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More than 600 people involved in violent protests in Tibet have surrendered to the authorities, China said yesterday as Potala Palace, the seat of the Dalai Lama, reopened for the first time since riots swept Lhasa, the capital, 12 days ago.
State media said that 280 people had surrendered in Lhasa and 381 in a county of southwestern Sichuan province, where police opened fire to try to disperse crowds demanding the return of the Dalai Lama and independence for the Himalayan region.
Since the March 14 riots in Lhasa and after protests that spread to other Tibetan communities, about 660 people have turned themselves in to the authorities. Those who do not surrender have been told they will face punishment and a “most wanted” list of 53 people has been publicised on television, with offers of rewards to those who turn anyone in.
A Communist Party chief said that the Dalai Lama and associates were to blame for the violence. He said: “Most of those who have come forward are ordinary people and monks who were deceived or coerced.”
Details emerged yesterday of protests in the city of Xigaze, Tibet’s second city. About a dozen monks from Tashilunpo monastery, the religious seat of the Panchen Lama, managed to make their way briefly on to a city street, residents said. Paramilitary police quickly turned them back.
Monks wanting to leave the monastery must now sign a book giving a reason for going out.
It is unusual for lamas from Tasilunpo to join in anti-Chinese unrest based in Lhasa because of the history of rivalry between the Dalai Lama, Tibet’s temporal leader, and the Panchen Lama, the spiritual leader of Tibetan Buddhism.
The Chinese crackdown on the protests has left at least 135 people dead, 1,000 injured and 400 arrested, Karma Chophel, the head of the Tibetan parliament-in-exile, told reporters at the European Parliament in Brussels yesterday.
“We believe the number of people dying, injured, arrested, could be ten times more than the confirmed reports,” he added. China has reported 20 deaths, 19 of them in Lhasa.
Tibetans were sacrificing their lives “to voice their dissent against Chinese rule,” Mr Chophel said. “They are doing this at the cost of their lives, thinking that the European countries who have political power, economic power . . . will speak up.”
Mr Chophel, who will address the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva tomorrow, urged Europe to make sure its “moral power is not compromised in order to have good trade relations with China”.
Tibetan sources said that monks at monasteries around Lhasa were now required to pledge their allegiance to China and to denounce the Dalai Lama. Many, especially younger lamas, had fled to avoid the re-education and possible punishment.
The education campaigns, which have increased under Zhang Qingli, the Communist Party leader in Tibet, are blamed by some for sowing resentment of Beijing within the monasteries.
Foreign reporters who were taken on a government visit to Lhasa yesterday were urged not to go into the streets at night for their own safety, even though they saw plenty of police patrols.
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Philip, Oxford, England
Not all pro China comments are from China. I am not from China though my roots are from China. I am Malaysian and I am not anti west for the sake of being anti West. I am just for pro truth.
You guys are not fools and neither are we. The West cannot deny its media are not biased. It is proven that some scenes of the unrest was intentionally distorted to give a bad impression of Chinese police actions. You showed pictures of Nepalese police action in Katmandu, Nepal and say it happened in Tibet. Yes very ambarassing is it not? Now don't tell me it was an oversight. You guys have all sorts of explanations. When the shipment of nuclear fuses to Taiwan was found out, the Americans said it was a mistake. Pure damage control. No?
Maybe you are not aware of all these?
No we are not paid for writing. We just want to have our say, to right the wrongs the West is protraying. Have a nice day.
Lim, Johor Bahru, Malaysia
I can see Chinese people's points and see their great patriotism and pride towards their own country. But how about Tibetans' point of view? As far as they are concerned, they have been invaded. They have endured oppression under very strict Chinese rules for nearly 20 years. There had been no violent protests before because Dalai Lama had called for non-violent protest. Tibetan have respected this very patiently. I would like to know sincerely if Chinese people know that how controlled and oppressed Tibetans have been under Chinese occupation. Some Tibetans were arrested and tortured for years just because they had been handing out pro Tibet leaflets. Have Chinese people seen Tibetans' despair and fear? I do not like violence at all, however, I can see people's frustration. Would you at least support with the idea of opening a peaceful dialog between Chinese and Tibetan governments?
Aiko, London,
haiming, Beijing, China
I agree with you. Chinese Govt.is loo lenient in dealing with these terrorists. If one is to follow SUN ZE's art of War, then the extreme leaders should be executed. This will prevent more and unnecessary deaths.
Anyway your Govt has done what it thought best. We shall not harp on this. Let's just hope the situation will fully calm down to enable all to live and work together to a better and brighter future.
I am sure the Chinese people wants to live in peace and harmony not only within itself but with the rest of the world too.
I am confident China will host the most outstanding Olympics the world will ever witness for a long time to come notwithstanding the constant attemps by some quarters to disrupt..
Do stand proud. What ever your Govt. did, does or will do, is in the interest of your Nation and all Chinese including the 55 ethic minority people.
Peace be with you my friend. I also look forward to the day when all Asia will unite.
Lim, Johor Bahru, Malaysia
@ bob - sheffield
your repsonse show the point that was being made,even if you can not understand it.
Geoff, Scotland, UK
Please be fair to China, what else can a country do when ppl r out killing and destroying things... if china sits there and do nothing.. the western media probaly start saying China is unsecure to host the oylimpic.. bla bla bla... wake up! The cold war is OVER...
HH, HK,
For all the comment I sew in this website,
I donot anticipant western people to lay down their prejudice at once.
But I want to appeal all the chinese people abroad who can see the article: return to China, and serve your own country, although she have many shortcomings, but she is our motherland, and you can help to improve it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Andy Qiu, Wuxi, China
The Times online version is not blocked in China ,nor is this article blocked in China.Ordinary people in China can view and comment on this article,and the Chinese commenting here is not paid propagandists as some would believe.Now,there are many chinese students studying in British Universities,they all have relatives living in China,they can tell you whether this is the case.So,for those who really wants to find out the truth,it is a relatively straightforward matter.
I will not discuss the problem of morality,because this has no objective answer.All I want to say is that Chinese people will never allow Tibet to be separated,and there are indeed some,including me, who are not satisfied by the Goverment's response ---it's too lenient,China should really deal those separatists in the way that Putin dealt with Chechenian terrorists:drown them in the stool.
This is not caused by propaganda,it is just natural reaction for a nation who witnessed the tragedy of Russia in 1990's.
haiming, Beijing, China
How is China government truns to support the independance of Scotland and North Ireland? Of cource a broken United Kingdom and a broken United States will make the world better for China.
What a brilliant idea! Hope China seriously consider to start supporting the independance movements in the UK.
Qing Situ, Portsmouth,
@Philip, Oxford, England
No, it isn't justified. But then, neither is stereotyping anyone who is a nationalist of their respective country as mindless minions, wirelessly fed speeches in broken english to a website, which is exactly what you were suggesting.
Howard, Manchester,
Zoe
no idea of what you are saying here although you appear to be criticising anyone who is proud of their nation, despite the challenges it faces.
I'm British and very proud of my country, depsite some of our more questionable actions in the past and present.
I'm sure most Chinese people are very proud of their country, despite the issues in the Tibetan province. Most Chinese (inclusive of Han, Zang, Hui, Zhuang etc) are incredibly pragmatic and appreciate why some things happen "behind closed doors". In many respects, media control avoids adverse propaganda which fuels this kind of internal terrorism we have seen on behalf of this minority of idiots rioting in the streets of Chinese cities and towns.
For most Chinese, being able to work, receive education, earn money and look after their facilities is ahead of the political issues in Tibet, and whether or not they have access to the news becomes irrelevant when you are over 1000 miles away living in peace and prosperity
Bob, Sheffield, UK
If Chinese Government has been blocking internet access in China,how can I read this discussion of The times?
Elton Zeng from Shanghai,China
Elton Zeng, shanghai, China
Zoe, Isle of Wight, Hampshire, Please YOU WAKE UP first. that's the freedom you meant right? Are those with pro-Bin Laden views able to post them on your country's media for free discussion? Stop being naive!!!
Yan, Jinan, China
We dont get paid to write. we are defending ourselves from western idiots who are just sore that the olympics got awarded to a country thats not yours or under your thumbs. also how do you believe a figure made up by a government IN EXILE? and i have noticed some startling inconsistencies with the deaths from chinese occupation. Ranging from thousands to millions. pretty strange considering how there were 1.2 million tibetans to start of with in the first place. we couldnt have killed million could we, considering how there still are tibetans
David, Weymouth, Dorset
some guys said the majority and the minority,and you must not come to China.You only know the number,but you don't know that the minority have the more rights and benefits.They have the excess allowance.
Come to here,and let your eyes tell you the truth.
fes, Beijing, China
To the pro-China brigade:
Thank you for contributing your views on the corruption and 'lies' of the Western media. Please note you have been allowed to discuss your feelings on said media for others to freely view and discuss. This is democracy and freedom of speech and opens the door to dialogue and better understanding.
However, my understanding is that the Chinese Government has been blocking internet access in China and preventing free discussion of the Tibet issue. Are those with pro-Tibetan views able to post them on Chinese media for free discussion?
WAKE UP!!!
Zoe, Isle of Wight, Hampshire
It is easy from the comfort of ones home to suggest a minorty group in China is disrupting the lives of the majority. Why doen't the majorty speak up? Maybe because the majority of Chinese ordinary people have been lied to consistently for decades even centuries by their rulers. GET REAL Whatever your personal beliefs NOBODY has the right to do what the Chinese authorities in Beijing are doing both to Tibetans, the other ethnic groupings, and true blood Chinese who collectively make up the country now known as China
Rose, Bradford
Rose Purple, Bradford,
ahhhhhhhhhhh, to Howard of Manchester, so its quite correct to supress a whole people, destroy their culture, outbreed the indigenous population, supress religous rights etc etc. its really not justified is it?? China is a bully, fact.
Philip, Oxford, England
amazing how a minority if idiots think they have the right to ruin something for 1.3 billion people
David, Weymouth, Dorset
Why is it that everytime someone responds to a pro-chinese comment it's "paid for by their brainwashing Commie Government"? Perhaps some people - shock horror - actually disagree with you.
But no, it's far easier to demonise the country.
Howard, Manchester,
Please ensure that the TIBET AND BURMA news remain in the fore front of your media highlights so that optimum pressure is exerted on CHINA.
THANKS
Tun, huddersfield,
Countries have always dominated others rightly or wrongly but it always ends in tears unless you rule for the benefit of the people you seek to control,communism isn't bad it's the people who run it that are bad, if you want to rule a country listen to it's people what harm would it do if the Chinese said fine worship Buddhism speak your language but we will control your economic growth etc...when you are too strict with your people you will always create resentment...
Simon Harrison, Nottingham, England
To all those people replyng from china, come on guys were not fools, how much are you getting paid to write, Its almost embarrassing.
Philip, Oxford, England
Whatever it is right or wrong in some west politicians's eyes,Iibet is a part of China in Chinese people's eyes. This statement is out of central government control.
I think if the westmedia insist real justice, they should to raise a poll about how much tibetans eager for go back the absolute lama time, and make sure how much Chinese will support the protesters.
IF, you don't want do the great program, and go on criticize China Central government, please comdemn 99% of Chinese and 98% tibetans!
dongshuang, beijing, china
Boycot the opening ceremony, not the games itself! Today our prime minister as a first european leader made a statement not ot come to the opening ceremony to show solidarity with Tibetan victims of communist regime of China. Congratulations!
Marek Poller, Krakow, Poland
The prejudice from the west root in your ignorance about non-western civilization, when tens of millions of Chinese student now learning English and other Latins, when millions of Chinese student study abroad, how many westerners can really mastery non-Latin language, can understand the history of Eastern, Arab, Africa, or even Latin America?
The hegemony of west media, in the long run, will hurt themselves which bring them ignorance and haughty. Today as long as any Chinese want, he can get abundance information and report about western word, but as to westerner, for lack of sufficient media cover (donot mention those report about China that always see from only one angle, always hackneyed, and full of western point of view ) , how hard of you to know china roundly in this century?
Andy Qiu, Wuxi, China
west media:
i respect the spirit of pursuing of freedom, and your religional tradition. but, you respect our willing of pursuing peace and development interactively, please!
all of you forgot the fact tibet is a absolute monarchy before 1959, and the there no any protesters in backward tibet.
tibetan should't and would't go back to be slavery times
dongshuang, beijing, china
TIME really make me know what is hypocrites and double standards. I express my opinion here but they did not it to be published. just because I criticize your hypocrites? REALLY SHAME YOUR SO CALLED "FREEDOM"!!!!
changsheng, Jinan, China
no violence! we need peace!
dongshuang, beijing, china
wellcome all of u guys come to China.Seeing is believing.No matter what is the truth, be calm and rational. The information you got and I got is all come from the media and goverment. Let the time prove what is the truth.
Be honest and don't tell ties is a basic moral guild line for humans."R Tanson, C'ville, VA, USA" said "Over 1 million of an original 6 million ethnic Tibetan have been exterminated since the 1950's. ",please prove that . Now the population of Tibetan is amost 7.5 million.How dare you say 80% of them were exterminated by our government?
arthur, Beijing, China
1.3 billion Chinese deserve to have an uninterupted Olympics. Those who suggest a boycott of the Beijing game are likely revealing their long-held prejudice against the Chinese people. The symathy for Dala Lama from some westerners is nothing but a way to relieve their own feeling of guilty of instigating the uprising in the early 1950's that led to the flee of Dala Lama. Some people are just too inclined to claim a moral higher ground over other people, only find later that how hypocritic themselves are. Unfortunatly, in this case, such an action to feel good may not serve the long-term interest of these hypocrites, nor the interest of the Tibetians. Look at what happend to the Iraqi people? Did many people support the invasion initially because they thought the US action will benefit the Iraqis? The world is complex, and should deal with with that complexity in mind.
Daniel, Boulder, CO
Time will tell us the truth about Tibei.
I will be back.
chai, WuHan, China
If the riot happened in your country, your friends and brethren were injured, the stores were fired,the banks were robbed, what would you say??? Please tell me why so many media in west ignored the victim???why so many media in west didnot condemn the mob??? Is it just the so-called "FREE"?
Lysino, Beijing, China
Boycott the Olympics! Ask former US President
Jimmy Carter about the results - not - of our boycott
of the Olympics.
Strictly 'feel good' nothing more.
I feel sorry for the people for the people of Tibet and
have since since China swooped down on Tibet years ago.
Also, I would dread to have to go through the 'education'
program that will be inflicted on the protesters.
Talk about being bored out of your skull. To me that
is a form of torture.
J erry Scriggin, Phoenix, Arizona/USA
"Accept the ground reality that every tibetan regardless of thier age & walks of life pledge thier loyalty to thier own leader the Dalai Lama"
This sounds pretty backward to me, like Europe medieval where everyone pledge their loyalty to the Pope.
Are we in the West supposed to promote "democracy" and "rule of law", _not_ theocracy. Why in the case of Iran and Middle East, we are so upset with their theocratic government, but in the case of Tibet, we are cheering on? Why do you fall so much in love with Dalai Lama? Is that because Richard Gere and other liberals love him?
Wait until he or his followers turn against the "Western Civilization". We are now making China in the mold of West, trying to push materialism in Tibet.
Aaron O'Brien, St. Paul, MN USA
Why are people giving so much credibility to a guy who claims to be reincarnated from the previous Dalai Lama? It is a fact that the monks turned violent and went on a rampage. This betrays Buddhism, betrays the Tibetan freedom movement, and violates law and order in any country. All the former colonial powers, with your past and on-going human rights abuses, please get down from your high horses, and face the fact that Tibet will never be free, even if the Tibetans resort to terrorist activities.
Plama, Temasek, Singapore
The Chinese government and people will not surrender to the terrorists. This is a critical moment for both China and the world. Dalai Lama should take full responsibility of the violence and apologize to the world. Such a shame many wish to use the Olympic Games as a tool to suppress Chinaâs growth. Unfortunately the Chinese people will never allow this to happen.
Meng, London, UK
It would be a shame if American or European officials will take part in openning ceremony of Olympics. After all this Chinese Communist regime brutality.
gene, fremont, CA
I think it is all about proper control on your colonies. In example USA either escaped from GB control or gained control under Mexican territories. That is successful policy benchmark they now teach perspective countries to implement.
Alexey, Novosibirsk, Russia
The way I feel today is that there should be an Olympic boycot until there is a peaceful solution - I hope China starts to talk with honesty to the Dali Lama as he has consistantly asked for peaceful dialogue towards future progress. Hopefully over the next few weeks China will loose it's fears and start dialogue and we will again enjoy the true spirit of the Olympics
M Bailey, Birmingham , uk
Shame on China! Boycott Chinese goods as much as possible and boycott the Chinese Olympics. Tibetans deserve to have their country back. It was never really Chinese--read history, not China's propaganda.
The Chinese masses have no idea what's going on in their COLONIZED countryside; the only news they get is first approved by the Chinese Communist Party, a party that, to be accurate, should call itself the Chinese Capitalist Party. Money is the name of their game.
Kandroma , New York,
It seems to me that if you cause a riot, you ought to expect that the police will control it, even if that means the use of violence such as teargas, batons, etc.
That's the way they do it in Western countries. Why not in China?
Martin Morley, Townsville, Nebraska
Tibet will emerge out from the decades of dark age. long live the Dalai Lama.We shall overcome someday. Truth always prevails no matter how long it takes. Chinese ancient method of cruel and lie simply won't work. High time for China gracefully engage humanely with the Dalai Lama. Accept the ground reality that every tibetan regardless of thier age & walks of life pledge thier loyalty to thier own leader the Dalai Lama
jamphel, new york,
The Chinese have been responsible for a holocaust in Tibet to rival the Nazis. Over 1 million of an original 6 million ethnic Tibetan have been exterminated since the 1950's. The monasteries, Tibet's sets of learning and repositories for the complete canon of Buddhism, nearly 6,000 were raised to the grounds, the artifacts stolen by the Chinese. Now more Han Chinese occupy the Tibetan plateau than Tibetans, their land despoiled and used as dumping grounds for China's waste. After decades of concentration camps, rape and killing of monks and nuns, it is time to cut through the Chinese propaganda and speak truth to evil.
R Tanson, C'ville, VA, USA