Richard Owen in Rome
Download 'Too Hot', an exclusive Specials track from iTunes
The Pope spoke yesterday of the need for “true” conversions to Catholicism a day after rebuking Tony Blair over the war in Iraq and legislation passed during his years in power on abortion, gay adoption, same-sex marriage and stem-cell research.
The Vatican said that there had been a “frank exchange” on “delicate subjects” during Saturday’s meeting between Benedict XVI and Mr Blair, who is thought to be close to converting to Catholicism. Vatican sources said that the formula used was “the nearest the Vatican comes to referring to a row without using the word”.
Yesterday, as he addressed English-speaking pilgrims in St Peter’s Square, the Pope said: “Today, as the Church celebrates the birth of St John the Baptist, let us ask for the gift of true conversion and growth in holiness, so that our lives will prepare a way for the Lord and hasten the coming of His Kingdom.”
This could be read as a papal reminder of the need for those considering conversion — even a world figure like Mr Blair — to do so away from publicity.
The Pope wished Mr Blair well on his plans to work for Middle East peace and inter-faith dialogue. The two met privately for 25 minutes and then — in an unusual gesture — were joined by Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor, the Archbishop of Westminster and head of the Catholic Church in England and Wales.
The Papal statement also referred to the Pope’s disappointment over Mr Blair’s failure to back the Vatican’s campaign to have a reference to Europe’s Christian roots and values inserted into the EU constitution.
Win a luxury weekend to Newcastle and its neighbour Gateshead, find out more here
Risk, resilience and embracing new technology
Industry sectors news at a glance. Interactive heatmap, video and podcast
Discover the power of collective thinking. Submit a solution and be in with a chance to win a Media Hub Home Entertainment System
The inside track on current trends in the charity, not for profit and social enterprise sectors
Everything the Business Traveller needs to know to make a better trip
Make the most of the summer and enter our fabulous photographic competition, you could win a £5000 holiday
Corsica is an island of beauty and contrast, an ideal holiday destination
Enjoy further reading from Travel to Fashion, Business to Sport, discover more
Shortcuts to help you find sections and articles
The clever way to lease a new car is with Car leasing made simple™
2009
per month on 36-month
Personal Contract Hire (PCH)
2008
42850
Car Insurance
£24,250 - £30,346
MI5
London
£60,000
The Environment Agency
Bristol
Up to £90K
Boots
Midlands
OTE £85k
Credit Protection Association
Nationwide Opportunities
Completely London
Luxury Condo's in Manhattan with NYC views
The best new homes in Wimbledon?
Nationwide
Fabulous Cruise And Cruise & Stay Offers Including Virgin Atlantic Flights Prices Start From Only £699pp!
Last Minute Cruise And Cruise & Stay Offers. Med From £499pp, Caribbean From £699pp!
5 star quality at a 3 star price.
8 fabulous Canadian cities ...you won’t find cheaper
Contact our advertising team for advertising and sponsorship in Times Online, The Times and The Sunday Times, or place your advertisement.
Times Online Services: Dating | Jobs | Property Search | Used Cars | Holidays | Births, Marriages, Deaths | Subscriptions | E-paper
News International associated websites: Globrix Property Search | Property Finder | Milkround
Copyright 2009 Times Newspapers Ltd.
This service is provided on Times Newspapers' standard Terms and Conditions. Please read our Privacy Policy.To inquire about a licence to reproduce material from Times Online, The Times or The Sunday Times, click here.This website is published by a member of the News International Group. News International Limited, 1 Virginia St, London E98 1XY, is the holding company for the News International group and is registered in England No 81701. VAT number GB 243 8054 69.
If the Pope had said to Tony Blair: "Listen sunshine, forgiveness is all very well as a concept, but in your case we are talking unrepentant war criminal with a rap sheet as long as my arm. So no way will you be accepted into the Catholic Church while I'm Pope or until Hell freezes over. Whichever is the longer. Now sling your 'ook. It sickens me just to look at you." Or words to that effect.
On hearing that Blair has become Catholic, how many will think, "No Popery here. Putting up with Blair in this life was punishment enough.â Or on hearing that Blair was rejected in his bid to convert, would think, "Well, perhaps Catholicism warrants a second look. Was I a little too hasty? Any Church that rejects Blair canât be all bad."
Andrew Milner, Karuizawa, Nagano
Since that negative comment about Islam, Pope Benedict XVI has gained so much respect in the Islamic world it's unbelievable. (The best example was his silent prayer alongside senior Muslims in the Turkish blue mosque).
He is a probably one of the best popes.
Blair/Bush will never be respected.
Abdul Ali, Tehran, Iran
Mr Owen, really ! When a catholic priest talks about "the need for true conversion" he's really not alluding to those in his audience who might belong to another religion. All the less so, as the context of such remarks is usually a Sunday Mass homily. Or rather, quite a few Sunday Mass homilies along the year, in every catholic church in the world. The "need for true conversion" theme is a reminder that Hell is presumably lousy with Catholics who thought being Catholic was all it took to make the other place. Not the thinnest chance that Pope was hinting at Blair's personal situation.
T. Rosi, Modena, ITALY
At some point we all have to ask what effect our thoughts words and deeds have on our relationship with God and neighbour. Life is short and work must be done to set these things to right. I hope TB considers these things soon and that he does have a true conversion. It is very difficult to live so intensely in the world's affairs and, at the same time, be conscious of what we creatures truely are. This makes it even more difficult for him.
My prayers will be with him.
P.S Victor, I'm sure the Pope firmly told him what he needed to hear and I'm equally sure it did not entail what you hoped.
David, Surrey, England
I am planning on converting to CATHOLICISM - if Blair is converted by the Pope I will not pursue conversion as a private protest of my own.
My wife met the Pope in the 1980's.
Ian Payne, LICHFIELD, STAFFS
Numerous people have reminded Blair of the folly of was in Iraq and afghanistan.. However, he, like Bush is in denial. Only history will show the misery they have caused. What's worse is that our so called free press has never really taken the issue to heart.
Hamad lone, Thornton Heath, England
I hope Mr Blair told the Pope that the slowness of the Catholic Church in tackling child abuse amongst its priests has greatly sapped its moral authority
Chris, Birmingham,
unless the "frank conversation" was an outright condemnation (perhaps the Pope should explain what Catholicism has in store for mass murderers such as Blair) whats the point ?
Perhaps Blair is having nightmares for his legacy of mass murder and is looking for redemption.
I hope the Pope was honest enough to tell him that he's buggered !
Victor Nadine, Manchester, England
It's surprising that the Pope, being a smart, generous and compassionate man, did not call in his team of
exorcists!
But, then again, who knows? Maybe he did!
Garth Strong, Sherman Oaks, USA