Philip Webster, Political Editor
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Prospects of a deal on the future of Europe at Tony Blair’s final summit are threatened by fears that a rash of demands for opt-outs from EU laws will turn the negotiations into a farce.
Allies of Gordon Brown are privately insisting that Mr Blair’s desire for an agreement as he heads out of office must not stand in the way of Britain blocking the whole proposed treaty if it has objectionable elements.
The Prime Minister, supported strongly by the Chancellor, is pressing for Britain to have legally binding exclusions from any plans to end the veto on issues affecting justice and home affairs and the social security treatment of migrant workers.
They also oppose the proposals of Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor, to bring back the charter of fundamental rights that was included in the proposed constitution that was rejected by referendums in France and the Netherlands.
At the least, Britain is seeking watertight legal assurances that the charter could not apply in Britain and could not be used in cases against this country in the European Court.
Senior ministers say that Britain’s demands will inevitably be matched by other countries asking for opt-outs on areas of the treaty that they find unacceptable; and there are signs that others intend to take a hard line at the European Council gathering in Brussels on June 21 and 22 for their own domestic reasons.
Insiders close to the negotiations say that they have been perplexed, for example, by demands from Poland that the EU must be explicitly defined as a “Christian entity”, a move that could be used to block Turkey’s eventual accession.
Insiders say that the Dutch are more worried than Britain about the EU signing up to anything that might require a referendum. “Their bar for a referendum is even lower than ours, and they fear they would lose it again, so that would help nobody,” the source said.
President Sarkozy of France has made plain to Mr Blair that he will back an opt-out for Britain if the EU decides to end the veto on justice and home affairs issues. But he is keen to end that veto because of French reverses in the European Court at the hands of what he sees as excessively liberal legal opinions.
At their meeting at the G8 Mr Blair and Mr Sarkozy agreed that it should be an “amending treaty” that would not require referendums. But that will not be the view of the Conservatives or Labour Euro-sceptics if there is any transfer of power to the EU.
Mr Blair is fighting against a new plan for the system of qualified majority voting (QMV) to be adopted for matters relating to the social security treatment of migrant workers. Backed by Mr Brown, he is proposing that Britain should be able to play a “joker card” so that whenever it objected to a matter being handled under QMV it could demand that it go before the full European Council heads of government, where the usual unanimity rule would apply. Britain would therefore keep its veto by other means.
The Times has been told that Mr Brown is keeping a close interest in the negotiations and has not disagreed with the way Mr Blair is handling them. He is nervous, however, of showing his detailed hand, to prevent negotiators using claims that he will be tougher than Mr Blair as a factor in coming to a deal. An ally of Mr Brown said that, whatever came out of the summit, Mr Brown would have to take it forward. “We cannot have a deal at any price just because Tony is going. We can only allow through now what will be defensible down the line.”
Division points
— Charter of Fundamental Rights
— Veto on home affairs
— Social security and migrant workers
— No big changes without referendum
— Britain wants “amending treaty” only
— Blair “must not give too much”
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I agree with Lynda about the unnecessary cost of translations for foreigners. I am a foreigner myself and I think that the extent to which British services want to be of help when it comes to providing interpreters makes people lazy and does not give them any incentive to actually learn the language of the country they chose to live and work in. I think in this case, more than in any other, the rule of "When in Rome..." should apply. I know people who came here with no English at all. They are very competent in it now. If someone spends here a couple of years and still does not learn a thing, it is a sign of total ignorance and laziness.
Aleksandra, Hastings, England
So Blair wants to tie the UK into the EU Constitution (which he is now calling a treaty) without a referendum as promised before France & Holland kicked it out. This treaty will, amongst other things, end our veto over laws passed by the EU, create a President a foreign , defence and finance minister, in effect making one state of Europe. Why is he doing it. Could it be Blair knows if it went to a referendum it would be kicked out thus ruining his desire to be the EU President. What sort of democracy have we got. He canât be allowed to get away with this. If parliament canât or will not stop him, thereâs only one course left. The Queen must intervene. If she hasnât got the powers to act as a âlong-stopâ over our country being given away, then what is the point of her existence. She must veto Blair. I canât see French & Dutch people allowing their governments to go along with this âtreatyâ & by-pass their vote. British people must make a stand & stop Blair selling us down the river.
Lynda Plum, London, england
So Blair wants to tie the UK into the EU Constitution (which he is now calling a treaty) without a referendum as promised before France & Holland kicked it out. This treaty will, amongst other things, end our veto over laws passed by the EU, create a President a foreign , defence and finance minister, in effect making one state of Europe. Why is he doing it. Could it be Blair knows if it went to a referendum it would be kicked out thus ruining his desire to be the EU President. What sort of democracy have we got. He cant be allowed to get away with this. If parliament cant or will not stop him, theres only one course left. The Queen must intervene. If she hasnt got the powers to act as a long-stop over our country being given away, then what is the point of her existence. She must veto Blair. I cant see French & Dutch people allowing their governments to go along with this treaty & by-pass their vote. British people must make a stand & stop Blair selling us down the river.
Lynda Plum, London, england
High time we kicked Perfidious Albion out of the picture. Few in the UK have ever bothered to think about or understand what it means to be part of a united Europe - we don't need you, and we certainly don't want you laying down the law about what you will and will not accept. Britain should should scuttle off and cling to the skirts of its friends across the Atlantic - you'll discover soon enough what the phrase 'fair-weather friend' means. It's really rather amusing that one of the last acts of your departing Blair should be to try to help Sarkozy drive through his own agenda - Sarko has of course spotted that Blair is a vainglorious self-important fantasist, thus the ideal tool for manipulation by a much smarter politician.
Groucheaux, toulouse, france
Europe is, always has been and always will be, more trouble than it is worth. It would never cease to try to change our way of life. Leave these corrupt little nobodies to slide into ruin on their own. Not to leave the EU now would ruin our prospects of prosperity. EU policies and outlook is simply too old-fashioned, burocratic and parochial to cope with the emerging world. The english-speaking world and the asian tiger econonies should be our focus.
john ross, Eastbourne, Sussex
I couldn't agree more with Paul C from Gloucester....:)
Good luck.
Pascal-Pierre, Dinan/france, European Union
Time to get out? I couldn't agree more.....Was just wondering why it took so long to find out Britain didn't fit in the EU?
Pascal-Pierre, Dinan/france, European Union
How ironical. For years & years people have been complaining or passing opinion that it's wrong & too expensive to appease the pc brigade & provide state funding of interpreters services, which are costing the taxpayer a fortune & diverting monies from other more important & worthwhile causes that the vast majority of British taxpayers expect & deserve. The response from the pc brigade & Government has been to label such remarks as racist rants. Now, suddenly, it's not racist, but common & economic sense to say these things. Finally, the Government has got the message. If these foreigners want translations they should pay for it themselves. It's getting so bad now, that shops are opening with signs & writing on windows that the native British just can't understand as it in a foreign language. If these signs are to be displayed they should be in English with the foreign translation in much smaller letters underneath for tourists' benefit, not for the benefit of the foreigner living here
Lynda Plum, London, england
Well,well, well,....Britain is struggling with its " EU (non)membership"...again. Why does Britain not withdraw from the current EU? Things would be easier for everyone. Since its membership back in the 1970's, London's only thrive was to jeopardize the EU from the inside, preventing any deeper political integration. Britain is certainly on cloud nine since the Dutch and French voted NO in 2005, preventing Britain from a humiliating NO result in their own referendum. Britain is a non member because it doesn't take part in any of the most federal policies such as the euro or schengen. It clinches on its veto right, not only to prevent others from moving ahead but only merely to harm its peers. Obviously Britain's vision of the EU is only that of a Free-trade zone.....it's high time for Britain to make a decision. What if the EU agrees on a new treaty? You are already half out of the EU....:)) You are only a step away from the exit, so.....move ahead...and leave the EU...
Pascal-Pierre, Dinan/france, European Union
So Blair wants to tie the UK into the EU Constitution (which he is now calling a treaty) without a referendum as promised before France & Holland kicked it out. This treaty will, amongst other things, end our veto over laws passed by the EU, create a President a foreign , defence and finance minister, in effect making one state of Europe. Why is he doing it. Could it be Blair knows if it went to a referendum it would be kicked out thus ruining his desire to be the EU President. What sort of democracy have we got. He cant be allowed to get away with this. If parliament cant or will not stop him, theres only one course left. The Queen must intervene. If she hasnt got the powers to act as a long-stop over our country being given away, then what is the point of her existence. She must veto Blair. I cant see French & Dutch people allowing their governments to go along with this treaty & by-pass their vote. British people must make a stand & stop Blair selling us down the river.
Lynda Plum, London, england
Mankind does not deserve Europe, the UN, ...! Thanks to the new era of "animalism", anything human beings try to build as a community should be destroyed and we should return to the age of primates where individuals fight for their own survival without any regard for the community they live in! Europe was built after the horrors of the 2nd world war! Humanity has forgotten how evil mankind can be and will pay a high price for it! Let's be done with it! With our WMDs, we can rid the earth of that plague (humankind)! Just a 45 minutes claim needed to get the process started! Easy peasy! Much faster than slowly cooking under global warming among opt outs!
Antoine, London,
Is there no end to this lunacy? If the promised referendum on any new European Treaty is not held, then the people it is most likely to affect (i.e. the ordinary UK citizen) will be denied their democratic right to voice approval/disapproval. Yet again, we are being sold down the river by Blair/Brown.
Ian Gregory, Accrington, UK
Isn't it about time that we had a referendum in the UK on whether we actually wish to be part of the EU and, if so, to what extent? I believe that it was still an economic community when we were last given the chance to have our say, and was very different from the political union that it has since become.
Richard, Manchester,
If you're serious then UKIP is the way to go...
Daine, Melbourne, FL, US
time to get out of Europe... but will any party actually dare to propose this radical action? I, for one, would be first to vote for a party that would commit irrevocably to getting out of Europe.
paulc, gloucester,
Once again, EU leaders are showing their complete disregard for the democratic process. The EU is fast assuming the mantle of an empire where bureaucracy replaces democracy as its modus operandi. This could be Gordon Brown's nemesis before he even assumes office! If there is to be an EU president s(he) must be voted into power by all the peoples of the EU not its national leaders who, in many cases, do not even represent the majority views of their own electorate. The most important issue for the EU leades to tackle on 21/22 June is the issue of the EU's borders. In that respect, president Sarkozy is correct. As for the latter's idea of a mini-treaty, Gordon Brown should leave it there, ie merely as an idea. If he doesn't, all the Opposition parties in the House of Commons will rightly smell blood and call for either a referendum or an immediate general election. Either way GB will lose power before the end of his first 100 days in office.
Dr David Green, Athens, Greece
I suggest that the Prime Minister should opt out of any agreement that suggests an EU Prme Minister should be extradited for 'crimes against humanity'. At least a 'prima-facie' case should be made in an English court (but not perhaps a Scottish one) before any extradition takes place, although the special dispensation for extraditions to the USA might still be allowed. Or am I beginning to lose track of international law?
Brian Lewis, Manila, Philippines
Brown should represent the U.K. at the meeting not Blair.No changes should be agreed without a referendum.
COLIN , Hong Kong,
So the treaty that contained all these was rejected but comes back
we currently have a veto on EU law
but we are now horsetrading to stop having the treaty "forced" on us
why bother looking for opt out, the EU has shown it will ignor eANY refereendum anyway and carry on
we must leave
barry, lon, uk
Time to leave. Europe causes us only harm and as long as it carries on there will continue to be efforts to undermine our democracy and replace it with an autocratic government from an alien base.
Let us use our Opt out to reclaim our fish.... or at least the now empty waters where hopefully stocks can be replenished.
PJW Holland, London, UK