose Iraq and why Nato will lose Afghanistan.
Until an Afghan or Iraqi civilian is treated with as much care as a European or North American, we will be reviled for the racist bigots that we are.
PJM, Sydney, Australia
Yes , those pesky civillians stopping shrapnel and bullets meant for Terrorists , adding to the American deficit and deflecting the forces of Good from their righteous path.
The precision capacity of guided munitions such as 1 ton bombs when used in populated areas would seem to indicate that the ratio of 1 Terrorist : 20 Civilians : 0 Western Military is an acceptable balance and that the locals should be grateful for Democracy.
The "We didn't mean it" wins the hearts and minds of natives every time.
Oh , and , congratulations on the drug eradication programe.
Another sucessful war.
Tim Kaehler, Brisbane, Australia
If Americans of 1776 had thought like Scott of TN and his ilk, America would be British today--because militiamen would have marched onto an open field in a nice row and been gunned down by superior British firepower. "Hiding behind civilians" is just the imperial trooper's name for "guerrilla warfare." Newsflash: the enemies are the sons and brothers and husbands of those civilian "shields."
PKL, Hudson, MA
Yup, Afghans are being terrorized again by a gang of superbly armed foreigners. But "our" victory will come when we convince them that this is "a force for good."
E. Roby, Steinbach, Germany
You can't make omellettes without breajing a few eggs
Pete Brown, milton keynes, UK
This is spot on that there are not enough troops to do, essentially, what the U.S. is trying to do now in Iraq -- create garrisons in the hamlets to keep the enemy from infiltrating. That, it seems, really is the key. But beyond that, I think you go off the mark.
The facts of what happened with the Marines north of Jalalabad the other day matters very much, as do the composition of the crowd that came out to protest. Being a former U.S. infantry officer, I can assure you that we are trained, retrained, and trained some more to return fire in the direction from which we are receiving fire. I would wait until the after action report to see what our soldiers say happened.
One other thing, our soldiers cannot be blamed for civilian deaths, particularly in a newspaper such as this, when those deaths are the result of an enemy using human shields or otherwise attacking in areas of civilian habitation.
Scott, Maryville,, TN, USA
JUST LIKE IRAQ
Remember that the Iraq insurgency got its real start when jumpy US troops fired on a crowd of demonstrators. We in the US (like you in the UK I'm sure) brag that we have the best army in the world, but it just isn't so. They're obviously poorly trained and not very brave.
Arik Silverman, Milwaukee, WI
These populations have a cruel destiny. We should all feel guilty for what we are keep doing to them. Europe must find a way to opposite the USin this imperialistic and unhuman way to rule the World
Paolo, Milano, Italy