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When the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh made their first state visit to Turkey 37 years ago, the local reception was nothing short of ecstatic. Thousands broke through police cordons, swamping the open-top cars of the royal cavalcade with Union Jacks. The schedule was staunchly old school, with trips to the racetrack and a performance of Turkish love songs.
Their second state visit, which began yesterday, promises to be a distinctly more sober affair, as the modern Turkish republic presents old Europe with the grown-up face of a country worthy of EU membership. Ankara hopes the Queen’s visit will give its EU application a discreet and timely boost.
There were no crowds to welcome the royal couple as they arrived in Ankara to begin three days of formal engagements. Instead of being greeted by jubilant crowds, they were whisked from the airport to a wreath-laying ceremony at the shrine of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, founder of modern secular Turkey. The Queen wore a black coat and skirt, enlivened by lime green French-pleat trimming, black gloves and a hat with a bold black feather, as she followed three soldiers slow marching down the cobbled promenade.
Prince Philip joined the dignitaries at her side clutching his panama. It is his first foreign trip since he was forced to pull out of commitments last month while in hospital with a chest infection. However, the Duke, who at 86 is older than the modern state of Turkey itself, appeared relaxed as he strode through the entrance to the mausoleum.
It was perhaps slightly inconvenient that Anit Kabir (the memorial tomb) celebrates the brilliant military commander and statesman who led the Turkish national movement to victory at the same time that the Duke’s father, Prince Andrew of Greece, was serving – incompetently by all accounts – on the losing side.
Turkey has been spoiled recently with visits from the British monarchy. Only six months ago, Prince Charles toured Istanbul, Ankara, Izmir and Koyra, lauding the future of Anglo-Turkish relations. Nick Baird, British Ambassador to Turkey, said: “The reason for the two visits is just a sign of the importance of Turkey to both the EU and the world, and highlights the breadth and depth of its relationship with the UK.”
Yesterday, after a recorded bugle call and salute from the troops, the royal visitors moved on from the tomb of Atatürk, a leader noted for his promotion of western European clothing, to a meeting with President Abdullah Gül, whose controversially head-scarfed wife, Hayrunnisa, is known for her lack of it.
As the smoke from the 21-gun salute drifted across the red carpet, the Queen and Prince Philip were greeted by Mrs Gül, the first presidential wife to wear the Islamic dress. The head-scarf remains one of the most hotly debated issues in Turkish politics as the country struggles to reconcile its secular pride with its Islamic roots.
The welcome ceremony marks the first meeting between the Queen and Mr Gül, who became President last year. The quartet then disappeared behind palace doors to exchange gifts before preparing for last night’s state banquet.
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i just want to say that "that president" is not my president and that first lady (!) is a shame in all of our history, because she's the only one who wears that funny and un-modern scarf.
We're not a religion-addict country like them.
Turkey is Atatürk's country, we won't let them spoil it.
Gülengül Gültekin, Istanbul, Turkey
Hayrunnisa Gul wears very Western style clothes, in fact. Even the headscarf is identical to the kind of thing British women used to wear in the fifties. She just ties the scarf in a dfferent way and shows no skin apart from her hands and face. What is so alien about that?
RW, London,
Well the Queen may have her say on Turkey's EU-membership,
but she doesn't speak in the Name of Europe!
In fact the most Europeans disagree with these plans and don't
consider Turkey as an european country!
A possible membership of Turkey would destroy the EU!
angelos-philip, Cologne, Germany
I am pleased to see the queen in my country. i think that with experience of all years on the crown, she acts wise and so gentil... she can see the real needings of our world where there is war between civilizations. especially between muslims and christians...we are laic and all EU should support
Onur Can YAYCILI, ISTANBUL,
hi to everyone,
i just wanted to say that to have peace in the world we have to leave our prejudicied opinion... we must ask to ourselves that it is a cultural or economical problem or just only religion which make us against turkey.. who ever came turkey can see turkish real frendly people..
Onur Can YAYCILI, ISTANBUL,
Hugh,
have you spent time there and is that your own experience?
turkish republic is indeed not hundred procent well. But comparing with past 20 or 30 years turkey became a better and more democratic state.I always thought that british people has less prejudice than continental europeans!
Fatih unal, Frankfurt, Germany
keep you relaxed my friend. We dont need any council. we can solve our trouble byself.
osman, mersin, turkiye
Hi, who has got perfect cultural identity (Emmy) if you want to learn real meaning of the words Giaur, and Raya:"Infidel", "slave", check it out British Empire colonies. Specially India.I believe they are not expecting us to join EU. The reason is not religion differences the reason is we are Turk's
savas, TOTTENHAM, UK
I have always thought that the Queen has a good grasp on international politics and I wonder whether she really believes that Turkey should join the EU, or whether she is saying what the Foreign Office dictate. Turkey is not a European country and does not share our ideals nor our Christian identity
John, Eastbourne, UK
There is no place in the world Ottomans in the past and now Turkey brought misery. Just think about how many different nations (including Iraqis under Ottomans) lived together happily and in wellfare under Ottoman rule for 600 years. But unlike today nobody can ensure peace in Balkans and Iraq.
serhat çetin, istanbul,
Emmy Butlin,as I can see you are completly wrong informed.The Queen is well informed.You can trust her not visiting people which let suffer other people. Generally you can not compare 14th the 15th 16th century with todays modern thinking. Germany has killed 6 Millions of jewish people 60 years ago.
fatih unal, Frankfurt, Germany
And Germany of today is most important well developed democratic country in Europe.Emmy,go to turkey and make your own opinion. Turks say Giaur? No. But how do you call Pakistanis and other Moslems?
fatih unal, Frankfurt, Germany
Gordon Dudley ,
remember thousands of civil turks during WW I killed by armenian bandits.It was the war. Please learn more but not from only one sight. Try to have ideas also from turkish side.
What are you wishing?Should ´nt we built the future because of history?
fatih unal, Frankfurt, Germany
Turkey and England ties streches far back in history and stiil in good relations to date. l strongly believe that just like every nations past history has a story to tell? Lets just live and let live, why doesnt people just move on? Europe needs Turkey just as Turkey needs Europe. l envoy Turkey
EKNUMAN, London, United Kingdom
Dear Butlin. I think you are not right. Tho Ottoman state brought peace to Balkans. If you read the trustable manuscripts (you need to know Ottoman Turkish and some Balkan lanuages) you can learn the rights.
Zafer Karademir, Sivas , Turkey
Modern Turkish republic presents old Europe with the grown-up face of a country worthy of EU membership. Who the hell wrote this. Honour killings, corrupt local officials, and that just a start. People who write this stuff they should spend time in the real Turkey not take a sunshine holiday veiw
Hugh , Stalybridge,
It is so good to see such friendly steps taken in the creation of closer ties between nations in this crises ridden world of ours. I hope these high ranking meetings will lead to closer ties and lots of good luck for both Turkish and English nations...
ebrahim khodadoost, ardebil, iran
Why is it not a problem when someone visits a countries like Germany and Japan? Did Ottomans ever attack England in history? Why isn't anyone talking about atrocities against Muslim populations after WWI in the Balkans? What was happening in Cyprus in 1960's? Criticism for the sake of criticism.
Usul, Istanbul, Turkey
Remember the Christian martyrs of Armenia
Gordon, Dudley, United Kingdom
Visited the country 4 weeks ago & the Mosque Queen will be visiting in Bursa today. She will have a great welcome from the Turks - they are a welcoming people and very friendly. They have a great and long history !!!!
I was told of the Queen's visit on holiday by a trader in a market in Istanbul.
Ian Payne, WALSALL,
Britain has persued alleged war criminals to court, and indeed got Saddam Hussein hanged. It therefore surprises me that she pays an official visit to Turkey, a country which even today continues to commit war crimes against Cyprus,
Ronald, Nicosia, Cyprus
Emmy Butlin, Christians had all their place under Ottoman and Turkish rule. The Greek Orthodox Patriarchate is still located in Istanbul, a Muslim city since 1453. The fact that the Balkan states exist at all today is proof that the Ottomans never tried to Turkicize and convert Chrsitian populations
Cem, Ankara, Turkey
It saddens me to see the Queen and Prince Phillip visit a country that has percecuted Christians to almost extinction. I also feel for Prince Phillip whose family life was torn apart by the consequences of the last war between European nations and the then Ottoman Empire.
Emmy Butlin, London, UK
Invite the Turks to Europe ? for crying out loud! They ruled South Eastern Europe for 400 years. Ask of any Balkan the meaning of the Turkish words Giaur, and Raya: "Infidel", "slave". Balkan people still suffer the consequences of that occupation which only ended after 1st WW.
Emmy Butlin, London, UK
Most of the Eu people thinking Turkey not to be admitted within the E.U. They belive an economic and political union for Europeans, and Turkey doesn't share this european, cultural identity indispensable for members of the EU to be able to live together. Than I feel anti-European, and more national
savas, TOTTENHAM,