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John Hutton, the Defence Secretary, has compared the Taleban and al-Qaeda to the Nazis, saying that British forces in Afghanistan are defending the country’s values as they did in the Second World War.
In an interview in The Times today, Mr Hutton says that, like the war to defeat Hitler, the military campaign in Afghanistan is “a vital national security mission” and not just a matter of foreign affairs.
“We know that we must tackle the [terrorist] threat at source, it is not just going to go away,” he says. “It is a struggle against fanatics that may not challenge our borders but challenges our way of life in the same way the Nazis did.” British troops may be a long way from home but they are “defending our values and that must be understood”.
Mr Hutton gives warning that the war in Afghanistan will be long and hard. “We will stay there as long as is necessary to secure all of our objectives – it’s going to be years,” he says.
“The key thing now is not that the Taleban or al-Qaeda can defeat us in Afghanistan, their tactic is to outlast us. That’s what we’ve got to deal with. That’s the nature of this counter-insurgency operation . . . It doesn’t lend itself to instantaneous results. This is a very complex, challenging environment for us to be operating in.”
His comments will be seen as a sign that the Government may be preparing to soften up public opinion for a possible increase in troops next year. Ministers are concerned that the public will not support a lengthy and dangerous war of attrition in Afghanistan, which has already led to the deaths of 134 British soldiers. Mr Hutton’s comments came as The Times learnt that village defence forces, similar to those developed by General David Petreaus, the US commander in Iraq, are to be piloted in Afghanistan as part of new tactics to halt the advance of the Taleban in the south of the country.
It is expected that the Afghan Government and the United Nations will reveal the plans in the new year. They will focus on “critical districts” that are in danger of falling to Taleban insurgents.
In tandem with Afghan and UNbacked reforms of local government, Nato forces will help to develop and mentor irregular district defence forces made up of local tribesmen. They will be similar to those created under the Sons of Iraq programme that was credited with reducing insurgent violence in Iraq.
Forty “critical districts” have been identified across Afghanistan and five are due to take part in pilot trials earlynext year.
Lieutenant-General Jim Dutton, the new British deputy commander of Nato forces in Afghanistan, confirmed the plans for pilot schemes, adding that “it depends on how successful those are. They will be in areas that are dominated by US forces.”
He said that because of the limited forces available, Nato commanders will concentrate only on those areas where they can successfully clear out the Taleban and keep them out, in effect ceding control of some parts of the country to the insurgents.
The Afghan Government aims to create paid local “community councils” of tribal leaders in the 40 critical districts. The councils will sign community contracts with central government. In return for promising to “expel, deter and prevent” insurgents locally, the councils will receive government undertakings to provide additional security forces to defend them and to achieve reconstruction work.
A Western military official told The Times: “Under the contract, one element will be to raise and employ a certain number of young men, probably around 50 per district, for static security tasks. They will be coordinated with the army, accountable to the community councils and representative of the various tribes involved.”
The proposals are to be put forward as the first of up to 30,000 more US troops arrive in the country. While some will be used to support Afghan National Army forces in the critical districts, most will be deployed in provinces along Afghanistan’s ring road, where Western military planners say that 80 per cent of the country’s population is concentrated.
Some Western officials and Afghan tribal elders expressed scepticism about the plans. “It must be the communities who decide who represents them,” said a Western official who did not wish to be named. “If the community doesn’t believe that the new body represents them, it is doomed to fail.”
Another said: “If there is any interference from international forces, the locally raised forces won’t work. I can’t be optimistic, this needs to be better designed and thought up.”
Previous attempts to engage local communities have been dogged by factionalism and intertribal tensions.
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Comparing the Taleban threat with the Nazi threat is just absurd. The Nazi threat was to occupy Britain - the Taleban threat is to expel Western troops from Afghanistan. And just by the way, many of the upholders of "British values" in high places were in fact Nazi sympathisers.
Henry Laycock, kingston, canada
Ending the corruption in Kabul must be step one .Paying the farmers to destroy their poppy fields and grow different crops , thus denying the Talaban monetary assets , is step two . Involving the leadership and manpower of the Northern Alliance is step three. Sealing off infilltration routes , step4
frank, N.J., U.S.A.
8 years in Afghanistan - we now control 20% at most (to be optimistic). The Taliban control 54%.
At least 20,000 civilians have died as a result of the war. The figures aren't exact, it could be up to 36,000.
10% in 4 years, 100% in 40 years?
If so, say goodbye to 100,000 civilians.
Gerard, Southampton, England
British troops are going to be increased in Afghanistan because the Americans are planning another war. This is going to be against Iran.
The face at the White House may have changed but the politics have not. The zionist politics dominating affairs will entail carrying out israeli policies.
Richard Keighley , Worthing, Britain
I am so sick of Britain being the poodle to whoever barks orders at us from America. We're being brainwashed into fighting American wars. They keep invading and attacking anyone who has resources or a strategic position in the middle east. More falsified evidence to keep killing innocent people?
K. Haslett , London,
Obviously the mentality of the days of the British Empire are not over. Millions were massecred in the name of empire but the racists ignored the suffering and deaths of anyone who wasn't white. We're still invading and maligning anyone who isn't white and christian. Shame on all involved in this.
Barry Simmonds , Reigate,
Guantanamo, Baghram, CIA secret rendition, torture, women (like the Pakistani doctor Afiya Siddique and her 3 young children abducted and tortured for years, despite repeated denials by the US), illegal war against the Iraqi nation which led to over 1 million dead from war...WE did this Hutton.
Neil Paigne , Croydon, England
Bit of a shame then that it's us that's going around invading people - and condoning imprisoning people without trial (and lets not forget the torture) - oh, a bit like the Nazis
Clive, Surrey,
This is just another example of New Labour using Orwell's 1984 as an instruction manual. A perpetual "war", real or not, is effective for controlling the masses.
"We are at war with the Taleban. We have always been at war with the Taleban."
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
Simon, Brentwood, UK
And who exactly supported and financed the Taliban during their 80's war against the USSR? err UK/USA - sticking up for our values again. Why has opium production gone up 20 fold since UK/USA invaded? Sticking up for our values again or were the Taliban by destroying the opium crops?
Connor O'Daly, Thorpe, UK
Rubbish. The only British values shown by our occupation are those of Empire- when we do what we want in other non-white countries and ignore what they want. Out of Afghanistan, now.
David, Essex, UK
These guys have wreaked havoc in the entire free world. If we don't want to live under the shadows of terror all the time, if we want to leave for our children a fearless and humane society, we've got to fight these animals to death. Yes, it is a fight for our values - values of the free world!
Ashish Deodhar, Lancaster, UK
Hutton and his advisers should learn from history.
One example should suffice: Greece 1943-49 tens of thousands killed, [property destroyed with the 'defeat' the local communists but look at the KKE today with its own daily and TV/radio station.
Think again?
An ancient Greek in London
Nicholas Xenakis, Borough, London, London, England
The Nazis never had the Atomic Bomb.
Chris, London,
Why invade other countries to rid them of extreme Islamism then attempt a prosecution of a TV station for pointing out that it's happening here? The WW2 analogy is indicative of Labour's pathetic spun attempt at appealing to national values. The C4 debacle indicates the real agenda.
logdon, stockport, united Kingdom
Well said, Richard of Bridgwater. I couldn't agree more.
Ben Bisley, Bedford, UK
The Army is not for parades! Defeating Taliban is definitely our vital national interest because allowing them to terrorise us affects liberty of 60 million Britons. Withdrawing from Falklands/Gibraltar affects liberty of a few thousand for comparison.
Hyder Ali, London, England, UK
These wars have taken huge amounts of treasure from Britain. Somewhere is a gratefull silent majority. Really, except for the politicians who are kept in power by our troops where are they? But to suck out the Muslim radicals on a Jihad is the strategy, thats working so it is a killing field,
Peter , Windsor, England
What values are british forces defending fighting unwinable war 6000 miles away , as in second world war you stayed american poodle and still you have not retained identity . what a truck load of rubbish from a useless prime ministers useless defence secretary
mag, suffolk,
Quite agree with Martin Wallace but with one modification i.e. we adopt the attitude of "when in Rome, do as the Romans" and rigorously apply it in this country. If we do not interfere in others' countries, it should be axiomatic that we do not allow interference, under whatever guise, in ours.
Wannago, Preston,
Codswollop. Hitler invaded half of Europe; al-Q & Taleban are terrorists & religious extremists. This kind of comparison wrongly elevates them to a level of threat that encourages them! Their warped religion, extreme Saudi Wahabbism, is the problem: sending our troops does nothing to deal with that.
Donna Walker, Effingham, England
Hutton is talking rubbish - and he knows it. The Taleban are religious extremists, and it is ridiculous to suggest that their influence could win much support in the UK. We worked through that phase in the 16th and 17th centuries. The Nazis, moreover, were socialists like Mr Hutton.
Tom Welsh, Basingstoke,
The fact the government has to regularly explain to the public why we're in Afghanistan should ring alarm bells. The reasons for fighting a war in a far off country should be clear to everyone or else we shouldn't be there.
pete, wales,
Labour is bringing in Taliban values into the heart of the nation and indeed government at all levels, while pretending to fight them abroad. We could be rescuing Zimbabwe, but prefer to waste the lives of our youth, as did the Soviets, in the unmodernisable tribal territories of Afghanistan.*
Tom, Wantage, UK
Martin Wallace We are losing British lives because we have the largest Pakistani diaspora in the world and there are 400,000 trips to Pakistan a year which means we are constantly at risk. The right to free travel for those who wish us harm seems to be worth more than soldiers lives.
Fred, Luton, UK
More support for our troops in the comments please. What would happen if we were to leave the taleban to their own devices? There would be greater support, training and resources for the terrorists on our shores. This war may be costly for our troops, but they defend our great nation and our people.
Brendan Woodhouse, Nottingham, United Kingdom
Meanwhile who is protecting "Traditional British Values" here at home? Certainly not this government.
Richard, Bridgwater, England
What a load of rubbish. Mr Hutton has lost all sense of proportion. They are not even comparable. Taken yesterday with Gordon Brown's remark that we can act as a "Beacon of Hope" in these hard pressed economic times it just shows the Government has lost the plot!
Keith, Bath, United Kingdom
Joined the Labour Party to stand up to Dictators? I always thought Labour rolled over for their dictators like Castro, Ceausescu, the other darlings of the Eastern bloc, Pol Pot, Kim Il Sung, Mao etc
Labour's double standards are appalling - where's the ethical foreign policy now...?
William Lack, London, UK
How dare you compare this to the war against Hitler. You insult the intelligence of the public and the brave soldiers who are out there. You also insult the memory of every person who never came home.
The war against Hitler was one that had to be fought and was not about oil or money.
Paul Moxon, Birmingham,
Ridiculous. Afghanistan is a quagmire and London's involvement is nothing but a useless act of producing trauma and trouble for Britain...
USA has now recognized the actual war and Hollywood war...9/11 indicates the home grown plot and Britain's support for afghan's mayhem is a futile act.
s h, washington dc, USA
Let's see, collecting copious amounts of information on citizens on databases, collecting DNA of innocent citizens, erecting cameras everywhere to watch citizens, installing chips in cars so that they know where citizens are all the time, invading countries for no good reason. Mmmm, let's think....
Paul, Milton Keynes, UK
I'm sorry, I can't take any more of this. What exactly are British people dying for? Defending the country's values? The values that allow politicians to posture on a world stage? Other countries should be allowed to get on with the business of their own national life without our interference.
Martin Wallace, Auchterarder, Scotland
What UK values...? Greed? Violence? Lawlessness?
Maybe we have more in common than you think John?
Henry Northcroft, London,
I guess he doesn't really want to take the analogy further with talk of a "Fifth Column" eh?
Dirk Bruere, Bedford, England
More "Nazi" allegations? It is embarrassing that government minister can display his ignorance of history in such a manner!
WWII was fought on the issue of national security, NOT values.
Manny Goldstein, London, UK
We have to accept that we no longer have the moral authority and the money and resources to police the world. Also if we do then why on earth is Afghanistan a bigger priority than Zimbabwe? Groups like the Taleban will destroy themselves because even they can't live by their rules, only die by them.
Cate, Barnsley,
Who is Hutton trying to kid ? It's all about rooting the pipelines of gas & oil from the Caspian basin through lawless Afghanistan.
George, Nort-West, UK
We the British people are caught in a pinzer movement, on one side the Taliban and on the other a Police state.
Pick your devil.
J Nowland, Leeds, United Kingdom
Good - at last, the important analogy is being drawn by people in Westminster. Now let's hear them extend it, as they should, to the threat of sharia on our own shores.
Nick, Rotherham, UK
Young Hutton just doesn't understand WWII. That said, the Uk represents 4 peercent of world GDP. on that basis, providing more than 5 percent of the troops to the lost cause of Afgahianistan is punching way above where we should.
William, Guildford, UK
The assessment given by David Davis after his visit to Afghanistan impressed me. Why is it Western governments seem to reward corruption and are then surprised when militants take over?
Ian Burgess, Bristol,
Oh, please, give me a break, Hutton... please don't add insult to injury....
John Taylor, London, UK