Nicola Smith and Jonathan Leake
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IT HAS been billed as the summit that could help save the planet, but the latest United Nations climate change conference on the paradise island of Bali has itself become a major contributor to global warming.
Calculations suggest flying the 15,000 politicians, civil servants, green campaigners and television crews into Indonesia will generate the equivalent of 100,000 tonnes of extra CO2. That is similar to the entire annual emissions of the African state of Chad.
When it was first conceived, only a few thousand politicians civil servants and environmentalists were expected to attend the conference — about normal for such an event.
The meeting, which runs from December 3-14, aims to create the framework for a successor to the Kyoto treaty on reducing global greenhouse gas emissions, which expires in 2012.
However, climate change’s growing political importance has led to a surge in interest in the conference, which is being held in the luxury holiday resort of Nusa Dua on Bali’s palm-fringed southern coast.
Attendees are expected to include celebrities such as Leonardo DiCaprio, the actor, as well as Arnold Schwarzenegger, governor of California, and Al Gore, the former US vice-president.
Many are merely “observers” who have no formal role to play in the talks, which largely involve government ministers and officials. Among these observers are 20 MEPs and 18 assistants whose itinerary includes a daytrip to the idyllic fishing and surfing village of Serangan.
The UN has also recently received thousands of new registrations from groups campaigning for the environment or fighting against poverty. WWF, one of the largest, is sending more than 32 staff to the meeting.
Thousands more are coming from businesses, especially the burgeoning carbon trading sector, which already carries out global transactions worth £12 billion a year and has an acute interest in the outcome of Bali.
Indonesian officials say the final tally could reach 20,000 — and fear it could stretch the resort’s infrastructure to the limit. About 90% of the emissions will be generated by delegates flying thousands of miles to Bali, with the rest coming from the facilities they will be using.
Chris Goodall, a carbon emissions expert who did the calculations for The Sunday Times, estimated that each person flying to Bali would, on average, generate the equivalent of 6.48 tonnes of CO2. If 15,000 people attend, this adds up to over 97,000 tonnes of CO2. To this must be added about 13,000 tonnes of CO2 from the conference venue and hotels — a total of 110,000 tonnes.
Goodall, author of How to Live a Low-Carbon Life, said: “One wonders how many people would have gone if the conference had been held in a wet October in Pittsburgh.”
The preparations are acquiring the feel of a huge party, with the Indonesian government seeing it as a chance to revive Bali as a tourist destination after terrorist bombings in 2002 and 2005 saw visitor numbers plummet.
Britain has tried to ensure its delegation is one of the smallest among the leading developed nations. Three ministers — Hilary Benn, the environment secretary, Phil Woolas, junior environment minister, and Gareth Thomas, junior minister for international development — will attend accompanied by about 40 civil servants.
Woolas, however, is still embarrassed by the increasing scale and opulence of such gatherings. “It’s like a circus,” he said. “It’s not just Bali. There are now more than 500 environmental treaties and conventions taking place around the world. It’s a morass of Byzantine proportions. The UN oversees world governance on these issues and we urgently need to streamline it.”
Three ministers in the British delegation are staying in £330-a-night suites at the Westin Resort Nusa Dua hotel, each with their own bedroom, living room and dining room. Such apparent luxury is justified, say aides, by their need for somewhere to hold private meetings.
One of the biggest delegations is being assembled by the European Union, which is expected to send Stavros Dimas, the environment commissioner, and 90 officials. In addition, all 27 EU countries are expected to send separate national delegations. Germany has one of the biggest, with around 70, and France follows close behind with 50. Even Latvia will be represented by four delegates, while Malta, an island populated by 400,000, will have two.
The emissions from Bali, although huge for such an event, remain small on a global scale. Britain, for example, emits the equivalent of 660m tonnes of CO2 a year. Achim Steiner, director of the UN Environment Programme, said such conferences could never be small. “If you want to tackle an unprecedented global challenge like climate change then people have to meet and talk. Bali remains the world’s best hope to minimise the effect of global warming.”
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actions speak louder than words.
god knows these delegates can talk the hind legs off of anything..... meanwhile, their actions counter their alleged intentions.
isn't it about time a member of the royal family chartered an entire jumbo jet to collect an environmental award in Bora Bora?
meanwhile, turn off your TV from standby!
Paolo, Primrose Hill,
Ooh you cynics posting your comments are sooo clever and soooo much cleverer than the best climatologists in the world. Naaaht!
Sometimes, as a scientist, it takes gumption to go with the body of evidence that sits before you. Rather than come up with a brilliant alternative theory that no one else has thought of. Yes of course the computer models are imperfect. That's why they're called models. Yes there are still uncertainties. We're dealing with predictions-they are by definition always uncertain. Science is never black and white. Cigarette smoking 90 year olds attest to that.
OK so there's a circus going on in Bali. Sure it's going to be bad, but right now we have to start getting heads together at a global level and this is the best system so far that we have got.
Yes youre right Bali is not going to be pretty, but to slag off science that you (for what ever reasons) don't understand is idiocy.
alex s, High wycombe, UK
Fifteen comments and yet not one believer? All is not lost...
The GW collective hysteria will stop only when politicians become convinced that being a global warming believer is going to hurt them in an election.
This is not going to happen soon, as all the mass media are endorsing GW as a truth.
It will take 2 or 3 years with a marked cooling trend to have the media start questionning things.
Murray Henley, Montreal, Canada
Kyoto is a JOKE! Even if every nation complied completely they admit it would only lower global temperatures by 0.2C. TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS SPENT FOR NOTHING! That is if you even believe in this nonsense.
Two years in a row now the "computer models" were completely off on predicting the hurricane season. COMPLETELY OFF. These are the same sort of models that are supposed to tell us it's going to be 2C warmer 100 years from now!
Wake up people and get a clue! Sunspots & cosmic rays are the reason for global warming & cooling hence the reason we've been experiencing these trends for MILLIONS OF YEARS now!
The Great Lakes in the United States (the largest fresh water bodies in the world) were formed by glaciers that scraped their way South & then melted just 9,000 years ago! They melted without power plants or SUVs.
Gee, I wonder how that could've happened? I can only imagine the mass hysteria that would've been going on if Og and Grog had some "computer modelers" in their cave!
mike obrien, seattle, wa
CO2 is a beneficial component of the atmoshpere: plants (thus animals) could not live and photosynthetize without this gas. CO2 can absorb only a limited amount of energy radiated back into space by the earth warmed by the sun. Other gases, such as water vapor, absorb far more energy than CO2. If the scientists and politicians were clear on their physics, they would not push manmade global warming as their agenda. Of course, "fighting global warming" is an excellent business and many people make a good living from it. I wonder when will the rest of humanity wake up and see the scam. Now Australia will join the mental crowd and fall for this bad idea. God save us from the good will of people like Al Gore.
Harry Hattyar, San Francisco, California
In light of the ecological "emergency", wouldn't it make more sense to have this conference on the computer without jet travel?
But of course this whole man-made global warming scare is just an enormous scam. So it is perfectly safe for all of these dignitaries to jet to Bali at our expense, filling the air with millions of pounds of extra CO2. After all, what's the point of being an important person, if you don't get a chance to flaunt it?
Doug Sterling, Rutherford, NJ, USA
Global Warming is another leftist-liberal hatched plot to justify more big government control and regulation. It is another excuse to raise taxes and to dictate individual lifestyles.
More control = more power + Tax money = power and money
When Al Gore gives up his mansion, and the Hollywood elites sit in total darkness without their limo's and private jets, when the leftist politicians give up their posh lifestyles, I will shut off a few lights in my modest living space.
mr. Snoopy, exmouth, Aus
CO2 can be reduced easily to meet Kyoto targets:
-shut down all coal and gas fired generating plants immediately
-eliminate all livestock
-shut down the entire oil and gas industry, which wiil eliminate the use of cars and trucks
This is the only answer to a world crisis!!
Mike H, Calgary,
There is no such thing is Global Warming and just because a few nut cases say it is, doesn't mean it is true. I can't believe so many people are so gelable to believe this biggest scam of the decade. It is just another method for a new communism that didn't work by calling what it is. This way by changing the name they can make laws to limit and control the people (and make millions of dollars in the so card carbon credits, like Al Gore company which sells carbon credits), plus with high fees and taxes in taking money away and to make sure the United States (or free nations) in hindering their development.
Enough is enough --- I am tired of hearing about it especially Companies like PG&E and the stupid commercials on the light bulbs. I had it... this is ridiculous. I will not and refuse to brainwashed with this total nonsense. If Al Gore believed it so much why doesn't he sell his mansion to reduce his carbon foot print? Think about it.... he want you to do it, but he will not.
Dawn, Belmont, USA CA
Its more that ironic that the same clowns that were railing against nuclear power for the past 40 years are now the very same ones screaming about coal fired plants. The irony coming from the fact that theyre the ones directly responsible for the coal fired plants having been built in the first place!
Whats really funny is that all this hysteria is based upon computer models that cant predict a hurricane season a month before it occurs, or even the temperature 3 days from now with any real accuracy. Computer slogan: Garbage in, Garbage out.
However, politicians would have us believe they can tell us that itâs going to be 20.5C on July 5, 2106 instead of a more reasonable 20C. Save the children!
In the meantime for the next 100 years weâre supposed to chuck our cars into trash bins, sit at home in the dark, and of course let us not forget, pay higher taxes!
Question: how much in benefits have the citizens of the UK reaped from the 100s of billions already spent in greenhouse gas tax
mike obrien, seattle, USA, WA
This man made CO2 nonsense is mass hysteria on a scale history has never seen before & all over nothing.
A 1.2 mile deep ice core in Greenland recently completed showed that 450,000 years ago it was NINE DEGREES WARMER THAN IT CURRENTLY IS TODAY & the ice sheet did NOT fall into the ocean like a cube into a cocktail as Al Gore & his fanatical flock would have you think.
Mt Pinatubo in the Philippines erupted in 1991 & the worlds computer modelers fired up their programs to see how they would predict the temperature swing caused by the eruption. It dumped more CO2 into the atmosphere in four hours than every car ever made by man. Guess what? They were all WRONG. Temperatures went down & plant growth accelerated absorbing the CO2 spike.
People are running around like chicken little, aborting their babies, sitting at home in the dark, & paying abhorrent taxes for an alleged 0.5 C temperature increase 100 years from now. Predicted by computer models that aren't worth a spit! Nutters!
mike obrien, seattle, usa, wa
I find it more that ironic that the same clowns that were railing against nuclear power for the past 40 years are now the very same oneâs screaming about coal fired plants. The irony coming from the fact that theyâre the oneâs directly responsible for the coal fired plants having been built in the first place!
Whatâs really funny is that this hysteria is based upon computer models that canât predict a hurricane season a month before it occurs, or even the temperature 3 days from now with any real accuracy.
However, politicians would have us believe they can tell us that itâs going to be 20.5 C on July 5, 2106 instead of a more reasonable 20 C. In the meantime for the next hundred years weâre all supposed to chuck our cars into trash bins, sit at home in the dark, and of course let us not forget, pay higher taxes!
Question, how much benefit have the citizens of the UK received for the hundreds of billions youâve already spent in greenhouse gas taxes thus far? Answer, NOTHING.
mike obrien, seattle, usa, wa
Think of it as an investment. An outlay of 100'000 t in order to save hundreds of millions of tons of emissions if an agreement is found.
Cheap. Well, I think so.
Chatmunk, Bern, Switzerland,
It is my belief that the only reason that CO2 ,a harmless gas,was "chosen" as the main element that is causing "man-made" global warming is for population control.
Humans release CO2 as part of the breathing process.Once the powers that be throw up their hands and announce that all that they have tried to reduce CO2 emissions has failed they will then lay the blame on the human population.
The next step would be obvious i.e. reduce the planets population by forced sterilization and possibly reducing the population by mass killings in order to "save the planet".
If the environmental wackos were really serious about cleaning the atmosphere then all aviation should be eliminated after all that's what is causing our upper atmosphere to be polluted.
walter jacob, Novi, Mi./ usa
Sounds similar to the temperance movement in the US, that led to prohibition of alcohol from 1920 - 1933. Because alcohol was bad and eliminating alcohol would eliminate society's problems.
But at least the temperance zealots didn't drink, while the climate change CO2 zealots have no problem enjoying the perks of burning fossil fuels.
You just have to accept that evangelical hell, fire, and brimstone sermons are popular. And the people that peddle this message are just filling a market demand.
The nature of the evil-of-the-day doesn't matter too much either, so long as it is kind of amorphous and not obviously complete clap-trap.
William Wallace, Apex, North Carolina
Could they not meet somewhere closer to rail links? Have none of them heard of video conferencing? This is just one big Jolly. Why does the OK need to send 43 people at our expense? It's ridiculous.
Ben Parish, London, Kent
When do we see actual PROOF that the miniscule amount of human CO2 causes global warming? IPCC curve fitting computer models do NOT qualify as proof. They do NOT explain why warming preceeds CO2 increase in ice core samples. This whole thing looks like a big scam; google 'al gore' + 'maurice strong'.
Mike, Boston, Massachusetts/USA
It has all the hallmarrks of a gathering of religious believers
dennis carmedy, nottingham, uk
it is in my opinion that it defeats the purpose of having the environmenal summit if we are to emit more CO2 emmission, also the cost of holding the summit could indeed be put to better use and to scientific research into reducing the CO2 emmissions and keeping a balanced equilibrium in the environment. Why not with technology in the 21st centuary hold the summit via satalitle communications where all parties could remain in their countries, or have the summit on-line via the world wide web!!! it seems to me that polititians are more concerned with economical issues as apposed to ecoplogical issues these days, respect to mother earth, and appreaciation to creation is whats needed, Yours truly Natasha Allen, student in chemistry and higher human biology, with expertise in communications and media
Natasha Allen, Rosyth, Fife, Fife, Scotland