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The mile will go on for ever after the European Parliament voted yesterday to allow Britain to keep its traditional measurements, after years of trying to impose the metric system.
The decision will also safeguard the pint and ounce, despite a behind-the-scenes attempt led by France and Germany to set a deadline for their replacement, The Times understands.
In a victory for Britain’s “metric martyrs” – traders who were prepared to go to court to keep traditional weights and measures – it means that the phase-out of the imperial system, due next year, will be put off indefinitely. It will allow traders to sell items by the pound and ounce provided that they also display the metric equivalent.
The EU climbdown was first indicated last year by the European Commissioner for Enterprise and Industry, Günter Verheugen, who called the metric movement “a pointless battle” against British culture. But The Times has learnt that in detailed discussions at ambassadorial level this year, Germany, France, Estonia and Austria tried to keep a timetable for imperial measures to be scrapped.
British campaigners argued that the continual assault on traditional ways of doing things was bad for business and that imperial measures made it easier for British exporters to trade with the US market. In the end the four countries backed down because they could not raise enough support against the argument among other EU member states, leading to the deal agreed yesterday by MEPs.
The Government and the Conservatives were both keen to claim the credit for the decision in Strasbourg. John Denham, the Innovation, Universities and Skills Secretary, who is responsible for national weights and measures, said: “People in Britain like their pint and their mile. They should be able to use the measures they are most familiar with. We made strong arguments for the right to carry on using pints and miles and maintaining dual metric and imperial labelling.”
David Willetts, the Shadow Innovation, Universities and Skills Secretary, said: “The pint, the mile and pounds and ounces are part of our country’s rich traditions and it is great that they have been protected from an absurd attempt by the EU to get rid of them.”
Since 1995, goods sold in Europe have had to display metric weights and measurements. But to appease a public outcry in the UK, imperial indications were also allowed, although the concession was to end next year.
The most prominent of the metric martyrs, Steve Thoburn, was convicted in 2001 of selling bananas only by the pound. His offence was that he failed to provide customers with the metric equivalent, as required under EU law. He died in 2004.
Milestones
1215 Reign of King John. An agreement to have a national standard of weights and measures incorporated into Magna Carta
1352 Reign of Edward III. A statute sets the stone as 14lb
1532 Reign of Henry VIII. An Act says butchers should sell meat by haver du pois weight – avoirdupois – in which the pound is split into 16 ounces
1824 Reign of George IV. The Weights and Measures Act established the imperial system of weights and measures
1969 Reign of Elizabeth II. Metrication Board set up to look at introducing the metric system into the UK
1972 The European Communities Act hands responsibility for weights and measures legislation to Brussels
1995 Goods sold in Europe must be shown in metric, but imperial measurements are also allowed after public demand
2001 Steve Thoborn convicted of selling bananas by the pound. Under EU law he was required to give his customers the metric equivalent
2008 EU allows Britain to use the imperial system alongside metric measurements
Source: Times archives
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To Mark,
The mile is completely made up, the kilometre is supposed to be 1 /10000 of a quarter of the Earth; therefore the Earth has a circumference of 40,000km. Besides imperial is loosely based on Roman units and the metric system was first designed in London, go misplaced patriotism!
Simon, London,
I am well under 50 and i am quite happy using both systems. Stop trying to take away our little quirks, we have little enough that makes us unique. This is not about empire or being antiquated, just leave us be!
kersty, Leeds,
"Years of trying to impose the metric system?" Not trying very hard, I think.
Presented as a victory for self-determination this is in fact a triumph of backwardness. Metric is used in every scientific application and in every country except US, Liberia and Burma. This disadvantages the UK.
Bruce McGinn, London, UK
What's the issue here?
We joined the EU so it makes it their business...
We don't like to be told to stop using imperial measures and they give-in...All modern vehicles have both Miles and KM's on the speedometers so we can drive in Europe without mental arithmetic...
and we have a choice.
Move on.
Mr Brown, London,
I think they both work perfectly well. I'm in my 20s and grew up measuring my height in feet/inches and weight in stones. Don't know them in m/cms or kg, wouldn't mean anything to me anyway. Also I've always measured long distances in miles, shorter in metres and liquids in litre/milileters.
Shaka, Glasgow, Scotland
Why don't you go back to 20 shillings, 12 pence, crowns,etc...
Would that make any sense???
Talis, Paris, France
Actually the whole world uses a complete mix of different measurements all the time without any problem at all - we are all quite able to cope with ease. Just look at EU plumbing sizes as a starting point !! And ask for a "livre" of product in most French markets will get you a "pound" (or 500grams)
Michael, Chalais, France
Yes, dinosaurs have rights just like everyone else, and those who want to continue to waste their time using a ludicrously complicated and illogical system are perfectly entitled to carry on doing so. Meanwhile British businesses will continue to design and specify everything in sensible metric...
Graeme, Dinan, France
John, France. Here's one for you.... a km is 5/8 a mile. hardly the world' most difficult arithmatic. We are our own independent nation state, and if we want to use imperial measures, or the pound for that matter, we will. There is nothing "quaint" about having your own culture
Jessica, London,
The utter futility of imperial measurements is shown by the fact that the last two countries who use them (the US and the UK) have *different* fluid ounces. Please, let's allow them to die quietly.
Anthony, Brighton,
Comments on this form show that most Brits are quite happy to be in the EU provided we take no part in it.
Oh and John Maynard: our empire may be in the dustbin now, largely thanks to US pressure, but at least it lasted several hundred years and worked!, lets see how long the US's empire lasts
Bob, Sittingbourne, UK
Eventually the imperial measures will disappear. They don't make any sense any more. Scienctists all over the world, including in the UK and USA, have been metric for decades.
The EU knows that forcing anything on the Brits will only make them go against it. Reverse psychology at its best.
Erwin, London, UK
I'm 25 and I have grown up in a world that uses two types of measurement for everything without any actual reason behind this.I am 5'11" and I weigh 12', yet I ran the 100 meters and i can bench press 80 kilos.We will lose imperial measurements-move on oldies, please!If the Aussies can, we can.
Gareth, Birmingham, UK
If it's a one world government people are looking for by all means let's all jump on the band wagon and switch to metric, while we're at it, let's just change the worlds money to one type then we can make an official language to speak, certain types off clothing styles to be allowed... raseberries!
Leila, Orlando, USA
Whether you Brits like it or not your empire is long in the dustbin and you, whether you like it or not, are, with the agreement of your government, part of the new empire, the European Union. Enjoy your quaint measures, all children need some toys.
Jon Maynard, Lansing MI, USA
I understand metric and imperial - what is the problem? Using both really is not that challenging. Britain should use its heritage and its brains to its advantage and these people crying out about Brussels should stop whining and grow up.
louise, brighton, uk
"More taxpayers money wasted on a nonsense."
I agree entirely! Europe should not have poked her nose in in the first place! THAT would have saved your £millions.
NOTE: £ yes £ millions - now THAT fight is on and WILL BE WON!
Angus R MUNRO, DONCASTER, South Scotland
John, Péault, France
That's the thing John, Britons really don't care what you Europeans think of us. Most Britons don't want anything to do with your precious EU.
Hence why the Government flatly refuse a referendum on anything EU related.
Phill, Cheshire, UK
So how will drivers from the mainland know what speed they're travelling at? All EU speedometers are calibrated in k/h, and there's no attempt by UK authorities to help. If Brits want to be considered quaint by the rest of Europe, they're going the right way about it.
John, Péault, France
It is a shame that the BBC has forgotten our long traditions and insists on using all metric no matter what or who they are talking to. The Brussels Broadcasting Corporation does not belong in Britain.
Vanessa, London,
"We made strong arguments for the right to carry on using pints and miles and maintaining dual metric and imperial labelling.
Isn't the UK an independant sovereign country? Why do we have to beg for the 'right' to do what we want? How very nice of them to let us keep pints.
Anthony Lester, Brum,
Most people I know in our 30/40's are happy using feet/inches for heights & clothes, stone/pounds for weight, miles for distance whilst using mm/cm/metre for sports & small distances. Maybe those that crave EU standardisation and all things foreign should move there & stop trying to change us!!
simon, chelmsford, uk
If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it.
Clare Vokes, Harrogate, North Yorkshire
There used to be three countries in the world that were non-metric: Burma, Nigeria and United States. So now suddenly there will be four. It is apparently not just the Tailbans who are striving towards a medevial society!
Göran Granath, Uppsala, Sweden
I'm British, over 70 and along with most of my friends and neighbours abandoned the "imperial" system decades ago. As GB "inches" (how can you say that in metric) its way towards a unified metric system, I heave another sigh of relief - though I doubt that I shall still be alive by the time we've caught up with seventeenth century France.
Ian, Berwick, UK
Mark, London says:
"Our imperial mile is derived from the nautical mile which is exactly the same as one minute of latitude on the globe"
Actually an Imperial mile is about 14% shorter than a nautical mile and has never really been defined.
The nautical mile is NOT exactly the same as one minute of latitude on the globe, but only at the equator - because the Earth is not exactly spherical.
No great standardisation there I think.
Ian, Berwick, UK
In fact there is far more basis for using the mile than the completely arbitrary kilometre. Our imperial mile is derived from the nautical mile which is exactly the same as one minute of latitude on the globe. The kilometre is nothing other than a construct of one thousand metres.
MArk, London,
The UK and US pints are not even the same size! What utter nonsense in this age. How many yards in a mile? Nobody under the age of 50 can tell you the answer. Eventually the old guard will die off and the young ones who learned metric in school will legislate in favour of a common metric standard.
Stephen J. Brown, Cambridge, UK
"The mile will go on for ever" is a naïve perception. It's only a matter of time before the UK is forced to abandon imperial measurements. While products from the UK must show both metric and imperial measurements, mainland European products will show only the metric. Imperial will slowly die out.
Juliusz, Guildford, England
It always was a load of nonsense, and the EU did not practise what it preached.
Just look at the tyres on any European (or British) car and you will find wheel sizes in inches and tyre width in millimetres!
Garry
Birmingham
Garry Bean, Birmingham, UK
Way to be stuck in the 18th century Britain. Why would you possibly want a measurement system that makes sense? That would make life far too easy.
JB, Melbourne, Australia
Australia went metric without a fuss in the 1970s. New Zealand did the same. Adults just learnt metrics by use.
The inability of Britain and the United States to join the rest of the planet on this issue is another small but stark example of the insularity and rigidity of both nations.
Mark, Melbourne, Australia
The argument about imperial measures making trade with the US easier is a fallacious one, as the US's imperial (or, as they're ironically known, "English") measures are considerably different from Britain's.
Andrew, London, UK
Not quite a victory - Why should EU countries make big efforts to stop UK from voluntarily handicapping itself with medieval measurements. They are after all our business competitors
Geoff, redhill, Surrey
"Günter Verheugen, who called the metric movement a pointless battle against British culture."
Why is the EU trying to "battle" the cultures of its constituent countries? Where there is no fundamental need for harmonisation, let the countries be.
Tim, London,
This "agreement" was made in Strasbourg, I see the writer of the article is writing from Brussels. Do they all have to travel the miles and miles now to Brussels to confirm the "agreement"?. Wherever you come from on this, it's a joke! and its my money they're wasting.
alan, worcs, UK
More taxpayers money wasted on a nonsense. Pounds, Ounces, Miles all belong in a museum.
And to claim it makes it easier to trade with the States? Bah, what are we trading in these measures? The UK pint is not even the same as the US pint.
Bob Travels, Stevenage,
Stephen Brown's argument is fallacious. Using his logic, one could just as easily say that Europe should standardise by adopting the imperial system.
Why are europhiles so obsessed with eliminating traditional British weights and measuremenst? How does this anti-British nonsense help Europe?
Leslie, Glasgow,
Great! So tomorrow instead of buying 1Kg of grapes I'll buy 2 pounds of grapes. Yeap, makes life much easyer, as some say, is bliss.
Fabio C, London, UK
Glad to see the EU has such very important things to discuss at this time??????
Harv, Antigua,
Congratulations! We have preserved our right to be one of the only two countries in the world that thinks using measurements that nobody else understands is a good idea. We'll continue to have a half-imperial, half-metric mess, because nothing is more important than avoiding change. Well done.
Andrew Gallagher, Galway,
Bring back the shilling, the halfcrown, the threepenny bit, the sixpence and the farthing. The continentals would then be completely lost.
Barry McGarty, Thun, Switzerland
This Christmas I used my mother's recipe for Christmas Puddings. The ease with which I used ounces and pounds to multiply up or divide down the quanities I needed was bliss. I've been using metric, but decreasing or increasing quantities is always a problem.
Elizabeth Harvey, Dunstable,
Show me any Brit (of which I'm one) who can estimate how far in miles that remote church steeple is, or how many fluid ounces there are in that glass. You won't find many good estimates. The truth is, weights and measures are arbitrary and we should adopt the metric system and standardise.
Stephen J. Brown, Cambridge, UK
So the EU allows Britain to use the imperial system, Well thats very kind of them, to allow us some thing that has nothing to do with them.
John, Carlisle, Cumbria