Michael Evans, Defence Editor
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The United States was rebuffed yesterday after urging Nato countries with a minimal troop presence in Afghanistan to send more soldiers to ensure the success of the campaign.
The appeal, delivered at a meeting of Nato defence ministers at Noordwijk, in the Netherlands, was rejected by Germany, and other nations were reluctant to boost their numbers, alliance sources said.
In Afghanistan the International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) of Nato has about 41,000 troops, but with Isaf’s remit having spread to every region of the country, there are now gaps in combat troops and logistics units and a shortfall in helicopters and other vital equipment.
Des Browne, the Defence Secretary, and Robert Gates, his American counterpart, said that it was time for some Nato countries to provide more troops. However, Franz Josef Jung, the German Defence Minister, said that the call for more troops was misguided. “We need security and reconstruction and development, that is the wider concept, that’s why I think these calls simply for more and more military involvement are misguided,” he said.
He added: “We have 3,500 soldiers in Afghanistan and I think our contribution is significant.”
Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, the Nato Secretary-General, suggested moving national forces around the country on rotation to alleviate the burden on those nations that have had to fight the Taleban. The British troops in Helmand province, the Americans in the eastern region and other Nato countries, including the Netherlands and Canada, have borne the brunt of the battles with the resurgent Taleban forces.
The secretary-general told the defence ministers at the opening of the two-day meeting in the Dutch seaside resort: “Our top priority today is our operation in Afghanistan. The most important thing that we can do is to strengthen Afghan capacity so that Afghanistan can stand on its own feet.”
Underlining the continuing violence in Afghanistan, a suicide bomber yesterday targeted the governor of the southeast province of Khost. Arsala Jamal survived the attack, but three people were wounded.
Despite division over sending more troops to Afghanistan, the Nato ministers were unanimous in expressing their solidarity with Turkey after the recent attacks by the Kurdistan Workers’ Party.
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I have one statement and a question. This week four of the schools built by the reconstruction teams were burned to the ground. So how do you rebuild in an environment without security. These weren't burned down in a battle, but taken down by terrorist who don't want the children to be educated. You can build a prosperous nation under attack, which is what is happening to Afghanistan. The real answer is there is equal need for rebuilding with the support from security forces. Without both and without a REAL commitment from NATO, not only with Afghanistan fail, but so will NATO.
Melinda Morgan, Yorktown, VA
I agree with you Rob and all of you guys. Well, they must finish it and provide people with the government as soon as possible. Increasing troops is not the way out. Every NATO country must participate in peace process. And of course, achieving safety there is one of the goals.
Maria, Moscow, Russia
The Europeans have already committed and are doing their duty. What else would you expect them to do, shoot themselves to prove their loyalty to the MYOPIC American war?
Tourist, mumbai,
Well, at least we don't have to worry about the EU sorting us out when we finally tell them bye.
Mark Duffin, Warwickshire, England
NATO - like the UN and the EU - has passed its "best before" date.
Ellen Morris, Leeds,
Let us be realistic: That war in Afghanistan cannot be won. The US is repeatedly killing civilians ("collateral damage") and public opinion thus turns against them. If the US wants to blame Germany in order to find an excuse for leaving Afghanistan, that may be the best for all. NATO will have to leave some day anyway, and the sooner they do, the less people will be killed.
Heino Prinz, Dortmund, Germany
Chris,
The NATO alliance was in fact attacked during 9/11, and a number of our Canadian citizens were also murdered during this atrocity. 9/11 was a direct an attack on western democracy . Dealing with the Afghanistan has not a pro vs. anti Bush issue, it is a pro democracy vs. pro tyranny issue. It is unfortunate that you seem to support the latter.
Canada's military has represented itself extremely well throughout the Afghanistan mission, it would be appropriate to see other NATO nations contribute as well.
Mark, Winnipeg, Canada
Time to scrap NATO and start over.
The ruddy continentals can start to fend for themselves. If I were an American I'd be hollering bloody murder for the US to close every base in Europe and find some people worthy of help.
If I were a Brit, I'd be scrapping the EU money hole and telling the lot of those eurotrash deadbeats (with the exception of the Dutch and the eastern nations which remember what the boot of tyranny feels like,) to go rot.
Jason, London, Canada
You're right Rob. They surely must finish it all cause they have no choice.
Maria, Moscow, Russia
The sooner the US leaves NATO, the better. There is nothing in NATO that benefits the US......only the obligation to come to the aid of those that refuse to help themselves. Again and again, US blood was, and will be split in conflicts that protect Europeans who refuse to provide for their own defense. The sooner the US isolates itself against European interests and European obligations, the sooner the Europeans will provide for their own safety. We don't need them at all.
Dave, Alexandria, USA Virginia
"No NATO country is attacked. "
Chris
Tell me again what Nato is for? it's a pact made between countries that if one nation is attacked, all nations within the pact are "attacked". The US was attacked, needless to say, and they, along with our government, took action. whether it was right or wrong, that's not the scope of this forum. But they DO have a responsibility somewhere.
but to hear someone say that troop increases are misguided, then say that security and rebuilding should be the focus??? somewhere he should of stopped to think how misguided that sentence was. Somehow someone says "it's Safe!!!" and then it is.
Fernando watts, Montreal, Quebec
Unfotunately, although i agree with many of you sentiments Chris, this is not about Iraq, it is about Afgahnistan. This is not an American war but a NATO war and was sanctioned by the UN. This means that NATO countries should join in and help without leaving it up to the British and the Americans because they don't want to dirty their nice clean armies.
Rob, Singapore,
This is beyond belief. Once again I see continental Europe -- aside from a dinky contingent of Dutchmen -- sitting on its hands while its English-speaking jannissaries spend all the money, do all the worrying, shed all the blood.
Earth to Europe: YOU CAN'T DECLARE WAR AND NOT FIGHT. You pretty perfect people over there invoked Article 5 of the NATO charter after 9/11, as you were required. That's an open declaration of war. The religio-fascist organization that murdered 3000 of my people on live television is still shooting at us. We ask for your help the one time in our history when *we* need you and you posture like a spoiled kid who doesn't want to take his medicine. What I feel -- my rage and disgust -- is beyond my ability to cram into this forum. You have no sense of proportion or propriety. You wouldn't, couldn't treat a credit card company like you have treated the United States.
BTW, I'm an Al Gore Democrat. I wonder how the rest of the country feels
Jay Stranahan, Rancho Cordova, CA
Why should NATO fight a war for the Americans? No NATO country is attacked. Seems to me Bush is using NATO to fight an American war. I dont blame NATO countries for not sending their troops.
Chris, Victoria , Canada
God help us if we become part of a EU army. Our soldiers will be under the command of cowards within the EU.I shall never support the EU army as it has nothing to do with my country
Taff x Soldier
David Owen, Hereford, UK
Agree with the chap from Plymouth. Has Germany already forgotten about the Berlin airlift? Germany needs to remember that Russia is still in the same neighborhood and apparently hasn't changed all that much.
Elaine Hassid, Memphis, Tennessee
Elaine Hassid, Memphis, , Tennessee
the sooner we kick these country's out of NATO for not committing as required the better.
james alexander johns, plymouth, devon