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Yesterday’s smiles and handshakes masked fears among European leaders that voters could yet scupper their grand project.
Two years ago, after a similarly lavish signing ceremony, referendums in France and the Netherlands halted the treaty’s predecessor, the EU constitution. Now all eyes are turning to Ireland, which is staging the only referendum on the Treaty of Lisbon. Supporters are growing increasingly nervous that opponents will converge on Ireland to halt the whole treaty.
An opposition campaign was launched in Ireland yesterday by the Libertas Institute think-tank, founded by Declan Ganley, a millionaire businessman. “The Irish people have a duty to look very carefully at this treaty because we are the only member state to have a referendum,” he said.
More than 60 per cent are undecided about how to vote, according to a poll for The Irish Times. José Manuel Barroso, the European Commission President, urged Irish voters to bear in mind the resources pumped into their country by the EU since it joined in 1973. “I believe Ireland has been a country that has benefited a lot from the European Union, but has also given a lot to Europe,” he said.
Bertie Ahern, the Irish Prime Minister, said recently that he and treaty supporters “cannot take anything for granted”.
Nine referendums were held or planned for the EU constitution two years ago. Gordon Brown has promised a lengthy period of parliamentary scrutiny during the spring, but no public vote. Derek Scott, chairman of the I Want a Referendum campaign in Britain, said: “Holding a referendum is an opportunity for Gordon Brown to show whether he is really serious about restoring trust in politics, and to answer the critics who say he lacks courage and decisiveness.”
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I am part of We Are Change Ireland and we will be vigorously opposing this treaty for all the people being denied a vote. They wanted it to be unreadable and it is, so it will be a tough job trying to educate the public. They have absolutely no regard for national sovereignty or democracy and we are being sucked into a soviet style superstate with the end of Habeus Corpus, trial by jury and Double Jeopardy. We will be eu citizens for the first time and our national governments will be nothing more than a front to hide the real power.
We are not asking for a NO vote though because the wording may be reversed to confuse people (they've done this before) so we are asking people to vote against it.
Dave, Dublin, Ireland
The EU leaders have become arrogant dictators determined not to let people have their say over becoming part of their superstate that will claim us all as citizens, with its right to remove our rights, and an unaccountable supreme court that can levy unlimited penalties.
No wonder Sarkozy admits that the peoples of Europe would say no if asked. So - IRELAND PLEASE VOTE NO for all of us.
Commentators please note that military action would still be the decision of national governments, so the Treaty would not have any relevance to Iraq. Individual governments could still work together through the UN if they feel that the USA is out of order.
B Mooney, London, UK
Come on Ireland we are all depending on you for a resounding NO, after the two faced Brown refused the British people their say.
Bernie Cowen, Newcastle upon Tyne, UK
Looks like it's up to the Irish people to save European citizens from a catastrophe................I'm well encouraged however..............The Irish fought TOO hard for their Independence to give it away so meekly
Hamish Morrison, Inverness, Scotland
Letâs not be fooled or again be bullied into voting yes. It is quite clear, that the consequences of a yes vote, mean the handover of our sovereignty and democracy to the European Parliament. A yes vote would make our national governments subordinate to the European Parliament. A yes vote would allow the appointment of European leaders that the Irish people have nocontrol in electing.
A yes vote, voids our voice as a nation. If we vote yes, the Irish republic will no longer be allowed to have any referenda on European issues. The European machine will drive on without us, thanks to qualified majority voting. A yes vote will allow the unsupervised generation of laws and regulations to creep in through the Article 48 loophole.
If we vote yes, the Irish people give away the sovereignty of the Irish nation. A democratic right, which the nation has fought for, for hundreds of years!
Donât be duped by new roads, CAP payouts etc. Our freedom, our choice, our voice and our liberty is more important than any other benefit the EU can give us.
Now is the time to be responsible and vote NO, to protect your liberty, your voice, youâre your freedom.
I close with words from Thomas Jefferson: âHe who gives up his liberty and freedom, deserves neither liberty or freedom.â
and
âI would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Andrew Chambers, Cork,
I hope the people of Ireland will understand the responsibility that rests on them. They have the only Constitution that requires the electorate to mandate the Lisbon Treaty/Constitution.
The remaining Governments of the EU are refusing to allow their electorates a vote just in case they say No. Ireland has a democratic responsibility to send a message to those Governments that they have no mandate to change our lives without consulting the electorate of each and every country involoved.
The Americans - for once - are right ..... it should be Government By The People, For the People.
Donna Walker, Effingham, Surrey
I believe that this new EU treaty can only be a force for good. The EU is preparing to send troops to Darfur, and I think that this is just the beginning of what it can do. With global warming and an energy crisis on the horizon, we will have more clout by speaking and bargaining as one large group rather than dealing piecemeal against each other.
I will vote yes! Europe is now the only balance to American militarism, if it wasn't for France and Germany, all of Europe and the world would be now stuck in the quagmire of Iraq, and possibly Iran too!
stephen, Dublin, Ireland
If you agree or disagree with the treaty, please give the aspect of the treaty that you are considering. It is not useful to just argue against the European Union, and encourage a no vote as a result of that. At least read the Wikipedia article!!
Being in the European Union has in no way reduced our identity, or our freedom. However, we are not taking advantage of the power in the world that such a union can yield. Some of the treaty appears to help that by consolidating the foreign affairs posts for the EU, and allowing those to be guided by a majority decision. Next time Israel bomb the Lebanese, would it be nice to be able to stand up to the Americans as a unit?
Gary, Dublin,
Let Europe divide into two - north and south, then we might be a little happier. We could even form a union with Canada. Sounds far-fetched, but for the most part we have a common language, and has anyone thought of it?
Thomas, Westmeath, Ireland
I hope Ireland votes and they vote 'No'. It is about time that the 'European' project was rescued from the professional politicians and bureacrats who seem to regard it as their own - to structure grow and develop as they alone see fit.
The absence of any real democratic mandate is fast turning the European Union into another grotesque state entity having a life separate and distinct from 'the people' - like the 'Soviet' Union this EU will crumble and fall unless this deficiency is remedied.
Perhaps Ireland can kick the first few stones out of this new 'Berlin wall'.
Mark, Berkhamsted,
If the Irish vote against the constitution they will have to hold a succession of votes until they get it right
John Ledbury, Kings Lynn, England
It doesn't really matter if Ireland votes No, because the Irish government will just call a second referendum a week after the first referendum if they don't like the result and make sure that people vote Yes in a second referendum.
The government did exactly this during the 2002 Nice Treaty referendum.
Daniel, Dublin, Republic of Ireland
Kind of Ironic-
The Irish fight for 800 years supposedly for their independence, then comes along a simple choice to vote for it, and it's a cinch they're going to vote it away.
Do you want freedom, or would you prefer to be a slave province of "Europe?"
"Slave province of Europe please"
(If they don't vote for it this time, they will soon enough)
Sadly Irish, Washington, USA/DC
One thing now is utterly clear: the EU project is an ALTERNATIVE GOVERNMENT TO A DEMOCRATIC ONE. Leaders cynically ignore voters wishes, again and again. Where is this to end up, and why are our 'democratic' MPs not appalled?
Ibnez, Dalston, UK
Dear Stephen Felce
I cannot but smile at the final paragraph of your comment
Having fought for 4hundred years to reverse the take over by England I am sure they "like us in Britain" will agree with you.
Andrew G O'Donnell, Sacramento, USA/CA
As a Northern Irishman denied a vote by both Gordon Brown and Costas Karamanlis (Greek PM), I place all my hopes in my fellow-Irishmen in the South to vote this abominable mini-treaty out of existence. The Irish, North and South, have always come to the aid of the mainland Brits & Greeks in their hour of need as can be seen on the headstones in the military cemetries throughout the world, including those here in Greece. Before my Southern brethren changed articles 2 & 3 of their 1937 constitution, I was no admirer of it but now it has supreme relevance in that its statements on civil liberties are in part denied or omitted in the new EU mini-treaty. No Irishman will accept less than the best when it comes to liberty and democracy. The EU bureaucrats - supported by that bureaucrat-in-chief, the Scotsman Gordon Brown - have so far denied the European peoples the right to vote on this quasi-constitution. It is now left to the Southern Irish to commit it to the bin of historical detritus
Dr David Green, Athens, Greece
Nobody has explained the effects of this, once in a lifetime, treaty to the public in simple terms. Accept it without a referendum? No way! What arrogance Gordon Brown is showing - just like his predecessor
Gary, Bracknell, UK
The comments of José Manuel Barroso, the European Commission President to Ireland sounds to me like a clumsy attempt at a bribe. No notice should be taken of it because the Irish are already entitled to these arrangement which were introduced a long time ago to smooth out differences between the economies of member countries so as to facilitate trade.
Ireland has a thriving and justifably proud culture, so my hope is that they will not support the take over from Brussels. Surely, they like us in Britain, also want to run their own country and not be subject to invasions of their sovereignty on matters that are nothing to do with trade?
Stephen Felce, Enfield, UK
Traditionally, the Anglo Saxons have always been a final bulwark for liberty; however, immobilised by apathy, we in Britain have permitted our Leaders to sign this wicked treaty, this openly ackonowledged replacement for the rejected constitution. It would be a grand historical irony if the Irish now come to Britain's rescue (as they did once before, long ago, when they were sending their missionary saints to convert us to Christianity), and strike a blow for national freedom and sovereignty which will echo around the world.
Robert Dewar, High Wycombe, UK
Good for Ireland. I'm actually a supporter of the European Union and the trend towards a stronger federalism within it (of course, that's easy for me, being an American), but ultimately if it is to have any real credibility with Europeans, it needs to be based on a popular mandate. I'm all for this.
Brett, Salt Lake City, UT, USA
Go on Ireland please vote NO ! I used to think Europe was a good thing but now definately I think we in UK are better of out and without being overwhelmed by europeans taking our jobs, houses and services. I shall pray that Ireland votes no.
Kevin, Guildford , UK