David Charter in Davos, Anthony Loyd in Helmand and Richard Beeston
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Britain and Afghanistan fell out in spectacular fashion yesterday after President Karzai accused his British allies of bungling the military operation in Helmand and setting back prospects for the area by 18 months.
Mr Karzai, Britain’s key ally in Afghanistan, had little praise for the efforts of the 7,800 British troops deployed in his country. Most are in the restless southern Helmand province, where Britain has invested billions of pounds in trying to defeat the Taleban, bolster central government authority and begin reconstruction.
But Mr Karzai said that they had failed in the task, particularly the initial military mission launched nearly two years ago by 16 Air Assault Brigade — a unit that is returning for its second tour this year.
“There was one part of the country where we suffered after the arrival of the British forces,” Mr Karzai told a group of journalists at the Davos Economic Forum. “Before that we were fully in charge of Helmand. When our governor was there, we were fully in charge. They came and said, ‘Your governor is no good’. I said ‘All right, do we have a replacement for this governor; do you have enough forces?’. Both the American and the British forces guaranteed to me they knew what they were doing and I made the mistake of listening to them. And when they came in, the Taleban came.”
Asked if he was blaming British failure for the return of the Taleban, he added: “I just described the situation of mistakes we made. The mistake was that we removed a local arrangement without having a replacement. We removed the police force. That was not good. The security forces were not in sufficient numbers or information about the province. That is why the Taleban came in. It took us a year and a half to take back Musa Qala. This was not failure but a mistake.”
Britain had no immediate comment to the criticism. But senior military commanders and diplomats in Afghanistan have bemoaned privately the lack of co-operation with the Karzai administration and its controversial appointments of key provincial posts to the police and local government in Helmand. So far they have refrained from public criticism of President Karzai, who remains the West’s only credible figurehead.
The same is not true of the Americans, however. David Satterfield, the US Co-ordinator on Iraq, told The Times this week that Iraq would turn out to be America’s “good” war while Afghanistan was going “bad”. “In many ways Iraq may be seen to be the success story with all reservations and cautions that are appropriate. And Afghanistan the much more threatening, bad picture.”
Mr Satterfield added that Afghanistan’s problems went beyond differences with Nato and the lawlessness across the border in Pakistan’s tribal areas, where al-Qaeda and other militants are openly helping the Taleban.
“It is the nature of Afghanistan. Afghanistan has many deficits not present in Iraq. Iraq is a wealthy country, it has resources — badly used — but it is rich. Iraq for all its difficulty in unifying politically has many quasi-democratic recognisable political forces. Afghanistan has warlords.”
Mr Karzai angrily rejected that when it was put to him by The Times and denied that his country was suffering from a rise of extremism. He also rejected responsibility for appointing inappropriate representatives in Helmand. But British Forces believe that, in many respects, their Afghan allies pose more of a challenge to their mission than the Taleban, which was defeated in the key town of Musa Qala last month and has since failed to launch a single attack in the area. It is the Afghan Government that is now proving more of an obstacle to stability in an area where a mixture of official corruption, ineptitude and paranoia are stymying British efforts.
In Musa Qala itself, Mr Karzai’s assessment must seem ironic. The Afghan President lambasted Britain for encouraging him to remove Sher Muhammad Akhunzada as Helmand governor in 2006, a move which he claimed undermined the security situation. Mr Akhunzada was a fierce fighter against the Soviet occupation and is seen as staunchly anti-Taleban.
However, he was also accused of being a prominent figure in the drug trade and embroiled in numerous personal vendettas. He was removed after British officials told President Karzai that their troops would struggle to bring peace to Helmand if the governor remained in power, he has retained a strong background influence and is angling to be reinstated.
Mr Akhunzada told The Times this week: “I’m not against the British in Helmand but they should listen to President Karzai on matters of structuring local government.”
Now a senator, he and Mr Karzai are old friends, their relationship cemented during the years of fighting in the mujahideen against the Soviet occupation. The British, however, regard him as such a destabilising influence that Gordon Brown is reported to have tried to exact a promise from Mr Karzai to keep the former governor on the sidelines.
Mr Karzai also accused the British of forcing him to remove key police officials, such as Abdul Wali Khan, also known as “Koka”. who was notorious for his human rights abuses and so disgusted local people that they allowed the Taleban into Musa Qala as a favourable alternative to government authority.
Yet now his reinstatement, along with a hundred of his fighters, is being considered as a serious option by the Karzai Government, despite top-level requests from Nato commanders and diplomats to block the appointment.
“The UK does not want Koka here,” one British commander in Musa Qala said. “All our good work could be undermined by the baggage he brings with him.” Afghan civilians in the bazaar agreed. Wali Mahmoud, a village elder, said: “He was like a king here, doing whatever he wanted. He killed more people than I could count.”
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When the russians withdrew from Afghanistan they declared that 'Afghanistan was too primative for communism.'
How much longer will it take before we declare that Afghanistan is' Too primative for democracy'?
Mr G, Leeds UK, UK
It is a difficult situation. While we need international forces, their very presence and behavior is provokative and fueling the Taliban resistance. It has to be handled carefully and skillfuly with immediate and longterm goal of supporting the indigenous mechanisms and our govt in Afghanistan to do most of the fighting. Leaving Afghanistan will be disasterous. Imagine if Pakistani Taliban find a safe heaven in Afghanistan and through that widen their grip on power in nuclear Pakistan! In the interest of global security a smaller price has to be paid. The deficiencies in our leadership is another major issue complicating the situation- for God sake Karzai even for once has not said to Taliban that you are the very reason for foreign forces to be stationed here, put your arms down and we will ask them to leave etc, etc. There is a painful lack of skills to show innovation, initiative and create chances for peace.
Balkh, Devon, UK
Unfortunately the hapless British do not have the sovereign authority to leave of their own accord. Instead, we are obliged to 'mind' a puppet-regime even the leaders of which now argue that the West is doing more harm than good.
But why are we there?
Answer: to ensure that whoever controls the opium trade in this miserable country is under our control rather than able to act autonomously.
But why do we want to control the people who control the opium trade?
The Victorians were not so churlish when it came to justifying this particular activity. They admitted without blushing that control of the opium trade in South Asia and Southeast Asia is key to the geopolitics of the region.
Dan, London, UK
To my British cousins - good idea pulling out of your troops - you can then station them at Euston Station and on the Piccadilly line.
Winston would be so proud of the courage his countrymen show in supporting your troops - NOT
Hotspur, ATL, USA
The US puppet regime in Afghanistan is no more legitimate than the Soviet-installed regime. Both will suffer the same fate. While we're at it, may as well throw in the Iraq government's fate, too. The Soviets failed to occupy Afghanistan. Why would anyone think that Bush could do better? Bush does not even have a strategy for victory in Afghanistan. He has given up on catching OBL. If terrorists ever get a nuke, how will the government get them if they cannot get OBL. Impeachment.
Kramer, Smalltown, USA
Indeed, get out now. We need to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and Britain should too. It's all a big waste of lives, doing no one any favors. Will it take another Gandamack, or Dien Bien Phu before it's realized? A friend of mine remarked that it was good that Britain joined the coalition because we needed adult supervision. Mr. Brown oughta follow on with that, be an adult, and bring his boys home. Bush never will (we're not even sure he really knows where these places are), so someone's gotta be an adult.
Harry, Richmond, CA/USA
Bring the troops home, buy up the poppy crop. Nobdoy evers wins in Afghanistan, check out the historical preceedents. We should have learned over lesson in the 19th. century. Lets spend the money saved on developing none carbon based energy sources and not continue to squander the flower of British youth.
Mike Lloyd, Stoke on Trent,
You can't beat the Taleban, how many times do I have to say this. They want to be martyred and are not scared of death. The British on the other hand have families and wifes and cars and love for this life so hence no real guts. What have the British achieved in Afghanistan? Nothing but misery and chaos to a country that was already fucked up in the first place. So the only conclusion is for the armed forces to stop terrorizing other country's, stop killing innocent civilians and get back to where they belong in Britain.
Usman Khan, Bradford, UK
I say get the troops out now, leave this buffoon to fight the Taliban with his motley crowd of bandits, Afganistan is not worth another soldiers life. If the rest of the coalition want to carry on then let them, that's their problem. The west are paying out billions on a lost cause, most of it ending up in gangsters hands. GET OUT NOW!
waine UK, merseyside, UK
Time to get our troops out of there.
What a cheek this person has.
Stop throwing our lads and lassies precious lives away on these ingrates.
Bring our troops home NOW.
suzanne, woodbridge,
it seems clear that the Taleban are targetting the NATO forces: NATO went to Helmand, so that's where the fighting is. Afghanistan will never be subjugated by foreign troops. Read the history. If they have "terror" camps there, put pressure on the Afghan government to close them down. It only creates more islamofascists each time we invade a country - gives them an anti-western pretext for their jihad, and plays right into Bin Laden and Alqaida's hands. It's unwinnable and a waste of money and human life. War is a moneyspinner at the end of the day, let's stop doing it. Oh and let's legalise heroin and import it for NHS use - cutting out the middle man - the mafia. It's the only solution to the poppy crop.
Ralph Brown, Brighton,
To criticize the British forces would be shameful, however to criticize there commanders would be perfectly just.
Any commander who says he can take and hold such a vast rugged country, indoctrinate the local population into western ideals, and leave a peace loving country behind, would be stark raving Mad.
It canât be done, period.
The only way to invade a foreign country is to do as the American settlers did.
Invade, ethnic cleanse the local inhabitants, i.e. the American Indians and then stay and keep it for themselves.
How else could it be achieved.
Mike, Berlin,
If that's what he thinks NATO should pull out and see how well the half-trained morons in the Afghan army deal with it. Afghanistan would be back in the hands of the Taleban within 6 months
J Roberts, Manchester, UK
Come on lads lets go home. It is not worth it. I suggest we stop pronouncing the afghan leader's name Car zay and use a slightly different pronunciation familiar to most British people-Car Zee. With friends like the Afghan leader who needs enemies.
Wellaar, Torbay,
Only one answer. Let's get out NOW and not waste another British soldier's life.
Peter Bermanp, TauntonUK, UK
Time to go home. The NATO like the soviets before will lose this war. History tends to repeat itself, sadly Messrs Bush and Blair never bothered to read the history of past invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Nick, London, UK
Whether it's Karzai criticizing the British or Gates doing the same to 'our NATO allies' this sniping in public has to end. If you have a gripe do it face to face behind closed doors and don't let it embolden the enemy while demoralizing our guys.
Warren, calgary, alberta
If he had the situation so under control why was it felt british forces were needed in Helmand province? I'm fairly sure that the senior officers would have been quite glad to have not had another frontline.
Tim Hamilton, Chatham,
There you go then, Robert Gates thinks we are useless so does Karzai. Time to come home. Put the army on British streets to control the yobs that are the ones actually threatening British lives.
Martyn Millard, calvia, spain
Britian, the US and all the other countries, including Australia, would be much better off financially if they had not invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, let alone the damage to both these countries.What a dreadful mess it all is! No one will win a war in either country, though at some stage, it may be said they have, as a face-saving operation.
margie, victoria, australia
I'm all for telling Karzai we're ready to leave anytime you like, I for one have had enough of British lives being lost there while the Taliban and al-Qaeda keep on sheltering in Pakistan.
P D Cunningham, Camden, usa/sc
Without the help of America, Britain and Canada, Karzai couldn't run a bath, let alone a country.
What is he doing in Davos anyway? They have enough snow of their own.
Furriskey, Singapore,