David Sharrock, Ireland Correspondent
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Ireland is a coarse place with a sad history where the natives are obsessed by money. That, at least, is the view of the German Ambassador to Dublin.
Christian Pauls earned a rare official rebuke from the Irish Government after he aired his unflattering opinions before a group of 80 German industrialists, many of whom were potential investors in the Celtic Tiger economy.
Mr Pauls poured scorn on Ireland’s recent affluence and its Government, telling his audience at Clontarf Castle in Dublin that “junior ministers earn more than the German Chancellor” and that “20 per cent of the population are public servants” – neither of which is true.
He described the country’s health service as chaotic with hospital waiting lists which would not be tolerated elsewhere.
And he revealed his amazement that Irish doctors who were offered annual salaries of €200,000 (£138,000) to work in the public sector turned their noses up at what they called “Mickey Mouse money”.
His comments, made in German and translated into English for the small gathering of Irish present, produced guffaws from the Ambassador’s countrymen but infuriated Gay Mitchell, a European Parliament member for Dublin.
He was so alarmed by Mr Pauls’ remarks that at one point he interjected: “Mr Ambassador, I am the next speaker!” as a warning to him to moderate his comments.
But Mr Pauls ploughed on regardless, describing Irish history as “even sadder than Poland” and relating an amusing anecdote – one that he clearly regarded as a telling observation on contemporary Ireland.
He said that he was at the National Concert Hall when an announcer appealed for the owner of a 1993-registered car to move the vehicle because it was blocking an entrance.
“Of course no one moved,” said Mr Pauls. “All the Irish are driving 2006 and 2007 cars. For all I know the car is still there.” He also said that tourists from the United States had stopped visiting Ireland because they were sick of the incessant traffic jams.
Dermot Gallagher, the Secretary-General of the Department of Foreign Affairs, Ireland’s Foreign Ministry, was ordered by Dermot Ahern, the Foreign Minister to issue a formal protest.
Government sources said that Mr Gallagher had a frosty conversation with Mr Pauls late last week in which it was made clear that his comments were “inaccurate, misinformed and inappropriate at a public forum”.
The event was to host members of the German Federation of Buying and Marketing Groups, representing more than 300 groups looking for business opportunities in Ireland.
Mr Mitchell said that the Ambassador’s performance had been appalling. “In my view he did a number on Ireland and the Irish.”
Responding to Mr Pauls’ comments at the event he told him tartly that his view of Ireland might have been different if he had been in the country during the years when it was having to manage poverty rather than its current wealth and success.
Reinod Herber, a spokesman for the German Embassy, said: “Maybe he misjudged the humour. I don’t think he tried to insult the Irish people. My Ambassador is a humorous man and maybe that humour was misunderstood.”
The diplomatic spat comes as Bertie Ahern, the Taoiseach, faces more questions over his own finances during the 1990s when he served as Finance Minister.
Mr Ahern is to give evidence again this week in a long-running corruption tribunal amid signs that public opinion is turning against him over his explanations over how and why he received about £200,000 from wealthy friends in loans and gifts.
On Friday Mr Ahern described a whip-round of £8,000 at a dinner in Manchester as “not a big deal” and said he would have preferred a season ticket to Old Trafford.
As he left the tribunal at Dublin Castle on Friday afternoon he was booed by members of the public, a grim reminder for Mr Ahern of the fate of his predecessor, Charles Haughey, whose reputation was destroyed by the work of another tribunal when it uncovered the extent to which he had used his public office to enrich himself. Weekend media comment dubbed Mr Ahern as “Haughey-Lite”, with one newspaper editorial describing the “grotesquely complicated, unbelievably secretive, bizarrely contradictory and unprecedentedly cash-centred nature of Bertie Ahern’s financial affairs”.

Diplomatic gaffes
— Brazil’s Chief Justice, Celso de Mello, turned down an invitation to dine with President Clinton after a US Embassy document dismissed the Brazilian judicial system as “inefficient” and referred to “endemic corruption” in its culture. US attempts to smooth over the “misunderstanding” were ruined a week later when a White House memo described Brasilia as “a dry and sterile city, just as soulless as its administration”.
— Dan Quayle, the former US Vice-President, was heard to say on a trip to Latin America: “I wish I had taken Latin at school.”
— There was embarrassment and defiance in 2004 after a Sydney airport security officer frisked Helen Clark, the New Zealand Prime Minister, even after being told who she was. The Australian Tourism Minister said it was an embarrassing error; the Transport Minister said: “It doesn't matter who you are . . . If your number comes up, you are screened."
Sources: diplomacy.edu, Times archives
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The Ambassador's observations are quite accurate.I an Irish but visit from Canada frequently and the contrast between the level of civility between Canada and Ireland is startling.
The level of public rowdyism vandalism and public drunkeness in Ireland must surely be among the highest in the world.
One is constantly assaulted with a barrage of foul language from adults and children of all ages.This seems to have been "normalised" by the public media especially radio and television .
Manners have declined with an aggressive style of intercourse being favoured as the "smart" way to behave .
Vulgar displays of wealth with ridiculously large houses expensive SUVs and extravagant parties for even the most trivial excuse proclaim a juvenile need to show off the new affluence.
The standard of living may have gone up but I am not sure the quality of life has improved.
J Doran, Toronto,
Having lived in Ireland for thirty years, I have to say that the German Ambassaor was correct in his painfully accurate review of what has become a nation obsessed with new (mostly construction-related) wealth, but not interested in ways to spend it that would improve its services to the public. Easy come, easy go. The truth is rarely welcomed by those at the wrong end of it, and I'm glad that some Irish at least have supported his views.
Gerard
Gerry, Galway, Ireland
As a German happily living in this country for more than 13 years, and having had my own experiences with obviously differently interpreted use of German humour, I feel I have to come to the defence of my fellow countryman and ambassador, as regards his (typically German, and admittedly much more sarcastic â no, letâs say âmockingâ) use of humour.
Well, first of all, he seems to indeed have some sense of humour - and is courageous enough to use it! Great to see that! As, indeed, not all of us Germans can say that of ourselves...
Well, he used his admittedly very German sense of humour in front of a German audience. I can assure you, that we Germans would pick up any hints of humorous âmockismâ, which in itself is an instrument used to tempt those usually more reserved businessmen out of their âhumour-related retirementâ. Indeed, we would not put too much value on such remarks, made in a probably slightly cynical tone (and maybe even a twinkle in the eye).
Wolf Delius, Dublin
Wolf Delius, Sallins, Kildare, Ireland
Dearest Mr Bagster,
if you find the irish way of life so appalling, then may I suggest you go find somewhere else to live? Perhaps Germany? Although I would wish neither you nor the ambassador on the country!
Maura, Dubin, Ireland
Sad but true. Where's the sense of humour in Ireland if this causes such an uproar? The country IS too expensive, roads ARE clogged, health system IS in a shambles. Maybe 20% are not in the public service, but a hall of a lot of cash is wated on poiticians who are ignorant and corrupt. If I were a Greman company, why would I come o Ireland? It ain't cheap anymore!
Mike Murphy, Sligo
Mike Murphy, Sligo,
I must agree with some of the other comments. Many Irish would indeed agree with Dr. Pauls about the state of modern Ireland, but they would be 'diplomatic' enough not to say so in the wrong company. It is also true that German humour can be extremely dark and cynical, and that jokes shared between Germans are quite unlikely to make sense to the Irish who read them reproduced in newspapers.
One notable difference between the Germans and the Irish--The Germans are very self critical and don't mind poking fun at themselves, much less others. Irish especially seem to hate when outsiders criticise their lifestyle or culture. Essentially, if you criticise Germans, they might think about what you said before taking offense, whereas the Irish take offense before thinking about what you said. I know these are harsh stereotypes, but they are necessary to get the point across.
As Mr. Hughes said, 'Remember when in Ireland never tell Irish jokes'.
Herr von Rabenstein, Limerick, Ireland
Dan Quayle's alleged quote originated as a joke by Claudine Schneider. He may have said many stupid things, but this wasn't one. Look it up!
GT, Dublin, Ireland
One may wonder how a person who's never been employed in the private sector (unemployable?) [vide: Wikipedia page] can give advice to businessmen. Apparently he sees no irony about talking about the irrelevance of money, on the one hand, and him being a public servant paid for by the taxpayer, on the other. Much like university professors.
"Even sadder than Poland" hmmm... now here is a topic the German ambassador is, no doubt, expertly familiar with.
Cato, los angeles, CA
Much of what he said is true - the whole country is acting like trainee americans embracing wealth or the appearance of wealth with the glee of a 7 year old spending their communion money. All he has said is what many opposition political parties have been saying for years, interesting that a FG politician has reacted the way he has.
scarlet o'hara, dublin, ireland
A few off-the-cuff remarks do not merit this kind of official hysteria. Our government should show a bit of diplomatic common sense.
Billy O'Shea, Copenhagen, Denmark
Very, very embarrassing. I really hope that this incident will have consequences for the ambassador.
Thorbal, Hannover, Germany
How many of those 06 & O7 cars come from Germany?
Donal, Salford, UK
Surely "German Diplomacy" is as much of an oxymoron as "German Humour". Laughable!
Eamon O'Farrell, Coventry, UK
"He described the countryâs health service as chaotic with hospital waiting lists which would not be tolerated elsewhere. "
True - and the Irish don't tolerate them either, yet for some reason the current health minister was voted in again in this year's election, despite her terrible record
"He also said that tourists from the United States had stopped visiting Ireland because they were sick of the incessant traffic jams. "
That would not surprise me at all.
Helen, Paris,
I am an Irishman but I also appreciate the German sense of humour. The German ambassador never intended to insult Ireland. The German sense of humour has quite a dark side, second only to the Danish sense of humour, and is never intended to be taken literally.
Unfortunately is has...
Remember when in Ireland never tell Irish jokes
shane hughes, longford, Ireland
its all true
keith, dublin, ireland
Readers may miss the allusion to Charles Haughey's description of an occasion in 1982 when a double-murderer was arrested at the home of his Attorney-General: "It was a bizarre happening, an unprecedented situation, a grotesque situation, an almost unbelievable mischance".
Arthur494, Guildford, Surrey
Irelan does have the worst health service in Europe.I would go so far to say that some third world countries have a better health service.
Everything else he has sad comes from his Germannes.
ISIRGAN, READING, uk
Every person has the right to voice their opinion. I believe that 95% of what the German Embassador said is true. If I stood up and said it Mr Gay Mitchell knows he could not censor me and get away with it but he thinks he can attack a diplomat. Mr. Mitchell - visit your local pub and find out what popular opinion thinks. I recommend the same to Germans who think ill of their Embassador. Come and listen to your "Irish friends". Our health system is in a shambles; our roads are clogged up; our history is sad; the church did try to dominate our lives; wage demands are high (especially those of politicians). The Irish people don't want it that way and I believe the majority would applaud Mr Pauls for lending us support.
B Lennon, Dublin, Ireland
Dr. Pauls was more or less correct about the culture of modern Ireland. 'Insult our Irish friends'--what a laugh! I bet if you offered the Irish enough cash, they would laugh too. If you haven't lived in Ireland, you just won't understand.
Herr von Rabenstein, Limerick, Ireland
I bet he is working for free!!
Angel Marin, Zaragoza, Spain
As a german I am ashamed that this pratt of a german ambassador should insult our irish friends.
Mrs. Merkel, our Chancellor, should sack him immediately.
W. Rauch, Bad Muender, Germany
One is reminded of Thomas Mann's immortal line: A German joke is no laughing matter.
Bernard Hassan, Albuquerque, New Mexico USA
Unfortunately the brilliant comment about Latin America is just E Pluribus Unum coming from Vice President Quayle.
Joe Murphy, Prairie View, IL, USA
What a babbler...
One would think that the diplomatic corps would be trained in, well, diplomacy, and knew not to crack dumb jokes at the expense of the host nation. After all, what're they being paid for?
From what I know, most of us have an unequivocally positive image of Ireland and the Irish.
Matt, Wuerzburg, Germany
I hope Mr Bagster reads this. Some of the comments were simply untrue, others had an element of truth in them and perhaps one or two were true. But it was irresponsible of an Embassador actually welcoming business people to Ireland to exaggerate. Another german recently was offensive, Cardinal Meisner, but Germany is a large country and it would be simplistic to attempt to stereotype.That would be being coarse.
Mr Bagster, might you also be resentive of our recent success and at the same time be gleefull of our current problems? Irish receptiveness lives on, Mr Bagster, and I don't believe an irish Embassador would ever behave in such a manner in any land.
Wayne White, Youghal, Ireland
Herr Pauls speaks only the truth, and as is well known, the truth hurts, which accounts for the response from 'official Ireland'. As any fool with eyes to see knows, the lately-enriched Irish are not only coarse but vulgar to boot; and whereas they may have been poor in the past, now they merely cheap - and show it.
William Bagster, DUBLIN, Ireland