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Putin on Bush: the court makes the King
Vladimir Putin served notice yesterday that his country’s relations with Britain would never recover while London remained a base for antiRussian dissent.
Speaking to Western journalists and academics in the Black Sea resort of Sochi, near the border with Georgia, where Russia fought a bloody conflict last month, the Russian Prime Minister covered a wide range of foreign policy issues in typically blunt and confident style.
His central message was that Russia did not want to engage the West in a new Cold War but that it would react if provoked, as it feels it was last month in the Caucasus, where it judged that its interests were being threatened.
The former President stepped aside this year to make way for Dmitri Medvedev but spoke and acted very much like a head of state. At times he displayed anger, particularly when discussing the deployment of US warships off the Russian Black Sea coast.
Much of Mr Putin’s criticism was aimed at the Bush Administration, which he accused of training and arming the Georgian military and encouraging its leadership to launch last month’s assault on the breakaway province of South Ossetia. “Should we have wiped the bloody snot off our face and bowed our head? Should we have waved our penknives?” he asked.
The American President was a man of honour and integrity, Mr Putin said. It was members of the Bush Administration who were to blame for tensions between their two countries. “I still hope we will maintain good relations, but it is the court that makes the king,” he said.
He spoke fondly of his relationship with President Bush, saying, only half-jokingly: “I treat President Bush better than some Americans would.” He made a direct threat against Poland and the Czech Republic, warning them that Russian nuclear missiles would be aimed at their territory the moment they allowed US interceptor missiles to be deployed there.
His message to Britain was less apocalyptic but no less worrying for British officials who have been trying to repair damage caused to Anglo-Russian relations after the poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko, the former KGB agent killed in London two years ago by operatives suspected to be working on Moscow’s orders.
Mr Putin said that he understood that British asylum law protected the rights of antiPutin figures such as Boris Berezovsky and the Chechen rebel leader Akhmad Zakayev. But he denounced Britain for allowing them to carry on their campaign on British soil. “Why are you allowing the territory of Great Britain to fight Russia? Why do you allow Great Britain to be used as a launch pad?” he asked. “That is why it is not possible to build a normal relationship.”
It would be like Russia allowing known IRA terrorists to use Russia as a safe haven to plan attacks, he said.
He insisted that, far from using excessive force against Georgia, Russia had shown restraint. Russian tanks could have captured the Georgian capital Tbilisi in four hours.
Mr Putin, who has governed Russia for the best part of a decade, was at pains to describe his country as a power on the global stage that wanted respect and its interests taken into account – but did not want a confrontation with the Western powers.
“We do not have any imperial claims on anybody,” he said. Cold War warriors in the West were trying to revive the old contest between the Soviet Union and the West. “There is no more Soviet threat but they want to resurrect it. Russia is no threat to the US or Europe,” he said.
More colourfully, he warned the US not to repeat the mistakes of the Roman Empire. “A Roman politician began and ended every speech saying that Carthage had to be destroyed. Eventually, Carthage was destroyed and the area around it assaulted but the Roman Empire was eventually destroyed by the Barbarians. We have to look out for barbarians.”
Mr Putin insisted that he was preoccupied with Russia’s economic and social problems and that real power rested with President Medvedev. “He had to give the orders in South Ossetia. He had to recognise the country’s independence. These were his decisions. Unless the commander-in-chief gives an order the army will not move,” Mr Putin said. “I never try to give him advice. I never bother him.”
Mr Putin also showed a more conciliatory side. Asked about nuclear weapons, he said that the time might come when they could be phased out. “There are technological developments in conventional weapons that could make nuclear weapons obsolete,” he said. “We should close this Pandora’s Box.”
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Yes, Leonard, got it. Pretty much. The worst thing is that majority of the Czechs disagree with the placement of the radar because they are afraid of this "one big crater left" scenario. But their own politicians told the people to back off and signed the treaty anyway. No referendum, no discussion
Jana, Prague, Czech Republic
Putin threatens Poland and Czech Republic
Imagine a US nuke strike on RF . Without AM defence, it's easy: RF reacts, MAD, game over . WITH such thing, the reaction can be reducted and become "bearable" & strike becomes "feasible" . Unless the defence is blown away first...Wherever it is...Got it ?
Leonard, Sardinia,
Pretty smart synthesis there, Johnny. Did you have some hopes that a particular region's propaganda would villify itself? The solution to your problem is simple; read eastern propaganda and you can get the flip side. And, yes, we need to back off from Russia and quit being so damned aggressive.
Jim P, Sacramento, California
Let us not forget how the US reacted to Soviet Union's attempt to place missiles in Cuba in 1962.If that incident could be viewed in the West as not just a threat, but a major crisis, then why do we expect Russia's view of US attempt to build missile shields in Eastern Europe to be so different.
Chika Omeje, London, United Kingdom
The UK we can get rid of PM unlike Russia.If Russia is so great why does london have Russian billionaires.Putin realised markets rule enconomies not war heads.As for Americans the support shown to us in the Falklands war was overwhleming Reagan really supported like South Africa. Only New Zealand
Mike, London,
Putin is a smart man. He is right, western propaganda likes to portray Russia as agressors & US as saviours, when US foregn policy is the source to most probs. If western media r less selective & report on everything that happens in RU, like they do in US and EU, then everyone will be clearer.
Johnny, london, uk
Russian newspapers carry stories about how the Slavs are genetically superior to other races. The Russian Orthodox Church says the same things (especially Vselovod Chaplin, a fanatic if there ever was one; but for Russian power, not for Jesus Christ). There was a similar regime in the 1930's ...
Ben, Moscow, Russia
Putin is a bully, and every one should stand up to bullies
martin, Reading, Berkshire
If their was no oil in the region, would the USA be interested in Georgia etc?
Vishal Patel, London, UK
Putin frightens me.
Horace, Florence, Tuscany, Italy
Who does he think he's pointing his finger at?
leila, manchester, uk
Russia is a totalitarian and expansonist state, her population and leaders full of ultranationalistic bluster. Just check out Russian newspapers or TV, and you will be shocked. I'm happy civilized world is standing united against the tyranny. We cannot aford to repeat the mistakes of 1930's.
Thomas, Helsinki, Finland
Vladimir Minsk. Which history book you are reading? I think you will find Britain was fighting the Nazis in 1939. The Soviet Union stood on the side after signing a non aggression pact. Britain stood alone (no help from the USA) for almost 2 years. This exchange would be in German if she had fallen.
Alan, Salina, Malta
What is NATO{The United States] doing in Georgia, Poland, Czechoslovakia, the former Yugoslavia - to name but a few places suffering from American intervention.
Should Russia have a millitary presence in Britain, the USA, Western Europe?
Judged by US rules - to rule the World - it would be right.
roy ormond, leeds, uk
Mikhail , Moscow,
yes we heard all that before. Russia wants all the rights but none of the duties.
Anthony L, Chelmsford, UK
Barbarians are coming! It is not about Russia anymore. It is a new era of Asia, Latin America, so called 3rd world. You think democracy is the best, but you are a minority in this world. You will be minority at home soon. Barbarians are on your streets today. You can do nothing. Putin is very smart.
Vlad, Huntsville, USA
One momemt Putin threatens Poland and Czech Republic the next he says that Russia is no threat to the US and Europe. I fear that Putin speaks with forked tongue. Is it any wonder that President Yuschenko of Ukraine wants to join NATO, with friends like Putin/Russia who needs enemies.
Jim, Northridge, USA
Welcome to the 21st century Vlad, it is high time that you let your great people think freely and express themselves freely. The world is not all about "enemies", it is about being aware of and accepting differing views, inside and outside of your great nation. The world will embrace and support you
David, Mount Maunganui, New Zealand
Up to now, western leaders (some) hated him for his popularity and the sense of unity and consensus he created among his people. They can add to that his analytical thought, persistent search for the truth and the direct "look-me-in-the-eyes" attitude.
Excellent speech. Try and watch it all.
nkmile, athens, GR
One minute putin says he wants peace with the EU, the next he says he is going 2 nuke poland. how stupid does he think we are? and why do we wan their friendship anyway, they dont have 2 be our friends 2 sell us oil
Ben, UK,
We should close this Pandoras Box.
In fact soon agreement between US and Russia not to use nuclear weapons is expired. I think normal people and Putin should be worried about that. At least Russia and USA have to sign new agreement.
Evgeniy Denisov, Samara, Russian Federation
I think he wanted to say that the relations with Britain will not be improved and 'the dissidents' it is just formal ground for it. I do not see any problems with that, both countries do not have vital interdependence.
Alex, Moscow, Russia
>>>The Russians have done nothing since World war 2 to earn anyone's respect.
>>>Graham, Fleet, UK
And you have done nothing even in the World war 2. Your troops begun fighting when the war had almost been won. After that all the time you have been paid by Americans. And you talk us about respect
Vladimir, Minsk,
It seems to me like most part of commentators dont even understand or just dont want to take into consideration a fact of Russias reluctance of war. Westerners, PLEASE, make love not war.
Anna, Perm, Russia
It seems to me that there's a distinction to be drawn between what Putin says - a lot of it is true after all and we should stop trying to kid ourselves it's not; and the crude, bullying tactics Russia uses to enforce its own point of view. It has the "right" -sure. But it will never be respected
paul , london, uk
So... Putin warns U.S. and west from repeating errors made by Roman empire, while he wants to create new Roman empire himself... and become caesar himself...
Jani A, U.gi, Finland
First of all, Mr Putin likes his family & country. GB is not a girl to be liked or not.
Next time when somebody will explode a bomb or kill your troops, don’t blame somebody, just think about your behavior.
The only thing Russia wants is Respect & equal rights.
Mikhail , Moscow,
I heard that Putin is richer than Bill Gates.
Joe Steel, Baku,
Almost from guys here i hear the words like KGB, Stalin, Soviet Union etc...Guys, you just dont know nothing about Russia but this eternal fear that s inside your brains?
Relax, to built new relationships with Russia YOU must change your mind..but seems like you just dont want it...
Maria, St Petersburg,
Some of my Russian colleagues in Moscow are finding it more difficult to get Visa's from foreign embassies. No one is sure exactly how this has happened.
fereracarera, Inverurie, Scotland
Without its nuclear weapons Russia will be a second hand power,China will walk over Russia if Russia did not have atomic weapons to defend herself. As for Putin trying to do way with nuclear power that is a joke,he knows better.
Could Russia ever use them? That we should worry for the future.
vespasianus, Paramus n.j, United States
little zar should point finger towards himself and take a step down
nobody can forget and forgive him deaths of hundreds journalists and ex agents like Alexander Litvinenko.
European countries has made a huge mistake to permit their corrupted politicians to make agreements with russian gas companies
edoardo chioni, Rome , ITALY
So.... Putin doesn't like us much. We must be doing something right.
Ducan, London/Beijin,
The only thing Mr. Putin was tryin to bring into some cloudy minds that Russia is no threat to Europe, US or any else. There is no any " Soviet regime" in Russia. The things are changing. We do not want a war!
ILya, Stavropol, RF
Headline should be: Putin Protests Not Being Allowed to Continue Conducting Political Assasinations on British Soil.
Tom Penn, Knoxville, USA
Where has all this hot piffle from Putin led to?Just look at how far the Russian Market has fallen in a month? This just points to how really weak the the Russian economy is. It's dependence primarily on energy resources is Russia's great underbelly. I hope this megalomaniac has learnt his lesson.
Brian Musah, Hertford, UK
This paper is giving too much publicity to swindlers ,crooks and murderers ,ommitting the true facts discussed in Sochi.
According Paris Conference Agreement (1989-1991) Western leaders promised to Russia not to expand NATO beyond former East Germany. What we see in Europe under U.S.leadership now
J.Kolobko, Kiiv, Ukraine
As long as Russia perceives a threat around every corner, it will remain a third world country. Grow up Mr Putin; provide ALL of your people with a decent wage and stop looking for scapegoats.
CB, Caracas, Venezuela
To Julia. Living in Russia, we know our enemies and notice how media and politicians are trying to 'brainwash' us. Europeans and US ppl are usually manipulated. One politican says democracy was touched and you are ready to protest and do what they want you to. Your opinions are no longer yours. Sad.
Alex Meshkov, Novosibirsk-Beijing, Russia-China
"King Putin"'s only interest is his own self aggrandishment whilst his people are left to rot and he denies them the same rights to self determination he has given to sections of the population of Georgia. That is why the population of Russia is in terminal decline.
Simon Hicks, Burgess Hill, UK
Tim, Oxford. Russia might possess a newspaper that carries the banner 'Pravda', but truth never has been a feature of Russian culture. I doubt Putin would know what it was if he woke up in bed next to it.
Richard Crow , Warsaw, Poland
Britain is still a free, fair and open society. Sure we harbour dissidents and enemies of Russia, but we also harbour enemies of Britain thanks to our open door immigration policy (or is that lack of immigration policy?).
Brian, Yeovil, UK
diplomat who knew things very well. He said to me that it is better for Ukraine to stay a bridge between Russia and West rather than anything else. Like Finland in the Cold War. Smart. Now we have a stupid leader in Ukraine, beckoning from the West , angry Russia and split Ukraine?
sergei, limassol, cyprus
To Alexey
The right comparison of KGB is with Gestapo and not with CIA.
Imagine former Gestapo member being German president.
Mike, London,
Respect is not given - it is earned.
The Russians have done nothing since World war 2 to earn anyone's respect.
Like most bullies, they do not understand this.
Graham, Fleet, UK
Alex 'Where is my pride?' In living in a country where the law protects those who criticise those in power, where Government isnt run by the ex head of the secret police and the mafia, and which defeated the most bloody tyranny the world has ever known, soviet imperialism. Alex, where is yours?
julia, london,
Putin is right about the main reason that the the U.S. allowed Georgia to attack Ossetia (which is how it worked) - domestic U.S. politics. This is what is motivating most U.S. public diplomacy. The real U.S. goal is mostly focused about control of global oil supplies and transit routes.
Ike, San Francisco,
Why has Britain allowed its interests and relations with Russia to be damaged by habouring Russian oligarchs who are the political opponents of the Russian government.
It is not clear what British interest is served by this.
This policy has only served to create enemies.
John Collins, Bromley, Kent
Subho Basu, Syracuse , United States
Were talking about the Iraq war by any chance when you mentioned "mass murder"? Please clarify.
Oleg, Toronto, Canada
Putin is right about the main reason that the the U.S. allowed Georgia to attack Ossetia (which is how it worked) - domestic U.S. politics. This is what is motivating most U.S. public diplomacy. The real U.S. goal is mostly focused about control of global oil supplies and transit routes.
Ike, San Francisco,
>>>brian , rosyth,
"Once KGB always KGB."
What is wrong with KGB? USA has CIA why can't we have the same thing?
Alexey, Perm, Russian Federation
Putin is the only man who tells us the truth about global politics. The author of the article missed one important detail that Putin said: There is no such concept as European politics. European politics is made in Washington D.C. Hey, europeans, where is your pride!?
Alex, Moscow, Russia
UK is a democracy where rule of law is widely respected. Even those who allegedly conspire to commit mass murder got fair trial. This is what distinguishes UK. Mr. Putin would never understand democracy.
Subho Basu, Syracuse , United States
Putin got it right. He is THE barbarian to the US's Rome. With respect to respect, no pun intended, some would say respect is earned. Somehow threatening your neighboor is a strange way of going about it. But managing an economy still stuck in LendLease, he is forced to get respect any way he can.
Peter, Warsaw, Poland
I trust Putin alot more then I trust Bush, at least Putin speaks the truth and is straight to the point
Tim, oxford,
Russia won't have to resort to war, as the West will defeat itself, with it's liberal left policies.
Richard, Ivybridge, UK
Arrogant bushisms like that characterize you more than Putin.
Ilia G, Toronto, Canada
Quite a misleading title. Ahmed Zakayev is a "dissident" of sorts, so called "President of Ichkeria", deeply involved in the bloody islamic rule in Chechnya in the 90-ies, the "Kaukasus Khalifate" an so on. If he is a "dissident", why not Ossama? Give him political asylum too.
R. Theodore, Kuwait,
Yes Cat, that's why Putin is the Time 2007 Man of the Year and Time 2008 Most Influential Man in the World. Isn't it?
Topol, Hyderabad, India
At Long Last! Putin has spoken.
The Truth!
San Ying, Montreal, Canada
Quid pro quo Mr Putin - please refrain from transporting your nuclear materials (polonium) into my country to kill those who do not support your views.
Richard, Bucharest,
if ever there was a puppet it is Medvedev. Putin pulls the strings and it is all too apparent every time he makes a statement. Once KGB always KGB.
brian , rosyth,
Putin shoud have never been trusted. He is still a paranoid spy. Period
Cat, Utah, USA