Mark Franchetti, Moscow
Download 'Too Hot', an exclusive Specials track from iTunes

THE war over South Ossetia, the breakaway region of Georgia, appeared to be widening last night. Vladimir Putin, the Russian prime minister, flew into the area from the Beijing Olympics as his forces seemed to be gaining the upper hand.
After another day of fighting in the rebellious province – and Russian air force attacks that killed civilians in Georgia itself – there were reports of fighting in Abkhazia, Georgia’s other separatist region.
Abkhazian leaders said they had launched air and artillery strikes on government forces with Russian air support and Russian naval vessels arrived at the port of Ochamchira, the secretary of Georgia's national security council, Alexander Lomaia, told AFP.
In South Ossetia itself, separatist leaders claimed 1,500 had been killed, including many civilians, in the initial Georgian assault on Friday. They said tens of thousands had been displaced. Moscow claimed to have pushed Georgian troops from Tskhinvali, the region’s heavily damaged capital.
Russia admitted that two of its aircraft had been shot down; Georgia claimed 10. There were bodies in the streets of Gori, the Georgian town 25 miles from South Ossetia where Josef Sta-lin was born, after an attack by Russian warplanes.
Early today, Russian planes dropped three bombs on a military airfield near Tbilisi airport.
Putin flew directly from Beijing to North Ossetia, on the Russian side of the border. There he made it plain that Moscow’s armed confrontation with Georgia is not simply about South Ossetia but also about its switch of allegiance to America.
“Georgia’s aspiration to join Nato . . . is driven by its attempt to drag other nations and peoples into its bloody adventures,” Putin said during a meeting in Vladikavkaz, the North Ossetian capital.
Mikhail Saakashvili, Georgia’s pro-American president, accused Russia of launching a full-scale invasion.
In Gori, Russian air force jets bombed military installations but also hit civilian buildings. Western journalists saw apartment blocks in ruins, some still on fire. One reported scores of bodies and bloodied civilians. Elderly people, women and children were among the victims.
“I can’t understand their logic. Why are they bombing civilians?” said Nick Kipshidze, a local doctor. A Red Cross official told Reuters news agency that he had counted 17 bodies at a local morgue.
President George Bush urged Russia to stop bombing, and last night Britain joined a diplomatic mission of European Union, US and Nato staff that was travelling to Georgia to try to broker a ceasefire. Officials, however, said options were limited.
Win a luxury weekend to Newcastle and its neighbour Gateshead, find out more here
Risk, resilience and embracing new technology
Industry sectors news at a glance. Interactive heatmap, video and podcast
Discover the power of collective thinking. Submit a solution and be in with a chance to win a Media Hub Home Entertainment System
The inside track on current trends in the charity, not for profit and social enterprise sectors
Everything the Business Traveller needs to know to make a better trip
Make the most of the summer and enter our fabulous photographic competition, you could win a £5000 holiday
Corsica is an island of beauty and contrast, an ideal holiday destination
Enjoy further reading from Travel to Fashion, Business to Sport, discover more
Shortcuts to help you find sections and articles
The clever way to lease a new car is with Car leasing made simple™
2009
per month on 36-month
Personal Contract Hire (PCH)
2008
42850
Car Insurance
£24,250 - £30,346
MI5
London
£60,000
The Environment Agency
Bristol
Up to £90K
Boots
Midlands
OTE £85k
Credit Protection Association
Nationwide Opportunities
Completely London
Luxury Condo's in Manhattan with NYC views
The best new homes in Wimbledon?
Nationwide
Fabulous Cruise And Cruise & Stay Offers Including Virgin Atlantic Flights Prices Start From Only £699pp!
Last Minute Cruise And Cruise & Stay Offers. Med From £499pp, Caribbean From £699pp!
5 star quality at a 3 star price.
8 fabulous Canadian cities ...you won’t find cheaper
Contact our advertising team for advertising and sponsorship in Times Online, The Times and The Sunday Times, or place your advertisement.
Times Online Services: Dating | Jobs | Property Search | Used Cars | Holidays | Births, Marriages, Deaths | Subscriptions | E-paper
News International associated websites: Globrix Property Search | Property Finder | Milkround
Copyright 2009 Times Newspapers Ltd.
This service is provided on Times Newspapers' standard Terms and Conditions. Please read our Privacy Policy.To inquire about a licence to reproduce material from Times Online, The Times or The Sunday Times, click here.This website is published by a member of the News International Group. News International Limited, 1 Virginia St, London E98 1XY, is the holding company for the News International group and is registered in England No 81701. VAT number GB 243 8054 69.
Israel has some strong oil interests in georgia and want to take complete control over te area, "Georgian Minister Temur Yakobashvili and Georgian Defense Minister Davit Kezerashvili who are both israeli's are showing their loyalty to israel and not to georgian peaple
igor, minsk,
it is all about Georgia joining nato.. and russia has warned clearly it would cause problems. and it did.
russia gave russian passports to osetians and then invaded georgia "defending russians"
same as did hitler in 1939
how can anyone believe Georgians are agressors.. they just 4 million.wakeup
Katarina, Johannesburg, South Africa
"Mikhail Saakashvili, Georgia’s pro-American president"
it is all that need to know...
Vladimir, SPB, Russia N-W
The history of <UK> is full of aggression against smaller countries, from 1500 to the present day. Even in <year>, our 'Englang' 'allies' were quite happy to cut a deal with <Ireland>... We simply cannot trust <UK>. Put US instead of UK and still that will be true. Isn't that so? SIlly.
Adam, Ivanovo,
stop fighting please, no matter what, never main who start first, you will realize the world never be better when you feel to be winner
siera, baucau, timorleste
We have a new cold war, not created by the west , but by the paranoia of Russia, she is becoming the enemy of the world. But Russia has a good cowardly pedigree of attacking small countries and this time NEEDS to be punished. Shame on Russia!!
philip, oxford, England UK
Wait a moment, isn't it Georgia who started this war? Why all the Western mass media are accusing Russia of bombing civils when it was Georgia who has initially killed 2000 civils?? Russia is only protecting their citizens and Saakashvili is playing a game a bit too complicated for him.
M.J., Moscow, Russia
The old dreems of Russia come in reality. Russian army are attecing ordinary georgian sivciles. They want to make georgia as its gubernia and make control over petrol and natural air tranzit construktions... This conflict seems not to stop in georgia, but escalate in hole caucasus...
Irakli Gurgenidze, Gori, Georgia
Shame on you Russia! I think no one should have any doubts who is the agressor in this war. Who atacked who. Russia make regular war against Georgia. Do not believe russian propaganda that they are a victim. They have prepared that riots in South Osettia (South Osettia is the part of Georgia btw!)
Christopher, Warsow, Poland
“I can’t understand their logic. Why are they bombing civilians?” said Nick Kipshidze, a local doctor. " - I hope this doctor has a definite answer on what reason dozens of South Ossetia's civilians were slaughtered by Gergian forces in Tshinvalli a couple days before it.
Aleksey Arestov, Murmansk, Russia
18 years ago russian was trying to "solve russian people problems&troubles" in Lithuania. Result - dead, innocence people who was trying to have a chance to be lithuanian in lithuania. So is here anybody who believe in russian? Certainly - not me& i believe not lithuanian people! Viva Georgia !!!
Audrius, Kaunas, Lithuania
It is hard to say who really started this stupid war, but I remeber very well how Russia started the war in Transnistria.It was the same story, they brought a lot of russian civilians during the Soviet Union, and now this people want to be russian on our land.I think in Georgia is the same situation
Irina, Chisinau, Moldova
for the sake of reality here, let us not forget that those who are dying are not too different than you or I, only that they have been eternally deprived of the ability to lob ignorant rhetoric at unknown userIDs somewhere in cyberspace. The world needs less Ignorant rhetoric now, and more truth.
Edward Hickey, Winnemucca, USA
why cann't take a peaceful way to solve promblem ?
Michelle, guanhu,
i am georgian and i saw how russians were throwing bombs i was in shock but its terrible to explain what are feeleng mothers of young boys who are lying in the streets of gori.shame on you the world.we need help from you but you are just talking and talking.please god help us.
kate, rustavi, georgia
Kapil from Bombay India,
I have been to Air Shows around EU. You must be nuts to think that Russian iron is better. Modern military conflicts have show Russian Iron to be lacking. Any country who can afford it buys U.S. hardware and wins. Russians are tough but equipment is bad and lacks technology
Mike, Calgary, Canada
Instead of killing civialian of both sides, I would prefer watching an aerial combat between Su-35 and F-35. I believe that the russian iron is much better and their pilots are smarter, but that needs to be proven in a real fight.
Kapil, Bombay, India
Just remember about hundreds of thousands civilians who were killed by US military machine in 1945 in Hirosima and Nagasaki, then in Vietnam, then in Jugoslavia, than and now in Iraq and you will understand what is the price of human life for US department.
Dima, Cherepovets, Russia
this is a golden oppertunity to remove putin from power. all that this ituation needs is balls. britain (not involving the u.s) should openly support georgia militarily. the russians would falter, and putin would be forced from office.
lewis, Oswestry, england
It's just a provocation of Russia by US department using Georgia and Saakashvili as the tool (it's a resources war ). Georgia attacked the peaceful sleepy town and killed 2000 civilians. Just imagine that somebody bombed for example North Ireland or Gavaii. What would be the reaction of UK or USA?
Dima, Cherepovets,
You only know what your press wants you to know. So before you make any conclusions who's why in this war - go read other press from all over the world. This is not Georgia vs Ossetia. This is US vs Russia. My sympathy for the civilians who are cards in the game of the dirty politics. I want it over
Elena, Moscow, Russia
Can anyone say World War 3? Cause this is what it is people.
NATO and the US are sending out a force to help the Geograins. This means US and British marked vehicles against Russia. What will Russia do? Well, you all should be smart enough to figure that one out for yourselves.
Paul Searle, Brisbane, Australia
There is no indefinite article in Russian - which gives many of these "UK" and "USA" contributions their characteristic flavour
JJ, London, UK
How can Georgia attempt to justify what they are doing? It was Georgia who started the bombing in South Ossetia. Russia had to respond to protect the citizens who had Russian passports. How can Mikhail Saakashvili even suggest Russia is invading? America should wake up and not be Gerogia's pawns!
JOHNNY, LONDON, UK
Why are the Americans NOT Georgia their allies on the "war on terror" ? Georgia has sacrificed thousands of troops in Iraq.
jayil, london, uk
A sad consequence of Putin's war-mongering is that there is now only slight chance of a Democratic president that the world and the USA so badly needs. This bellicose Stalinist Russia will create a right-wing swift shift in American politics as the world adjusts to Putin's world-war politics. And all will suffer in the end - perhaps Russia worst of all; even with all their gas and guns, they are still unable to feed themselves.
Ian, Berwick, UK
How about thinning out all these fake Russian propaganda messages. They're all the same uninformative drivel.
Anna, London, UK
Tough for the Eu and Usa not having there own way with georgia being a safe puppet for democratic control and placed nicely for the upply of oil tehy so need
tony trebilcoc, manchester, uk
Russia - get out of Moldova, get out of Georgia, get out of Karelia, get out of Kuril islands.
Cata, Iasi, Romania
Georgia might have bitten off more than it can chew here. When the Russian makes war he annhilates. This episode shows Georgia may not be ready for NATO. Highly doubtful the US will stick its neck out now. But with Bush - hey, you never know. Putin's playing wiith fire.
Adam Briggs, New York, USA
georgia has begun this war and will be punishment for it
sorry for bad english
man, Moscow, Russia
There will be no winner at this war.
Saakashvili must be blamed by international community for committed genocide.
Denis, Omsk, Russian Federation
At least Putin's intentions are clear. I was told by someone in Russia years ago when he assumed power that he would be another Stalin, and that has happened.
The expansion of the EU and NATO eastward, and the freedoms that those countries and their peoples have earned, are at risk.
Timothy D. Naegele, Malibu, California, USA
USA never invaded any small country, Britain never occupied any country and decalred them as colony.
Mail, Sydney, Australia
Mark La Vardera
But trust America we can?
USA and UK have an agression now in Irak. Here is agression come from Georgia. But for all that if you so assured, what reasons of this agression in Ossetia? Oil? Its nonsense. Russian economic drops now because of this crisis,Russia doesnt need this war
Lev, Saint-Petersburg, Russia
Georgia thought it could kill thousands of innocent people without reply. Now Saakashvili must understand who he's dealing with.
This is the END of him as pilitician, and the END of Georgian state. After this treachery they cannot get S.Ossetia and Abkhazia back.
Sergey, Tomsk, Russia
EUROPE'S OIL COMES FROM CASPIAN BASIN THROUGH GEORGIA. If Russians get control of Georgia, Russias can control Europe by threatening to shut off the oil. So maintaining Georgia's independence is vital to the security of Europe. Are Europeans willing to defend their vital interests?
Katie, New Orleans , Louisiana
I am surprised that Russian response has been so small. I would think Russia should take this opportunity to totally destroy Georgian military to the last man standing! Georgia started it......Russia should end it!
Chris, Chicago, USA
Well the georgian conflict has its origins in the soviet union .North and south ossetia were divided by Lenins commisar for nationalities .... stalin in 1922 , with southern ossetia in georgia , to ensure that Georgian sepratism would be checked ! Unfortunately this relic of the cold war , remains
goldsmith , manchester , uk
I'm sorry to hear that!this is war that give them grief and nothing else!
Ivan, GUANGZHOU, CHINA
It's absolutely clear that no one of western boys uderstand this situation. Georgian military machine came to Osetia, killing civiliance. My friends called me from that area: Georgian kill children and women. Is it realy cool?
Mikhail Lavoshnikov, Moscow, Russia
i think we should all condemed in the strongest word possible the actions of both russia & georgia in this conflict baring in mind that its the defenceless innocent people that bares the brunt of all this. secondly the US aspirations of dominating the world should also be brought into account.
sunday obikoya, essex, united kingdom
There seems to be less to hinder than to ignite a full scale, maybe globally performed war, that is mayhem, with Georgia as the spark. PLEASE, could somebody with an open ear to the decision makers advise the following: War always ends with the talk you thought was impossible before the war.
Jan, TROLLHÄTTAN, SWEDEN
The Russians are going to move into Georgia itself and depose Mikhail Saakashvili. They won't want to leave him there to try to join NATO again.
Michael Doliner, Ithaca, United States
If a democratic country? wants to join NATO Russia should have no say.
Lets remember most of these countries suffered under Soviet/Tsar/and Russian rule.
Putin has proved he wants to be a Tsar and try and restore what he feels is their former glory
and send a message to all on his borders bullyin
Diago, Santiago, Chile
Mark La Vardera - in 1939 it was the US/UK who first signed the Munich deal with Hitler deal to betray Chechoslovakia. Stalin only followed suit to protect his borders - again, AFTER the Munich pact. Get your history right.
Bob A, Melbourne, Australia
Russia is protecting Osetians and Abhazians, most of whom are Russian citizens against the Georgian genocide. What would US do if at one night any world stated killed 1000 of its citizens? US invaded 2 countries for the lives of 3000 Americans. Finally Russia protects its people! It is respectful.
Vlad, Huntsville, US
Well... Georgia started.. and afterall most of the population living there is also Russian... Georgia is bombing the russian houses.. it is their intention to kill the russians in that land to rule it properly... it is a shame.. Russia is just defending its citzens too ... let´s face facts westerns.
Jorge Castillo, Paris, France
Georgians have killed 2000 civilians during 24 hours in Tshinvali. Probably, all women and children of Osetia are terrorists and separatists?
We 'simply cannot trust the West'. Your mass media always tell lies about Russia.
Nick, Moscow, Great Russia
Mark La Vardera from Reading, UK
history of the UK is full of aggression against the countless number of countries all across the globe - starting from your first-door neighbours (Ireland), and it countinues to the present day in Iraq. The UK simply has no moral grounds and cannot be trusted.
Pushitega Majmuni, Belgrade,
I am a russian speaker (not russian though) from Republic of Moldova. We had a similar war in 90's. Moldovan government similar to today's Georgian were burning us alive, killing... NO ANY EUROPEAN STATE or US INTERVENED for us! NOBODY. Russian troops protected us. Russia protects russians. Good.
Vlad, Huntsville, US
Craig Andrews, Why do you love to blame the U.S.? Your comment was unfounded. Since you know everything, prove to us that the South Ossetia region is becoming a proxy play and testing ground for a U.S.-Russia war. Also support that U.S. oil supply domination is a factor here. I am fed up with this.
Aaron, Columbus, United States
These pictures are badly made false. I saw all of them. Find mistakes in them, look at their shoes, faces and etc. Imagine that you are Sherlock Holmes. Don't forget about who began the war.
Rem, Abakan, Russia
Typical the West has decided that despite acting to protect its people Russia is the FOE. The amount of misinformation is shocking. US backed Georgia deployed its US trained army into South O and attacked Russian citizens.Where was/ is the West's condemnation of Russia's attacks on Chechenya.
iimtiaz, London, UK
I suppose Europe will stand and wring their hands at the Russian aggression and hope the US will act as their shield, just in case the Russians move a little bit further towards Europe.
Glen, Toronto,
I the Ukraine next?
Neal, East Lansing, USA
Saakashvili plays the game he cannot win, it's a miserable attempt to redeem trust of his own people. He is spending much of the efforts explaining western allies his own view of the situation most of which is lie. Take a look @ his body language in interviews to CNN and BBC. He's constantly lying!
Sergey, London, UK
It's amazing the world outcry when the US accidentely kills a non-combatant despite incredible planning and advanced weapondry to prevent that. Russia, being one of the loudest critics. When Russia kills civilians outright in an obvious attact on a civilian target, a gentle outcry follows.
Eric, Raleigh,NC, USA
The history of Russia is full of aggression against smaller countries, from 1500 to the present day. Even in 1939, our erstwhile Russian 'allies' were quite happy to cut a deal with Adolf Hitler over a prostrate Poland, then there was the unprovoked attack on Finland. We simply cannot trust Russia.
Mark La Vardera, Reading, UK
IT really a pity.
vista, changsha, CHINA
Talk about using a sledge hammer to drive a nail. I think former Soviet foreign minister Edward Shevardnadze would be outraged at the blood of his brothers being spilled on his home soil by the very people he so faithfully served for decades. I feel for the defenseless.
LR
Lewis Roberts, San Antonio, United States
On whose authority does Barrack Obama have to be speaking directly with the Georgian president? This is outrageous and potentially detrimental to resolving this crisis.
LR
Lewis Roberts, San Antonio, United States
This conflict is certainly looking more and more like a US Russian war played by proxy using Sth Ossetia as the 1st testing ground.
If the US were not so hell bent on building their empire and dominating oil supplies then none of this would be happening.
Craig Andrews, Glen iris, Australia
"...Why are they bombing civilians?.."
3 reasons:
1. Georgian military is stationed in civilian cities.
2. Georgian military killed 2000 Ossetian civilians during Friday night initial bombardment, and is continuing to do so.
3. Makes perfect military sense. Remember "Shock & Owe"?
Bob A, Melbourne, Australia