"You are impressive in a way that you do know some of China's problems. eg I agree some of the goods made in China do have problems. But then you conclude every Chinese product must be rubbish! Is it logical to use the microscope to only look at the person's shortcomings and then draw a conlclusion that this person has nothing positive?"

yes, if all this person has created is Chaos, unhappiness and violates basic human right to free speech, religion, economy and independence

It can't even respect it`s own people...like falung dafa , pro democratic citizens,...remember Tiannamen Square? I can't believe how u can still defend China. What nation in the world ran tanks over it`s people for a peaceful protest? What nation? huh? It makes me angry just to think. I am not against Chinese... because I believe they are victims as well.I am against PRC.

And just so you know, do research on who owns most of the business in China. Most Business are ran by Military officers in the end.

zara gyemo, arvada, usa

For history`s record :

During the 5th Dalai Lama, China being a devoted Buddhist country at the time treated Dalai Lama equal as the ruler of TIbet.

They trusted each other enough for the 5th Dalai Lama to be China`s spiritual guru while China will protect outsider threat to Tibet. They didn't know,YOUR BEST FRD WUD BACK STAB you.

Have you ever read " Romance of Three Kingdom", students are made to study this story and it will tell you how Chinese people think and how govt think There is always a book in every culture that will define the characters and behavior of certain race.and it will tell you everything you need to know about China.

I never said America has right to war because they want oil or whatever. I condemn this act too, I want peace in the world with or without oil.

weapons used by Sudanese govt to crack down people in Durfur is supplied by China. China has been giving military aid to Pakistan even after knowing that Pakistan is a haven for terrorist.

zara gyemo, arvada, usa

"65% of mainland china is occupied country including eastern turkistan, manchu, inner mogolia, tibet, etc.."

I'm not sure if you are familiar with China's history. For example, Qing Dynasty(1644-1911AD), which was actually founded by Manchus(You may know this since you know so much about China), includes Xinjiang(eastern turkistan), Inner Mongolia, Mongolia(now a country), Tibet and etc.
Tibet has been part of China since Yuan Dynasty(1271-1368AD),which was conquered by Genghis Khan. You can of course argue that he had no rights to conquer Tibet in the first place when it was independent. But isn't it the human beings' history to conquer each other? I don't think I need to remind you what happened after Industrial Revolution in Europe.
Among all these histories it's difficult to tell right or wrong, because you can argue this is right because one improved the other's evolution, or wrong because one ruined the other's national identity. This will be an endless debate.

Li, Glasgow, UK

"6) China says they came to liberate Tibet, I say liberate from what? Tibet desperately needs liberation from China. "
Simple fact: Tibet was a slavery society before 1950. I'm sure religious people(who of course had power in slavery society) were better off before but I'm not sure if normal people(slaves) were happier before or after that. Maybe you can tell me.

"7) it started as a non violent uprising until Chinese arrested tibetans for protesting."
How did you know that? I didn't see this from what bbc or other western media says. Maybe from www.phayul.com or you have sources somewhere, which again can't be proved.

You are impressive in a way that you do know some of China's problems. eg I agree some of the goods made in China do have problems. But then you conclude every Chinese product must be rubbish! Is it logical to use the microscope to only look at the person's shortcomings and then draw a conlclusion that this person has nothing positive?

Li, Glasgow, UK

Zara ,

I respect that America has developed one of the best social systems. I never think Tibetans are barbarians. I also don't think Chinese government is right in handling some issues. But you've shown no respect to a nation with over 5.000 years history. You jeer Chinese eat everything, laugh at Chinese goods(Yes some's quality is not as good as from other countries which are much more expensive, which is why there's a market selling goods at different prices. Some goods do have problems due to those immoral businessmen whom I hate as well, but it's not the government's conspiracy), defend America's polices in other countries(America has every right to crackdown communism, fight in any countries that have oil?), declare everthing west media says is independent and respected(ask people from developing countries if they agree with you), accuse China intervening in other countries(ironically the biggest munitioner all over the world, including Sudan, is the WEST as we all know)

Li, Glasgow, UK

Zara from US

I agree with you that our government has many problems and has made mistakes. But every government has. Some more, some less. So I'm not able to discuss this. But what you are saying sounds to me that chinese government is doing everything wrong...since for ever.

"If they want to protect Chinese, they can just tell them to stay in the house." What about Tibetans' setting fire on building and houses? So they are safe if they just stay at home?? And
if someone innocent gets killed by protestors you can accuse him not protestors that it's his fault because he didn't stay inside. Is this logical? So a girl deserves raped because she's too sexy and shouldn't have gone out?
I'm not saying Chinese government has done everything right, but shouldn't Tibetans(protestors) be responsible for the killings?

As to www.phayul.com, I've seen it. What is your evidence for it's being unbiased? Because you are American so what you say must be unbiased?

Li, Glasgow, UK

this is continuation to the 5th point.

The difference between tibetans and chinese are so stark. Chinese eat everything that`s moving. There is a saying in China " Everything that moves, it is for eating", Well tibetans don't eat insects, earthworms, monkeys, rabbit, bears, and everything except beef,mutton,fish, chicken etc..proves that Tibetans are actually less barbarians.

6) China says they came to liberate Tibet, I say liberate from what? Tibet desperately needs liberation from China.

7) For the person who said "It`s tibetans who started this riots" Well, March 10th uprising happens every year to commemorate the Uprising that happened in 1989 March 10th when maximum number of peaceful protesters were killed. This year too, it started as a non violent uprising until Chinese arrested tibetans for protesting. It turned violent on the 11th march, when monks went to ask for the release of those arrested when police started beating them up. To show support other arrived...

zara gyemo, arvada, usa

This protest started peaceful and then turned violent after the chinese cackdown, so please get your facts right. What would you do if you have been constantly under threat for the last 47 years, confiscating your right to free speech, religion, education, economy.. China has not one Human Right article adopted by UNO that it adopts. China is yet to Give report on their Human Right Development from the year 2002. And yet, many without knowing the facts support China and it is people like those that allows and give encouragement to China to be as brutal human right violator as it is.

Today, everywhere you go, everything is MADE IN CHINA because it`s cheap. Why is it cheap? Because those chinese goods are made either by 2 million prisoners in China or by minimum paid laborers and look at their quality ! Either they are poisonous or are not fit for consuming if it is food, not fit to be played by kids because it contains too much lead or the magnets are not embedded well in those toys

zara gyemo, arvada, usa

And in the end... I know I sound like I am paranoid but I have good reasons to be. If you want to know more about China, just look at what`s going wrong with the world and you will see China written all over.

Supporting regime in Burma , supplying weapon to Durfur, Human rights violation in Tibet, eastern turkistan,manchu, inner mogolian, taiwan, falun dafa and it even crack down on it`s down citizen who speaks against it. And it won't even leave the Latin America, remember the poisonous tooth paste? The policy of China is..if someone speaks against you.instead of listening to them to make a better nation..Silence them by imprisoning them without trial, kidnapping them, disappearing them over night etc..the list can go on and on and I am not bit lying. Just spend time to read up, travel to China but don't live in the posh hotel and then say "CHINA IS KOOL AND HAPPY" meet the locals, visit poor cities, visit tibet and talk to people who are actually living life in hell under China

zara gyemo, arvada, usa

li Galsglow..

Protecting it`s own people? If they want to protect Chinese, they can just tell them to stay in the house. Those tanks are not there to protect, they are to kill Tibetans.

CIA WAR IS TIBET happened around the same time CIA trained Afganisthani`s to fight Soviet Union. The motive was to dissolve communist world which is Soviet Union and China. And that was the reason for giving CIA training..not because USA was personally interested in Tibet.

But it looks like things have changed alot btw then and now, then it was to fight communist world but now it is economy, since it`s a business world. That is why USA, and the western world though on personal level feel sympathetic towards tibetan cause which is very much appreciated by Tibetan though they feel the futileness of it because there is no action and all tears but USA is not yet ready to fight China like it did Iraq because TIBET DOESN'T HAVE OIL to fight for. Period. American people are wonderful but it`s evil politics

zara gyemo, arvada, usa

1) Yes, it is indeed hard to judge because of the footages we get from inside Tibet where it only shows Tibetans throwing stones at shops, etc. The reason why we are only seeing these footages is because there is respected and independent media block out. Even Chinese watching the footages can't watch the footages where they show Chinese cracking up on Tibetans. Visit www.phayul.com to get unbiased news,report and photographs of tibetans killed.

2) To Zhang Fan , hui zhou , China,
Indians know more about Tibet than Chinese do. With the censored news that you get , I don't think this is right place to for you ask what he knows about Tibet. And talk about giving careers to Tibetan, please give me a break. Careers as slaves for the migrant Han Chinese? Tibet never had unemployment till China invaded it. You say Tibetans are barbarians, let them be as long as the meaning of barbarian is being happy living a simple monastic peaceful life. Tibet is better off barbarian than be under PRC

zara gyemo, arvada, usa

And as for developing Tibet by Communist China, China only did it so that they can migrate all han- Chinese into Tibet to wipe out the Tibetan race and culture.

China is in Tibet for these reasons
1) Tibet is 7 times the size the of france but only has population of 6 million and and china is more than 1 billion population. 65% of mainland china is occupied country including eastern turkistan, manchu, inner mogolia, tibet, etc..
2) They call tibetans barbarians because Tibetan has always respected ecology and never thought of digging out natural resources because they believe it will unbalance the ecology but since 1959, Tibet has been rapped of his resources, today Tibet produces 85 % of world uranium. It has the world`s biggest uranium reserves...and now who benefits? China of course. Since Tibet won't willingly give it to them, China occupied Tibet.

zara gyemo, arvada, usa

Tibet has been well developed since 1950s. The living standard, education, goods supply, transportation, etc have been improved exponentially. while most of Han can only have one child, the government encourage Tibetans to have more. As to cultural influence from Han majority, which country has not been affected by Hollywood?

Some mentioned UN and some westen governments turned a blind eye to Dalai Lama. Here's something for you: "The CIA's Secret War in Tibet" by University Press of Kansas. It tells you the West has always been behind Dalai Lama adn will be. Conspiracy this time? We all know that national interest is the real thing behind democracy when it comes to international affairs!
Be an adult!

It's beating, burning and smashing activities rather than peaceful protest. Many people have been killed, mostly civilians, by the so-called peaceful protestors. BBC seems very interested in showing footages of armed forces. But is China not allowed to protect its own people??

Li, Glasgow, UK

His "holiness" welcomed China's entry back in 1959 and held talks with China before he suddenly fled the country - no one knows what happened there, it could be China, it could be him. Tibet hasn't ALWAYS been independent - it's in fact been an autonomous part of China for centuries - more if you count being a "protege" autonomous.

And let's not just blindly sympathise with the Tibetans. They are the ones who caused the riots in the first place and attacked many Han Chinese and Hui Muslims living in the region, who are just as innocent. Whose faults again?

Angelina, London,

Thanks for the comment from Phil, Hong Kong

I am not quite sure if the stars on the Chinese flag should be changed to dollar signs. However in this case, the stars should be changed to STERLING signs.

And you might forget to mention deaths in Afghanistan,.

Lee, London,

"The worry now is about tonight’s deadline. Will this be followed by knocks on doors and sweeping, indiscriminate arrests?"

We saw imperialists and expansionists earlier. China, the menace of 21st century, is the latest one. It will crumble like those of others in the past.

China has no right and reason to be in Tibet, always a peaceful and free nation. They managed their own affairs well without outside interferences.

About some Chinese "official" explanations, please do not give the usual excuses.

If some nation occupies China, there will be some people touting your motivated excuses to brutally rule you, suppress you and exploit you. Are they acceptable?

If the nations of the world have any conscience, they have to join hands to get Tibet free. If we love fighting injustice, it becomes our duties.
Regards,

Krishna R. Kumar, Udupi, India

How much do you Indians know about the situation in China?!Tibetan gain a lot of privilege in China in both career and education what you Indians can support them? Only a Dalai and consequence instability of Tibet.You should apologize for that instead of sign Mahatma Gandhi for Tibetan. The Chinese government pour a lot of resources of the whole country to construct Tibet, A place without Industry and with poor agriculture.Can you Indians do that for them? No government will bear division behavior. if Dalai stop his foolish action he and his support can return to China with great honor and end their refugee life in India.

Zhang Fan , hui zhou , China

When oil and national interests are involved the US and its allies, my own country inclusive, are prepared for war. Will we now stand by and watch as our newest trading partner commits murder for 'lebensraum'.

Barry Meggs, Adelaide, Australia

Who's at fault here?? I hear someone say. Lets not forget who invaded Tibet in the first place in 1957. There was a great appeal by His Holiness to all Western governments and the U.N. They all turned their backs on Tibet and to a large extent still refuse to turn the screws on China. Why, because it would mean giving up all those corporate profits the West benefits from by getting cheap labour from the underpaid Chinese work force.
Profit is seen by the Chinese government and the West as the greater value over human life and basic human rights.
Who's at fault here? Everyone who turns a blind eye to what the Chinese government's policy is in regards to Tibet so they can feed their desire for greed and financial gain.
Those of you that doubt the validity of this protest sit comfortably at home with the knowledge that in the morning you will have the human right to do as you wish. The Tibetans don't have that opportunity, nor do thay have the opportunity to get out of this situation.

Gregory G., Pasadena , USA

This is actually more objective report I read.

Remember the rioters in Gaza strip? Why almost all Western media were not given a damn when over 100 palestinian were killed? Just because Israel is a democracy and China is not?

Myang, scituate, MA

Those that are sickened by terrist violence are themselves terrorists. Monk or terrorist when they burn, loot, attach others and damage public and private properties? Is Dalai Dama a religious monk or a terrorist leader? He supports violence so he must be a monk of terrorist religion. Protest must be done in peace not violence and those who support violence or illegal acts against other citizens are either terrorists or criminals and must be dealt with severe punishment.

glouchoma, Los Angeles, USA/CA

It's rather difficult to say who's at fault here, I mean if you check out the slide show you don't see much peaceful protest, more like a rampaging mob full of looters and arsonists armed with knives and stones. that's not what I call a peaceful protest. but I think the police response should be proportionate, the last thing this world needs is another region in crisis.

John, Sydney, NSW

The world watched mutely when Iraq was destroyed systematically. The free democratic world couldn't do much when Israel was destroying Lebanon. Tibet is a country's internal matter. Discipline is a nice thing to have. So those who go against the rule of law should be willing to face the consequences.

Jacob Thomas, Kottayam, India / Kerala

The Dalai Lama should stop the riots in case leading to more seriously consequences. The crash, most violently in 20 years, has affected the stability and harmoney of Tibet. It's not good to local people and economics. The ultimatum should be considered seriously, or else worse consequences could happen. The Dalai Lama would not success and his inflammatory is bound to fail.

George_fan, NanJing, China

How has it come to pass that India, a country that produced the likes of Mahatma Gandhi, is today willing to block legitimate protests by Tibetans - at the instigation of a brutal Chinese government? It beggars belief. Gandhi stood for freedom and we won ours in that struggle of which he was an integral part. Yet we deny the Tibetans this opportunity? Since when have we Indians become accomplices in the Chinese genocide of Tibet? How come we, as the world's biggest democracy, are content now to officially acknowledge Tibet as a part of China? We are fully aware of the circumstances leading to the Dalai Lama’s escape from Tibet in 1959, and we were ourselves the recipients of China's brutal invasion when we were attacked in 1962. Yet today we have become servants of Beijing? I was sickened by film footage showing Indian police in Dehra Dun roughing up Tibetan protestors. Are we looking at the day when the Indian government will evict the Dalai Lama from Dharamshalla?

Amit Sharma, London, UK

Will the free world be a mute witness this time too to the communist regimes savagery on the hapless Tibetans on their own turf? Its indeed ironical that history has been cruel the Dalai Lama and tens of thousands of his followers staying as refugees in India.

NK Pant, Dehra Dun, India

It will not be like Tiananmen. In Tiananmen Chinese were murdered by Chinese and there was shock and outrage amongst knowing Chinese that the People's Army / Communist Government could kill its own people. There will be little or no public outrage in China at the killing of people in Tibet - proving that Tibetans are Tibetans. They are, of course, receiving a sort of equality - getting much the same treatment as protesters in Tiananmen. However, the almost total absence of sympathy they receive from their 'compatriots' indicates clearly that they are a people under foreign occupation and are not regarded as Chinese at all by most Chinese.

I suggest a slight change to the Chinese flag to reflect current priorities. The flag should remain red to symbolise the blood of the repeatedly crushed masses but the stars should be changed to dollar signs.

Still those responsible for over half a million deaths in Iraq should not be too sanctimonious.

Phil, Hong Kong,