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A home-made bomb thrown at a paramilitary police patrol in Lhasa has hardened Beijing’s resolve to punish anti-Chinese rioters, with officials issuing wanted lists for 17 Tibetans, including two monks and a woman.
The hardline Communist Party secretary of the Buddhist Himalayan region warned officials they faced a “life or death” struggle that involved nothing less than the stability of the entire country as it prepares to play host to the Olympic Games in August.
Anti-Chinese protests flared this week across Tibet and in neighbouring provinces where many Tibetans live. In a remote corner of Gansu province, hundreds of Tibetans on horseback galloped through a town shouting “Come back Dalai Lama” and “Free the Panchen Lama”, before ripping down a Chinese flag and raising a Tibetan snow lion banner.
In Lhasa, where howling Tibetan mobs turned on ethnic Han Chinese and Hui Muslims last Friday in the worst violence in nearly 20 years, a homemade bomb was thrown at a paramilitary vehicle yesterday. Police fired teargas to disperse onlookers and schools were ordered to close early. It was unclear how many people were hurt. Residents said four police were killed or wounded but officials would not comment.
Lhasa Television broadcast three lists of 17 people, including two monks and a woman, wanted in connection with the deadly riots. Those on the list appeared to be ethnic Tibetans. Grainy images blown up from film footage shot during the violence were broadcast yesterday.
One Tibet official explained to The Times why these protestors had been singled out: “There were many other people but these were the ones whose faces could be clearly seen. Others were at an angle or had their backs to the camera.” All were young and most were dressed in ordinary clothes and not Tibetan costume. The list was issued by the Lhasa Public Security Bureau. One person on the list had already been picked up, the Lhasa official said.
A total of 24 people were placed under formal arrest yesterday by the Lhasa Procuratorate Office. Sources close to the Lhasa Government said the number of those detained, although not yet formally arrested, since Saturday had now risen to more than 1,000. At least 156 people had surrendered to police, Tibet Television said.
China says 16 people have been killed. Tibetan exiles put the number at 99.
Zhang Qingli, the Communist Party representative who runs Tibet, is under pressure to restore stability five months before the Olympics. He issued a blistering tirade against the Dalai Lama, the 14th reincarnation of Tibet’s temporal leader, who has lived in exile in India since he fled Lhasa in a failed uprising against Chinese rule in 1959.
“We are in the midst of a fierce struggle involving blood and fire, a life and death struggle with the Dalai clique,” he said.
Mr Qingli who has banned government servants from attending religious ceremonies, said the Dalai Lama clique was bent on separating the Tibetan region from Chinese rule and was seeking to use the period before the Olympics to foment unrest.
He said: “The Dalai Lama is a jackal wrapped in a habit, a monster with human face and animal’s heart.”
The exiled leader issued an appeal to world leaders for help in resolving the dispute. The 72-year-old Nobel Peace laureate offered to submit to an investigation by those who suspected him of being involved.
The Pope added his voice to an international chorus of concern about developments in Tibet, urging dialogue to end the suffering of people in the region.
That battle by China to reassert control over its restive Tibetan population has now drawn in students at schools in Beijing. They are required to submit written papers specifying their feelings for the Dalai Lama, providing details of their parents, giving details of their own identity card and guaranteeing not to take part in political activities.
One parent said: “How can they ask children of 17 or 18 to write such a political document. These children can barely even speak Tibetan. Does the government have so little trust in Tibetans that it even requires children to make such an allegiance?”
The demand that students effectively denounce the Dalai Lama, declared an enemy of China yesterday by Wen Jiabao, the Chinese Premier, highlights the nervousness among Communist Party authorities at the continued influence the 14th reincarnation of the Ocean of Wisdom still wields among Tibetans.
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china and tibet are two different nations china belongs to chinese and tibet belongs to tibetans like mongolia and korea as simple is that?????? so chinese thugs should stop claiming and justifying the brutality done by your govt. otherwise violent may erupt more in tibet,..free tibet
tenzin, delhi, india
I think China's recent earthquake was not a natural disaster but was a manmade explosion to squash Tibetan protests and get world sympathy before the Olympics. China should leave Tibet alone, and go on about their own business. Tibet clearly does not appreciate Chinese (ahem) "liberation."
Patti Morey, Ashland, U.S.A.
Boycott Chinese Everything. Support Freedom stop giving money to communist police states that murder their own people.
Free Tibet Free China!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EkLJn1oFXQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c4_hdzLVFQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veQIdaR0J70
teddy, New York, US
Can anyone clear something up for me? Not once have I read anywhere that China have commited any human rights violations in dealing with these protestors. This begs the question...what is all the fuss about?
Adam, London,
Tibet is not China's internal affair, chinese have no business occupying Tibet and forcing the peaceful people of Tibet to forget their religious culture. World should boycott the Olypic and give a strong message to China to free Tibet.
HJ, Philadelphia, USA/PA
Dear Tim, London, UK,
Pls don't fully believe everything from your tv or press either.
I've just saw a video news from The Telegraph, saying "China has admitted for the first time that police shot and injured Tibetan protesters".
but in the video clip, the policemen whoe are taking monks and protests away are actually Nepalese!
However, there is no indication to tell the viewers this is what happened in Nepal instead of Lhassa.
So are Western countries' medias really fair?
Roy, Shanghai, China
Someone said the one child policy is not for Han but for Tibetans. That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard. Well, if you make several han chinese friends (by the way, they are not rare in any country of the world now), all of them will tell you the truth. I'm a han chinese myself, and i'm the only child of my family because of this policy. By the way, i have to say that this policy is protested by most han chinese and it's not strictly exercised, that's why I can hardly find another only child among my friends now. Anyway I'm happy about my uniqueness, as I didn't experience any competition from an brother/sister for the limited family ressource. A little selfish, but I think there's nothing wrong with me.
Toto, Paris, France
Why is everyone so intense about China's internal affair? All countries around the world have blood on theri own hands. Not one country of the world is absolutely clean on human rights. If we let a couple alone and encourage them with positive means, they may have a chance to unity and their children may grow up to be productive and be healthy citizens instead of going to be a candidate of crime. Ahhh!! Must be that there is a subversive motive. Divide and conquer, Britiania rules and the Sun never sets. The Global Agenda.
Sonny, dade, USA
I will not commont on it, because I do not know the truth. at least there is one quite clear, peoples are suffering the conflicts while some cliques played an role of clowns.
Peace is the basis of happieness, isnt it?
Sibe, Shandong, China
Is it just coincidence that the recent Tibet troubles began shortly after the Daila Lama's visit to Bush and only month before the opening of the Olympic Games ? Tibet had been peaceful for decades and was open to visitors, tourists and...... hence people with more sinister intentions, such as CIA agents fomenting trouble !! Are we not a bit hypocritical here by applying double standards. Israel had been occupying Arab land for the last 60 years, violating human rights on a massive scale. And what about the occuaption of Iraq ? For some background information on Tibet may I recommend reading ''The Timely Rain'' by Stuart and Roma Gelder
(Publishers; Hutchinson of London)
Tom Van Meurs, Cjhristchurch, New Zealand
The westen media always draw a conclution seems that all the Tibetans are strongly requiring to be independent from China,I don`t know from where these media get these information and they can`t tell clearly and exactly.In fact,it is know to me that only a few people protest.Why don`t them ask the majority of Tibetan?
Dale, MianYang, China
Tibet has been part of china`s territory . Dala group wantes to seperate Tibet from China through illeagal ways. I think anyone who wants peace doesn`t like to see such riots.
How do you know China is not trying to protect the Tibetan people and their indigenous way of life?
If a group of people in your country want to be independent and they have killed many innocent people,will you just let them go?
Susan, ningbo, Chian
We are not experiencing any kind of oppressions which you have said.I am a Chinese college student.Since I was young,we were told that we are brothers and sisters with all other nationalities in China.We also could believe in God or others.Western medium always describle our goverment as a devil.But as a Chinese,I am very proud and glad.Please don't use one yardstick to measure other's happiness.
Cathy Liu, Nanjing, China
I cannot understand why here people show great sympathy to terrorists and criminals who burned and hacked innocent persons . I try to be as neutral as possible , I may still be biasd since I am a Chinese. Disliking commnunist cannot justify your connivance of mobs' looting .arsening .Of course there will be some deeper reasons behind this riot. I agree that the central government may not do enough to improve Tibetan's life and worship freedom ,but never like what someone said here to exterminate any last vestage of Tibet.If this is true ,why so many tourists go to see Tibet ? The government must be insane to show tourists that nothing is left for Tibet tradition. Whatever China does ,they must have some evil purposes.Is this the right thinking way ?
Hanny Geng, Hangzhou China,
John, Los Angeles, CA:
You have been watching too many Hollywood movies!! Go find out the real history of the tribes in the western United States and the warfare they perpetratedp upon each other. They make the "white man" look incompetent when it comes to warfare, there just happened to be an overwhelming number of whites moving west with better weapons.
Dave, Phoenix, AZ, USA
Yes, boycot china made product, it's your right! boycott beijing olympic, it's your right! well, who do you think will be the loser? china? every deal is two-side game, please remember it. speak out after thinking and considering carefully.
Some people say "never believe what you see on chinese tv or read on chinese newspaper". ok, if it's the case, should we believe what the media says here in uk? how many cases have been exposed that media is controlled by politicians, china and western world? who should we believe in? please convince the others with your logic.
Jeff Young, Manchester,
Beijing and Dalai need each other. For Beijing, it needs Dalai to continue be the face of the Tibetan movement while knowing full well that the younger generation exiles no longer share his preaching of âpeaceful, non-violenceâ resistance that won him the Nobel and popularity in the West. This allows Beijing to attack his credibility and sincerity every time events like this happens when the pledge by His Holiness not to seek independence is contrasted sharply by the calls for independence on the street. This gives Beijing ample excuse to drag their feet on any meaningful dialogue with Dalai. This approach, though very short-sighted, helps Beijing, for the time being, avoid facing the tough choices they will have to make if they are to reach a real settlement on the issues of Tibet, which will require sacrifice the interests of of other ethnic groups in the region.
Steve, Houston, TX
American passed laws to preserve native Indian culture after they killed most of the native Indian men and raped native Indian women. Don't live in denial.
John, Los Angeles, CA
Ah, yes, what happens if Scotland conducts mass riots? Good comparison. Scotland has a separate legal system. Scotland has a separate educational system. Scotland has a separate Church. All of which Tibetans want from China.
I agree that Tibetans are not angels, they are people. They happen to be some of the nicest people I've ever met, but they are people. When oppressed they tend to get angy and resort to violence despite themselves. Hmm, 1989 Tiananmen, 2005 in Dingzhou, or 2005 Huaxi, or 2005 Dongyang. Incidents where Han rioted against the gov't. Was this a Dalai Lama plot too? No--it all stems from idiotic policies. Any amount of crowing about 56 harmonious races and harping this ignoramous idea that the Dalai Lhama is a slave driver that has somehow fooled the entire world is complete lunacy.
Compromise, China. There's a thought! It takes courage on the part of China's leaders, certainly. More courage, certainly, than to beat a robed monk.
Michael, Kunming, China
The difference between China and the United States is that in the States, we work to preserve Native American cultures, we pass laws to help American Indians protect their cultures, we build national museums dedicated to explaining the history of American Indian tribes. Indian nations are soverign nations who have entered into treaties with the U.S. Federal government. Indian reservations are sovereign territories which are governed by tribal councils but subject to federal legislation as provided for in the treaties
This is what the US does to help protect our native American minoriteis.
Why is China not trying to protect the Tibetan people and their indigenous way of life? What right does China have to try to exterminate any last vestage of Tibet?
Who are the real terrorists in China?
Scott, Durham, NC, USA
The time for peaceful negotiations are over. For communists, dialogue is construed as weakness. If it has not worked for 50 years, it is unlikely to work for the next 100 years. The alternative was obvious. Tibetans have demonstrated that they have the resolve to pursue independence and demand thier rights. Our politicians may not be with you. But they are not representative of the people. India's 1.3 billion people are with the Tibetans.
Shivkumar, Chennai, India
all of you talk about the tibetans as it they are angels,who remeber those innocent shopkeepers, hotel employees killed by your angels ? theit sorrowful relatives ,their loss of property .
chamberlain, canada,
WAKE UP! Don't live in the DREAM of "freedom&democracy" weaved by western gov.&media any more. I suppose all have witnessed the "freedom&democracy" enjoyed by Iraqis so far, and many other peoples. Please look at what's happening in China recently:
Early Mar. Uighur terrorists' abortive detonation of an aerobus.
Middle Mar. Tibet's riots instigated by Dalai's clique.
Late Mar. Taiwan's provocative UN voting.
Ain't it CIA's yet another masterpiece that we've been so familiar with? The purpose is clear, if you are not so naive. China is struggling for survival, or it will be the next Yugoslavia.
POLITICS, is the whole story. You may THINK AGAIN whether Dalai is a Lama (Monk) or a politician with great lust for the franchise over his Tibetan slaves. Therefore, no one is standing at the moral apex.
SHAME, should be shed on HYPOCRISY.
Neo, Singapore, Singapore
Sunil, Even Indian Independence owe it's indepence to violent people like subhash chandra bose and chandra shekhar azad.Atleast we have been totally non-violent with them since 1959 except for the CIA manipulation of Some Tibetans in Guerilla Activity.But 90 percent of Tibetans got nothing out of this peaceful way and so what if they attacked few Chinese shops out of desperation and suffocation they have created in their own country.
Wake up to the reality of the situation and i isay it is standing up to what rightfully is your.When non-violence doesn't work, what can they do other than that option?
tenzin, new york city, united state
Westerners witness Tibetans oppressed by a foreign goverment that outlaws their culture and religion, while Chinese argue the same brainwashed thoughts they have been fed throughout their lifetime. "Tibet is a part of China! Whites took land from Native Americans and so Chinese can take land from Tibetans! The Dalai Lama is nothing but a serf owner! China has brought economic wealth to Tibet!" I wonder how many Chinese have actually been there and seen with their own eyes how oppressive their government is...Who will the Chinese listen to if their mighty government is gone? I can't blame Taiwanese for wanting nothing to do with the CCCP, what a hideous gov't. Remember Liu Si. Amazingly enough, Chinese today don't know who Tankman is. Mr. Hu hasn't mentioned that incredible symbol of courage. Instead the CCCP has the cadre heroes of Kelamayi. Won't read about that in the newspapers! Abu Gharib was embarrassing, but we don't hide it. Thank God for the USA, and vote Obama!
Michael, Kunming, China
The Chinese governent is no wrong at all. What will UK government do if such a riot takes place in Scotland,or north island.The only effective way is to crack down the rioters with some stong measures. Compromise to them is stupid! Look to how US government responded to the big riot of LA city in 1992, We should show our support to China!
REMEMBER, NEVER COMPROMISE TO SEPARATISTS AND TERRORISTS!!!
Jiffery, Shandong, China
Check out what TLee says below--China has 56 nationalities and isn't a racist country! Incredible! How can China achieve such wondrous harmony and love between cultures? They must have created a superior political system! We must all learn from them. I say we start with the Great Leap Forward. Let's all stop growing food, and melt pig iron in our garages. Hell, let's just learn all at once, and recite the Three Represents while casting out the Four Olds while molding pig iron in our garages. Oh, and it's ok to spit inside while you're doing this. Add a drop of propaganda and a significant amount of media control, and by following these brilliant Chinese policies we too can achieve social harmony. Again, I repeat: Thank God I am an American.
TLee says: You may have heard a lot about Chinese invasion of Tibet or sympathetic about Tibet Independent movement in Western media. Do you know that China has 56 nationalities and is never a racist country in history?
Michael, Kunming, China
As a chinese, I dont see the incident as foreign mess medias do. From my point of view, the western alway intepret anything done by the china govenmet toward protester as another repression of "TIANANMEN". Although personaly I agree what the govenment did was overreacted and violated human rights at that incident, yet I don't think the situation today is the same as what it was 20 years ago. This time we can see innocent people were hurt and killed. This is riot under the cover of protest. What I can't understand is that why some western media still call this is a peaceful protest. What is more , the way that china delt with the sitution differ from 20 years ago. China show more restraints.Actually, I think the media just report part of the story at this incident basely becasue very few of the western understand china's situation well enough to make fair comment without prejudice and that the people they interview are so call tibet in exile who alway tell their side of stories.
Kong, Guangzhou , China
Why does U.S. not deviate from North American and resume Indian Culture?
peter zhao, Beijing, China
I don't understand people saying Tibetans should be grateful because Chinese government is giving them financial aids and Tibetans' living standards are better now. I'm not even sure if that's actually happening to Tibetans' benefits. But even if it is, that doesn't mean Tibetans should be happy to be Chinese. These people want "independence", not some financial aids, even if it means they will have poorer life.
If Tibet has been a part of China all the time, why are so many Tibetans protesting? It because the Tibetans don't think they ever were Chinese. If Tibetans think this way, I don't think China's "Tibet has been always a part of China" nonsense should be considered at all.
I feel really bad for Tibetan people.
I understand their hopelessness and really hope they can regain their country back.
Daul , Seoul, Korea
Dear Jamphel, NYC, USA,
According to your theory, shouln't the non-native Americans (which accounts to 99% of all Ameridans) move away for the USA, and leave American to the native-Americans?
Leo, Beijing, China
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFwH9AZkwlc
Western media intentionally used wrong pictures and videos to portrait evil red China
John, Los Angeles, CA
In the sense of tibet situtation, lets not forget human right problem in the rest of the world. Lets talk about United States invasion in Iraq, lets talk about Katrina, lets talk about the kids and family that are bombed during operation Iraqi freedom. I guess United States can do what ever they wanted to do, and they just hate to see a once thrid world country emerge as a new world super power. All of this is nothing but an act of jealousy. While United State's economy is at recession, the Chinese GDP grew some 11% last year, the world fastest growing economy. Countries such as United States just hated the idea of Olympic in China, because it promote Chinese pride. I admit, China is not perfect. But we must also put its massive population into consideration. What would a country with 1.3 billion people do if al of its citizen's have total freedom. The Nation as whole would be in chaos, and this is exactly what United States government would want.
Hal , San Francisco, California
The Chinese Government is foolish not to recognise that the Dalai Lama is the key to a peaceful settlement of the Tibetan problem, in which Tibet remains part of China, but with sufficient autonomy to accommodate the cultural differences between Tibetans and Han Chinese. There is some hope that they will change their policy, but the latest inflammatory and ridiculously false statements about the Dalai Lama make that more difficult to achieve in the near future.
The Tibetan exiles may split and the Dalai Lama could either resign as their leader or join a more pro-Chinese faction.
Dick England, Perth, Australia
I'd beg to differ that Tibetans allegedly beating up Han Chinese and Hui on March 14th was the worst violence in Tibet in almost 20 years. Surely the well-documented beatings and torture - in some cases until death - of the hundreds of political prisoners who have served time over the last 20 years constitutes at least equivalent violence? Or the violent suppression by Chinese authorities of any small protests that have broken out? Or the execution of Lobsang Dhondup in 2003 after the framing of Tenzin Delek Rinpoche, whose death sentence was commuted to life and who is still in prison?
Frances, Nelson, Canada
We all have no right to blame anyone except the innocent people who are living in Tibet. Plese leave the Chinese people themselves to deal with this issue!!
Fay, Leeds, uk
Divide and conquer. Well done. What else is there to say. Human kind will never learn. There is no winning tn the situation for all people of China ( Including Tibet region). Will people learn from all the wars only the power house of the world win. Global Agenda!!!!!
Toby, Dade, USA
The fact is mobs of Tibetans killed innocent people in the riots. They also burnt cars, banks, stores. Have you seen one picture about police or army shooting at them? none. There are lots of footages on youtube posted by tourists, watch them and find out the truth yourself.
There are many ways to solve Tibet problem, violence is the last choice.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article3578941.ece
Pen Chan, Toronto, Canada
China's view will rule the World, in 50 years. Unless they collapse, and the USA wouldn't engineer that, would they?
Michael, London,
How comel people generalize EVERY CHINESE is killing Tibetans??? It's the Communist. They killed 10 billion of Han Chinese and the 5000 years of Chinese civilization. Han Chinese are the victims too. Now innocent Han Chinese people have to suffer both the horror of being attacked of Tibetans and oppression of the Communist government. They stuck in the worst situation. Being murdered and nobody do justice for them.
John, Los Angeles, CA
Chinease are killing tibetans directly or indirectly. No wonder why they are not allowing any independent, free press inside tibet and tibetan regions. And i must say that this sums up everything( they are killing tibetan silently)
Jorjey, London, UK
And to those who think they are more inform than the others: think of the place you live in, is it somewhere even close to tibet? think of the source of your information, is it written in Tibetan by somebody belonging to the Tibetan ethnicity, or is it written in English/French/German/Spanish by a white person; still think you know better about this than everyone else? how many tibetan words can you put together to make a coherent sentence.? I'll say you are not any better informed than someone who reads the Chinese propaganda.
Jeff, Victoria, British Columbia
it's hilarious to hear somebody says that the one child policy is for tibetans instead of han people. as far as i know, the minorities are not restricted by this policy. and i believe that tibet has been a part of china since many hundreds years before there is a communist party. the only difference is that different governments in chinese history gave different degree of freedom to tibet. i dont see any reason that the tibetans want independence. without the support of central government, tibetans would suffer a much poorer life. many tibetans even flee to other richer provinces for a better life. independence? see what happened to mongolia. they now have a worse life standard than those in inner mongolia.
jacob, windsor, canada
Riots and ethnic attacks should be condemmed no matter where it happens or who the perpetuators are. I am very sympathetic to the Tibitan's desire for freedom or independence. However, it does appear that ethnic hatred has been stoked either willingly or unwillingly by the Tibitans. HHS should condem the ethinic violence or risks losing moral authority and becoming irrelevant.
Sunil, NY, USA
I'd like to respond to Mike from Sacremento. I've read a great deal of books on Tibet and Tibetan history and am not aware of the existence of slavery at any point in Tibetan history. Before the 1950 Chinese invasion of Tibet, the country had a compex social system where certain segments of society were obligated to work public land and pay a percentage of the harvest to the Tibetan government, but that can hardly be called slavery by any measure of the word. As for the Tibetan government in exile being filled with the Dalai Lama's family members, here again Mike seems to be misinformed. There is one nephew of the Dalai Lama, a Mr. Tenzin Takla, who works in the Dalai Lama's office. Since China's occupation, over a million Tibetans have died as a direct result of executions, labor camps and suicides. In policy and implementation, there is not an iota of difference between Chinese treatment of Tibet and the Japanese actions in China.
John , Boulder, Colorado, USA
No person with any sense of morality will support the chinese occupation of Tibet. I hope decent people and atheletes around the world will boycot the Chinese olympic games and stop buying chinese goods..
Sacha. S, Paris,
Some people are so ignorant here. The Dalai Lama has said again and again that he wants genuine autonomy, not independence. China just doesn't want to listen, they are just waiting for the Dalai Lama to die and think that Tibet issue will die with him but Tibet issue is that of 6 million Tibetans, it will never die until a peaceful solution is met. Please support the Tibetans inside Tibet, they are helpless.
Tenzin Chime, London, UK
In order to understand the present situation in Tibet one should try to extract objective facts of the past of the country. This may be hard as both sides have their subjective views on the matter. There is a documentary in youtube: Cry of the snow lion that gives quite a god overview of Tibet and Tibetan buddhism. For me, at least, it was eye-opening.
Tiina, Helsinki, Finland
No wonder you read
http://www.index-china.com/index-english/Tibet-s.html
and come with your hostory of China. It`s obviously biased. Instead of reading articles written by CHinese, read stuff written by someone who isexpert in it instead of those of oppressors.
Tibet has been there forever..it never was a part of China. Instead Tibetan scholar brought Buddhism from India and then it spread to China. Buddha by the way was born in Lumbini and is an Indian and not CHINESE...now don't tell me you read Buddha was chinese too.
It`s ONE CHILD POLICY FOR TIBETANS..NOT HAN CHINESE.. china is already 1 billion population while tibet is only 5 million and you think Chinese are following one child policy? ONE CHILD POLICY IS A POLITCAL AIM TO ERADICATE TIBETAN RACE FROM THE SURFACE OF EARTH.
yamakashi, turkistan, turkistan
Er, what about Native American culture and Australian Aboriginal culture? Are native Americans and Aborigines taught their mother tongue at school?
Give me a break.
Pete, Cov,
If Olympic is merely a sports event in China, why is the Chinese communist Party/government asking every of his members to take it as "the most important political task in 2008"? Why any protest from ordianry members of the society in China is branded as "to sabotage the olympics"? Why do they start to arrest more dissidents in Beijing? Why do they forbid those exiles to visit China during the Olympics? How many more people's blood need to be shed before the world community could say: "China, no human rights, no friend of us!"
John, Bristol,
It's the Chinese themselves who have turned the Olympics into a propaganda spectacle to show off their new power and wealth. They are using the games to show off. They will trumpet their tally of medals showing their superiority over us barbarians from the west. Meanwhile, read the blogs coming out of China, where in true communist fashion, they will wait until the games are over, and then wreak vengeance on the Tibetans. BOYCOTT the games. My friends, turn off your television, we don't need sell out politicians kow towing to a brutal, repressive dictatorship that is afraid of it's own people.
Wilbur Varela, los Angeles, california, usa
Before you support Dalai Lama, ask yourself a question, do you really know him? He is a good PR person alright, but don't forget, he is a biggest former slave holder in 20th century before he fled to India. Because he is against China's policy of redistributing land to former slaves and serfs. This person had been on CIA payroll for years along with many of his family members. Do you really expect a government to talk to a person that had kissed CIA butt? He even denunced a piece of tibet territory where he was born to India. A traitor!! And if you think he is demoncratic, think again. Check current tibet govement in exile, and see how many of his family members are on the list. YOU DONATION IS JUST FUNDING THEIR CRONY GOVERNMENT AND THEIR LUXURY LIFESTYLE!! WAKE UP AND SAY NO
MIKE, SACRAMENTO,
Tibetans- Please remember how the Soviet Union collapsed. China is a pressure cooker and will burst sooner than later. Have faith. Right will prevail. Cheap DVD making communists will never conquer your spirit. The spirits of the Himalayas, the wisdom of Buddha will see you through.
Kara Swart, London, UK
well the americans destroyed indian culture
David, weymouth, dorset
i wonder how the us would react if 100s of muslims galloped through some american town on horese, shouting long live binladen! with restraint?
David, weymouth, dorset
Lama high caste doing what they do best - trying to hold onto power and bring back the feudal system by sending in the low castes to die for them while they are all in safety of foreign nations which they fled to like cowards.
How can the big shot Lama "resign" as he's "threatening" to do? Didn't realise he's doing a 9-5 desk jobâ¦
Sunil, Kandy,
It's so ridiculous for this "parent" to say these 17-18 year olds shouldn't submit the political documents. They've already been a major force of these political activities or even crimes. I"n case you don't know, the Tibet Buddhism is quite different from Buddhism in other areas of the world in the sense that Tibet Buddhism is much more brutal and asks the followers to revere Dalai Lama rather than the god in heaven. These followers are more similar to those Islamic Extremists than to most Buddhists. I completely support Chinese Government's action unless the "parents" stop fueling hatred to their kids."
Carl, Redmond,
Carl, wad? I am a tibetan buddhist for the last 27 yrs of my life and I have never been forced to revere HH Dalai Lama as god. I agree with things he says thus I respect him not otherwise..so stop giving out false information when you don't know a thing about tibetan buddhism. It`s outrageous to blame someone you didn't even try to listen to.
Carl, xijang, china
It's so ridiculous for this "parent" to say these 17-18 year olds shouldn't submit the political documents. They've already been a major force of these political activities or even crimes. In case you don't know, the Tibet Buddhism is quite different from Buddhism in other areas of the world in the sense that Tibet Buddhism is much more brutal and asks the followers to revere Dalai Lama rather than the god in heaven. These followers are more similar to those Islamic Extremists than to most Buddhists. I completely support Chinese Government's action unless the "parents" stop fueling hatred to their kids.
Carl, Redmond,
The Chinese gvt has been negotiating with Dalai Lama on and off for years. The TYC bear the full responsibility for the recent violence in Tibet. Where is condemnation on the TYC leaderships from the western govt and media? Just because the bystanders and shop owners died in Tibet instead of Israel or Europe?
Give me a break!
To xingtao:
I seriously doubt you know anything about China. The "opressed minority" actually enjoy more privileges than the Han Chinese in additional to the financial assistance received:
(1)They can have more children while the Han Chinese have to limit to one child per family. Yes, China should abundant this policy. But don't turn around and tell me that China is burning to much coal and causing global warning. (2)They enjoy a better work opportunity within the govt organization much like the affirmative action in the US but better. (3) Their kids can go to colleges even if they score lower than the Han Chinese.
Ask yourself how many American Indians or Australia aboriginals enjoy the same?
Nicky, NJ, USA
Tibet is part of China for more than 700 years
(You may have heard a lot about Chinese invasion of Tibet or sympathetic about Tibet Independent movement in Western media. Do you know that China has 56 nationalities and is never a racist country in history. Do you know that Tibetan immigrated to Tibet several thousand years ago from other part of China? Do you know that when Red Army entered Tibet in 1951, they also recovered other part of China (Chinese army invaded China????). Do you know that before 1951, the feudal lords in Tibet who constituted only five percent of the population possessed 95 percent of the means of production. Do you know that Buddhism was brought into Tibet from China Proper before being developed into the current state? Read the Tibet history before passing your judgment about a nation you have been misled in centuries.)
Read on...
http://www.index-china.com/index-english/Tibet-s.html
TLee, LA, US
to all:
face the fact. tibetan will never get independance. this is only in their dream. if they can not success in the past 20 years ago, would you expect it will be happen nowaday. china is stronger now. wake up tibetan.
mike, ny, ny
No matter what is cause or the blame, violence is not right. The policy of PRC toward Tibet needs to change and a less controlling person should be in charge there. But with violence escalating into bomb attacks, therefore terrorism, no amount of dialog or chang can be done until the violence right now is stopped.
The protesting should go 2 ways. One toward PRC's policy, the other toward a duplicitous Dalai and his group of exiled upperclass longing to return to feudal power.
thrawn, NYC, USA
The bottom line is that the Chinese Empire is intent on BOTH holding on to already-subjugated territories (Tibet, East Turkestan), AND expanding (Taiwan, then Mongolia, Eastern Russia, Korea, Japan, Vietnam...)
Jim, San Francisco, USA
United Nation should walk the talk and do something now to avoid another september 11 dissaster elsewhere in the world or another palestine situation.Simply giving lip service and empty promise has become a habit to make the organization itself less guilty.It's a matter of whether we can trust on UNO or on the international/global community.Tibetans are waiting and the time deadline of their patience is very limited at the point.
In a way, United Nation's passiveness is turning peaceful Tibetan people hopeless with non-violence and I am afraid we might start listening to our heart and to our natural God-given instinct (fighting against wrongful oppression).To call our action violent then is to be coward and shallow existence.
Free Tibet...
tenzin, new york city, united state
Forget all this emotive historical stuff - it's 2007 - can Tibet actually stand as an independent modern economy. No, so it's all over guys, just get on and stop bombing, beating and murdering the local chinese civilians and maybe you'll get some understanding and sympathy.
Roarke, Wembley, UK
one day I listened to tucson native radio,the host said the only reason that the Chinese athletes are doing so well in the olimpic games is because they will be executed if they dont do well in the game,and you know what,some american listeners believe this.you know what I believe,this western media knows nothing about China and many innocent americans are fooled.
patric, tucson, usa
I would not say China has destroyed Tibetan culture, I just think Tibet and the rest of China is getting more and more westernised or Americanized as you would put it. It's not Tibetan culture which is ebbing away, but thousands of years of Chinese culture and traditions are gradually losing out to the west as well. China is at a hub of changes, you either catch up with it or facing the danger of being left behind, like those young Tibetans, they are poorly educated, could not speak Chinese (sadly nearly all employment opportunities require that), jealous of other Chinese who have made money and becoming rich and could not integrate into society, it's very easy for them to blame somebody else for the problems they are facing, and therefore take it out to Chinese, I would say only themselves could sort out their problems, the government can only help so much, and independence wouldn't do much help as well. Sad.
C, London,
Tibet should be an indipendent State. It was unjustly occupied by China after the World War II. Now the time is come to give again the indipendence to this country but Western Democracies are doing nothing....Why? We are afraid....We are afraid to lose our money and our industries....
So, the U.N. should have the task to solve the problem....what is it waiting for?
Enrico, Lecce, Italy
Yes, I do know the true histroy of Tibet.
My mum and dad were both born there. My mum was lucky to escape within a couple of months after the Chinese invaded. My poor dad however spent years in 're-education programmes' simply because he wouldn't denounce the Dalai Lama. My dad is a community doctor, treating everyone for free so I hardly think he could be accused of being a 'terrorist'. The Tibetan people have suffered so much. So don't come out with 'do you know the real histroy' line!
Dechen, London, UK
Han Chinese have no place in Tibet. Let me dissect the China's claim over Tibet one at a time. Here is the first one:
The first recorded Tibetan king was established in 127 BC. The China's claim of Tibet being part of China is Yuan dynasty (1271 to 1368) ruled Tibet. But Yuan in Chinese is å æ which means Mongolian. It was Mongol empire that invaded China, Tibet and much of Asia and set up their capital in Peking. Under the Mongol Yuan dynasty, no Mongol army was presence in Tibet. In fact, Tibet enjoyed special privilege under Mongol rule since it was the spiritual source of the Dynasty. Freedom for all
jamphel, NYC, USA
If you want to know the trueth, you have to go to tibet to see with your own eyes, instead of being fooled by the media and government propaganda.
Jimmy, N.A., usa
Xingtao, Far from destruction,the government has actually given many perferential policies on the Tibetan education.
Jessie, GD, China
Most of you western population should get something clear first, the Chinese don't force you to buy Chinese goods. Goods you buy are from China only because it is profitable for seller to do so. In fact, based on the same principle of making profit, most of the textile industries have already shifted from China to Southeast Asia, this is the basics of economics, but some always tend to tie it with political issues. Second, I don't think the west have done a very good job in terms of handling ethic problems. Take UK government for example, I don't understand why parties such as BNP are allowed in the first place, it is outright racism. Foreigners getting beated up everyday but the society putting very little attention to it. As to the US, I don't even need to put any words on US and Iraq. The fact is, social unrest exist in every society, but the western media tend to exaggerate the situation in China in paticular. The Chinese society is actually more stable than most of you may think.
Hal, Shenzhen, China
Regardless of whether or not China has committed cultural genocide in Tibet, there are now many thousands of Han Chinese living in Tibet alongside the Tibetans. The Chinese government, despite all it's downfalls has a duty to protect the innocent Han Chinese in the riot areas. If the rioters are overturning cars, destroying Han Chinese shops and businesses, then something has to be done to control the situation.
The problem is we can expect the government/army reaction to be harsh, and provoke harsh reaction from the rioters. After 1989 the Chinese are terrified of another public protest getting out of hand, and deal swiftly with thousands of riots and protests every year.
Rich Tomlin, Nottingham , UK
Before speaking out "boycott" China or China made products, just check your daily use products in the TV room. The IPODs, the radios, the HIFIs,...
Think again to speak this kind of political words. Business is business, and sports are sports. No need to get politics into the area.
Qing Situ, Portsmouth,
Tim,
What's the fault with Chinese gvt? They r just detaining those who have broken the law. Robbery and arson should be punished everywhere in the world. If I set a fire in your home, will you call the police to help? Will the police detain me? Will they use forces if I fought against them? Will they kill me if threaten to kill the police officers?
Tom, New York, USA
Have you guys been to China before? How do u know what happened there? Do not always critize the things that you do not quite understand. Do you know the real history in Tibet? And what happened in the last few decades? Do not just say something, I think it is better to do something to really understand the reasons by yourself.
Steve, Canada,
Dear Joe in Chengdu, China.
Do not believe everything you see on your TV or read in your newspapers. You do not have a free and unbiased press.
Tim, London, UK
I think if people around the world register their protest by stopping buying goods made in China, this should focus the China government and people's attention. They do not need to treat their people in such an appalling way!
Of course this is contentious as this would affect profits of other countries who manufacture in China. Of course we all benefit from cheaper Chinese goods, but we should try to take a moral stance.
Tim, London, UK
I think every decent religion teaches tolerance and non-violence. But you look at the Israeli, tolerance? I dont think so.
Anyway, I think the Chinese government should really start negotiations with Dalai Lama. He's not a hardline person. But after he dies, who knows whether the next leader of the whole group will be a hardliner or not?
Jack, Hong Kong,
This is an absolute discrace, and an absolute discrace that our so called Western Democracies are not condeming China and withdrawing from the Beijing Olympics in protest.
Leon Jones, Cwmbran, Torfaen / Wales
Budhist beliefs are based upon equality and compassion for all. However, China has stripped Tibetans of their religion and hence essentially their entire culture. The outcome is understandably violent in the wake of this ongoing attrocious genocide. And the notion that the US will not speak up due to financial implications- their interdependence and reliance upon China- is disgusting and deeply sad. If Tibet was a source of natural resources the US troops would long ago have been underway.
Kate , New Paltz, NY, USA
gettting worse.
this is no longer abt freedom.
do not always blame chinese gov.
look at what monks and tiots did.they are killling innocent pepole.
wish it'll be a little better.
JOE, chengdu, china
All of this is the result of Chinese distruction of Tibetan society. Budhism teaches tolerance and non violence. Without hope and without the teachings of their religion, Tibetan youth in China will resort to violence because of their frustration. When China closed the monasteries and cut the link between Tibetans and their religion through reeducation and the supression of the Tibetan language they set a path for the distruction of Chinese values by the opressed minority.
xingtao, new york, usa