David Sharrock, Ireland Correspondent
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Children of Lithuanian immigrants in the Irish Republic feel unsafe and some have been beaten up for being more attractive than their Irish peers, according to a government watchdog from the Baltic state.
Rimante Salasevicuite, the Lithuanian Ombudsman for Children, made the claims after visiting Ireland last week to study the conditions in which an estimated 120,000 of her countrymen and women live.
She will report to the Lithuanian parliament next week. In a newspaper interview she painted a portrait of life in Ireland starkly at odds with its image as the “Land of a Hundred Thousand Welcomes”.
“In one Irish town Lithuanian children are beaten only because they are more beautiful than Irish ones,” Ms Salasevicuite told Lietuvos Rytas.
She also said that Lithuanian children felt unsafe, were discriminated against and were “prohibited from speaking to each other in their own language, even between siblings”.
Ms Salasevicuite said that after meetings with teachers and active members of the Irish Lithuanian community she had concluded that Lithuanian children were not considered the equals of Irish children. Parents were afraid to register complaints.
Lithuanians are the second-largest migrant group in the Republic, behind Poles, and work mainly in the labouring, agricultural and hostelry sectors. There are 24,600 living in Ireland, according to official figures, although the real figure is likely to be more than 120,000.
Ireland has experienced a steep rise in immigration over the past decade in an astonishing turnaround for a country that was a net exporter of people for 150 years.
Foreigners now account for approximately 10 per cent of the population, but there have been few incidents of racially motivated violence. Some political commentators nevertheless remarked upon the absence of “the elephant in the living room” as an issue in last month’s general election.
As Catholics, Lithuanians and Poles have been credited with reviving the fortunes of many congregations in a nation that has traditionally been Mass-observant but where in recent years, because of a series of sex-abuse scandals, the Church has lost its moral leadership role.
The Department of Foreign Affairs, the Irish Foreign Ministry, said yesterday that its Ambassador to Lithuania, Donal Denham, had met Ms Salasevicuite and asked her where she gathered her information.
Ms Salasevicuite admitted that the Irish Ambassador disputed her portrait of conditions during frank exchanges but that she stood by her remarks. She said that Lithuanian children were not subject to discrimination in all Irish schools. “We know of very good examples in the little towns,” she said.
Ms Salasevicuite said of her talks with the ambassador: “We agreed that this situation was not known until now, because the Lithuanian parents never talked about it. Parents are afraid of creating further problems at their work, at schools were children are being taught.” She also said that the official figures did not show the reality of the size of the Lithuanian population. She estimated there were up to 30,000 Lithuanian children in Irish schools.
Aruna Teiserskis, director of the Lithuanian Association in Ireland, who met Ms Salasevicuite, said: “Her comments have probably been a little overhyped, but we have had parents giving us examples of what I would consider racist attitudes.
“Children have been prevented from speaking Lithuanian. We don’t want our children to lose their language. And violence does happen in some areas, usually after school. We like to dress well and perhaps that annoys some Irish, who expect immigrants to look poor.”
Mr Teiserskis, a researcher at Trinity College Dublin, said that there were many positive experiences, but it was important to highlight the isolated instances to prevent them from becoming commonplace.
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Philip, please think over and over again what you just have said. Your speach is considered as direct racism. Everyone in the UK who have right to reside have the same rights, including yourself.
By the way, You have a deep lack of knowledge about the nations in eastern europe. If You met one or two bad excamples, it doesn't mean that all are the same.
I have seen many UK residents with vulgar habits, but I know planty of decent and educated people too.
Lowering wages? :) Mr Pat, You are angry because of your low self-sufficiency, You must be glad if someone can do that dirty factory work for You. Skilled people (hopefully You are in that category) can get much better jobs and reasonable salary.
By the way, if You guys know anything about economy, if labour increases, workplaces increases too. Did you notice how many new supermarkets were opened recently?
I'll tell You why government let us in. Because of simple reason-investments in Lithuania.We deserve to get something back, dont we?
Ilona, Portadown, Northern Ireland/Lithuania
I have to say something here. My fiance is Lithuanian and she lives with me and her daughter. Both are very considerate to others. My fiance is kind and very caring and makes friends easliy although she gets embarressed that her English is not as good as her daughters. I think what most people are complaining about is the Polish, NOT the Lithuanians. I agree with the statements made as I have encountered this with many Poles. Lithuanians are NOT Poles and should never be classed in the same way. Infact no Lithuanian wants to be though of as Polish. Please try and remember this before you think that everyone you meet from Europe is not as educated as you might think you are. We have a yob culture of our own in the UK. Lithuanians are decnet hard working people it's other European states that we have to worry about.
John, Slough, England
I can't agree that Mr Powell was right, but I think the open door policy toward the new eu member countries citizens really is a big mistake. The mostly young workers coming into the UK and Ireland are not exactly the best ambassadors. Extreme drunkenness, shouting and banging eurotrash music all night and vulgar habits like urinating in public, spitting and nose blowing on the pavements are common complaints one hears about them from neighbours.
Combine things like that with the competition with native workers, with its subsequent lowering of wages so that only by living 15 to a house can you afford to live, and all the other issues, and you have a recipe for racial strife on an unprecedented scale. The only winners right now seem to be the big employers, who have the pick of a labour force who don't need to worry about all the things the average native family does financially, so will work for less than a married local man or woman with kids needs.
Pat, Limerick, Ireland
Its the same all over, they all originate from eastern europe, be it Lithuanian, Polish or whatever, no manners down right rude ( they do not understand please and thank you ) and they think we owe them a living. I wish we could kick them all out. I bet if we all went East we would not get away with doing what they do.
Enoch was right !!!!!! and I am not a racist. YET.
Philip, Newport, Isle of Wight
Maxine's experiences of them are identical to my own, and others I have spoken to who are unfortunate enough to have them next door. Our once peaceful home life has been shattered, our kids cannot sleep, and all requests for some consideration are met with mocking or abuse. So much for integration.
Shane McDonnell, Dublin, Ireland
This woman is not only grossy inaccurate in her statements but is downright racist. I'm sorry to say that my experience of Lithuanians in Ireland is that they a bunch of drunken, inconsiderate louts. I have what can only be described as a doss house next door to me where the noise is dreadful, the parties last for a weekend, the occupants are rude. Cars full of drunks come and go at all hours and an illegal trade in knocked off diesel is conducted from the premisis. In short, they have come over and are taking all they can get and have no consideration for anyone in the community.
Maxine, Limerick, Ireland
I am a lithuanian person and I am living in Dublin since 2000,my child is a pupil in local school and I agree with most of the comments that irish are less racist than some other nations in Europe and generally have better attitude towards foreigners. Thank you.
Part of the problem as I understand lies in recent lithuanian governments drive to stop emigration from Lithuania and that Salaseviciutes report was supposed to scare off potential young parents.
V, Dublin, Ireland
i dont think any child should be beaten just because they are from somewhere different we should set an example to our own children not to be racist im disgusted. i have two children and dont want them to be racist.
k.plunkett, birmingham, uk
Having met thousands of Lithuanians both in Ireland and outside of Ireland I have never heard such a thing. I am currently living in Lithuania for the past 5 years and when I mentioned this revelation to them they laughed. From what I have heard about Rimante here, who made these comments, is she has a habit of blowing things out of proportion in order to appear busy.
How and ever, you decide.
Best Wishes
Cathal, Klaipeda, Lithuania
Astonishing really. Its a long time since I read such direct racism. To state that your children are better looking and better turned out that other children is disgraceful. I know one sad thing about this acticle.. A lot of Lithuanian kids are going to get a hard time in Irish schools from today because of these silly comments in this article.
Oisin, Kilkenny, Ireland
Beating up for being too beautiful ? This is a joke? Irish people have a good reputation, they are very friendly and great. When I lived in Dublin I haven't had a good impression on Eastern european people living in the capital, they were very arrogant and cold. Dublin has changed a lot I guess this problem is the same everywhere else in Western Europe unfortunately.
B.T, Caversham, Berkshire
Why don't Lithuanians try and integrate more? Maybe it's because they're too beautiful!
There are racist yobs in every country. Most Irish people are decent and friendly by international standards.
Cillian, Dublin , Republic of Ireland
Mike in Dubai,
When did an African taxi driver get murdered? Only African man murdered in recent years was by his lovers daughters (known here as the Scissor Sisters) who were drug dependent prostitutes. Tragic yes, but racially motivated, no. Some Lituanians may have been attacked, but so have I and I am write, Irish and Catholic.
This seems like utter rubbish. Ireland is a high crime society, but trust me on this, most Irish people welcome east European immigrants. Even if the African population has experienced some prejudice, claiming that kids are being beaten up for being too beautiful is a manifestation of an inferiority complex.
Tom N, Dublin, Ireland
What a load of cobblers!
This article is a waste of space, better put somewhere in the Daily Sport.
Immigrants have many difficulties in a new country (as the Irish have done), without belittling these problems, with this myth of systematic vanity bashing. Please try harder and report real struggles of immigrants.
"Welcome to Ireland, the land of a 1000 welcomes (except handsome muscled Greek men, ye don't fit in, and Colin Farrell, you can stay away too!) There's red hair and freckles for all!"
Declan, Milan,
History of Racist attacks ? What a load of nonsense please provide any sources links etc. I'm living in Ireland and i've never heard of that murder. Irish scumbags don't discriminate who they attack. But if your of a different nationality you'll get more media coverage.
And as for this hilarious story about lithuanians been beaten up for being too attractive lol it's the funniest thing i've ever heard. Mind you I would like to thank the Lithuanians and Polish for enhancing the gene pool over here ;P
Dave, Galway,
What a load of rubbish! Ms. Salasevicuite's figures for the number of Lithuanian immigrants are obviously plucked out of thin air! If there's really 120,000 Lithuanians in Ireland then they're 3% of the population. No way!
I'm pretty sure that some Lithuanian immigrants must have experienced discrimination or xenophobic abuse, but claims that violence against children is widespread or that they're not allowed to speak their own language are an insult to the Irish people. Perhaps the Lithuanian government is trying to put its people off emigrating to Ireland because they're afraid that the country is losing too many people and that the ethnic Russians will become the majority! Inventing absurd horror stories about conditions in Ireland isn't going to stop people coming to Ireland to make better lives for themselves!
Mark , Cork, Ireland
Beauty is considered capable of ingenering sin in Roman Catholic Ireland there is a understanding between the Priests and Mothers that attractive children (girls) must be prevented from acting out their natural tendencies and leading men into "unlawfull sexual union".
The investigative 1998 BBC film "Sex in a cold climate" declared
"Interlocking interviews of 4 women interred in various Magdalene asylums and/or orphanages because of out-of-wedlock pregancies, being sexually assaulted, or just being "too pretty" (believe it or not). "
The last Magdalene laundry closed in 1997. The Brehan Laws which prepdated the Roman Church gave women autonomy. This is the back lash. As my teacher in the west said, "The road to Tara is via Holy Head" Get out of that malfeance.
Niamh Elliott, Carlisle, Cumbria
There has not been a history of racist attacks since the Irish boom - there has been some racist attacks, all of which are treated very seriously. If you were to document every racist attack in the U.K., France or Germany, for example, there wouldn't be enough space in the paper. There is not right-wing anti-imegrant parties elected in the government or councils in Ireland, unlike many other European countries.
There is not doubt that racism exists in Ireland, which is extremely unfortunate, but it is no worse than anywhere else.
Roger, Greystones, Ireland
A rather nasty comment from "Frits". Weren't you told that it's not nice to speak ill of people? Considering we are talking about prejudice towards people from different nations, your comment is very inappropriate.
Tom, Dublin ,
What a load of cobblers!
This article is a waste of space, better put somewhere in the Daily Sport.
Immigrants have many difficulties in a new country (as the Irish have done), without belittling these problems, with this myth of systematic vanity bashing. Please try harder and report real struggles of immigrants.
"Welcome to Ireland, the land of a 1000 welcomes (except handsome muscled Greek men, ye don't fit in, and Colin Farrell, you can stay away too!) There's red hair and freckles for all!"
Declan, Milan,
What utter twaddle. How can anyone expecting to be taken seriously stand by the ludicrous claim that Lithuanian kids are being beaten up because they are more beautiful than Irish children. Did they survey the aggressors for their motives? Well done David Sharrock for your insightful and cutting-edge journalism.
Eoghan, Dublin, Ireland
I do recollect seeing an article stating that the murder rate between young Lithuanian nationals resident in Ireland is extra-ordinarily high compare to equivalent age group back in their native land. However wrongly deserved, they have unfortunately earned themselves a stereotypical reputation for settling disputes quite violently and often with knives. This has engendered sense a wariness or a fear of them by the local people here.
Mark, Dublin,
What a terrible place Lithuania must be if they think Ireland's better.
eric campbell, harrogate, uk
Where ever different cultures mix there are often racial incidents but to say that "Lithuanian children are beaten only because they are more beautiful than Irish ones, Ms Salasevicuite might need to spend more time and thought on the matter.
Natali, Paris, France
I wonder if you would print the Frits comment if it was regarding a coloured person? Anyway as someone living here with lots of Eastern euro neighbours I have not seen any abuse racial or otherwise aimed at them. There may not be much interaction outside of the workplace but there is no open hostility I have seen. There are idiots in all places who will attack anyone who differs from them but they are as likely to pick on fellow Irish as a foreigner. As for the beauty/jealousy question I think it laughable and a world first as far as I know.
Aodh, Dublin, Ireland
The source of this story is a national figure, Ombudsperson. The duty of such a person is to produce evidence for claims made. Balance in attitude and resultant comment should be her first thought.
There is more racial discrimination in her relating her "story" than in the unsubstantiated story itself.
She should resign forthwith if she has any principle left.
She should be dismissed in default.
Richard J. Cahill, Ballymote, Co. Sligo, Ireland
Mike, I'm delighted you have such an detailed view of Ireland all the way from the UAE, I've never seen any racism towards any of the new EU citizens now living in Ireland, in fact I think it's astonishing there isn't more hostility etc towards them. We've had a massive influx of Eastern Europeans to our country equivalent to about 10% of our population, the fact that there aren't huge problems with that level of mass migration just shows how welcoming Ireland is. That level of migration in 3 short years is pretty much unheard of.
Dave, Cork,
Let's face it given the attractiveness of the average Irish person - there was always bound to be jealousy.
Frits, Frankfurt, Germany
RUBBISH!
As a fellow irishman I have seen first hand the welcome Poles and Lithuanians have receoved since coming to Ireland. These people have intigrated well into the community as they are hardworking people. There have been few problems with the influx from the Baltic states, the Lithuanians and Latvians being the aggressor. Stories of Lithuanins and Latvian gangs and mafias bringing their territorial fueds to Ireland are not uncommon. Of course I cannot deny that perhaps there may have been isolated incidents of racial ill feelings I think the good out weighs the bad
tom, ldn, uk
There has been a history of racist attacks since the Irish boom attracted many immigrants with murder of an African taxi driver & glassing of a German girl a few years ago. Normally the Irish claim prejudice but the shoe's on the other foot.
Mike, Dubai, UAE
please tell me what's new, every migrant child in any country has been picked upon and bullied for being different and it doesn't matter whether they are pretty or not.
when are we going to stop the funding of reports of things we already know or should be able to guess at and start funding projects to do something about it.
as for the irish they should know better not only did they discriminate on the basis of your religion they were discriminated against for being irish anywhere they went
mark carter, perth, Australia
Pity. I always had a platinum image of the Irish before my eyes,
Well, maybe they are a bit scruffy. Then again, Hollywood films, not
to Mention Tom Sawyer, are full of stories about little hoodlums
beating up on momma's little boys. Alfalfa send his regards. The solution is getting these Little Lord Founltelroy's to take up Boxing or
Karate and then dress or look any way they want.
Eugene, Heidelberg, germany
As much as I love Lithuanians and Poles, it's time to encourage people to learn the language of the land, English. If you live in another country, learn the language. Multiculturalism is out of control.
manchester, dan,
thats a load of rubbish
caroline king, melbourne, australia
My wife and myself live in Ireland for 4 years. We have 2 children, 7 and 10 and going to school here. I have had very strong welcome from people in Dublin city and my wife also. Children love school. There will always be differences with people but i is important to hear happy stories too.
Fintus Janos, Dublin, Ireland