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Any move by Turkish troops into Kurdish territory would be a declaration of war, the region’s leader said yesterday.
President Barzani gave the warning as a new wave of clashes inside Turkey left up to 20 Kurdish guerrillas dead. He said that Ankara was using its grievances with the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) as an excuse to challenge the growing prosperity and independence enjoyed by Iraqi Kurds in their largely autonomous region.
“If they invade or if there is any incursion, it means war,” Mr Barzani said at his offices on the outskirts of Arbil. “If they attack our people, our interests, our territories then there will be no limit because everything is subject to that incursion.”
He urged Turkey to solve the problem through dialogue, not guns. “If they take a peaceful approach, then we are ready to help as much as we can . . . The unfortunate thing is that they are not allowing other . . . options. They insist on war as being the only means to solve that problem.”
Turkish Army sources said that their troops had killed 20 Kurdish guerrillas yesterday in a large operation involving 8,000 soldiers with air support in the eastern province of Tunceli, 370 miles from the Iraqi border. Other reports put the toll at 15.
Adding to the tension, a suicide car bomber killed at least seven people in the northern Iraqi oil city of Kirkuk. The city is due to have a referendum on whether to become part of Kurdish-run northern Iraq, further boosting the Kurds’ power base.
Ankara feels threatened by Kurdish fighters, who use camps in Iraq’s mountainous Kurdish region for attacks on Turkey. It has demanded the extradition of PKK leaders – a request that Iraq says is unrealistic – and is threatening an incursion.
Mr Barzani said that the problem of the PKK, which began an armed campaign in 1984 to secure better rights for Kurdish people living in Turkey, could not be solved through violence.
“We are ready to cooperate with Turkey, provided that Turkey will not only go for a military solution,” he said, adding that he opposed the build-up of 150,000 Turkish troops.
He also hinted that Turkey had another reason for its tough stance on the PKK, which is not a new problem. “I am about to be convinced that the PKK is only an excuse,” he said. “The continuous, direct threats of Turkey against the Kurdistan region and its behaviour has created a doubt, leading us close to the conviction that exactly this is the aim. The Kurdistan region is the target, otherwise why should we be involved in the fight between Turkey and the PKK?”
A sharp rise in clashes between Turkish soldiers and the outlawed group in recent weeks has left scores dead, increasing pressure on Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Turkish Prime Minister, to take more action. The PKK says it is holding eight soldiers prisoner.
The United States, Iraq and other countries have been pressing Turkey to refrain from cross-border military operations. A military campaign could destabilise one of the few stable areas in Iraq and leave the United States in an awkward position with key allies: Turkey, a member of Nato, the Baghdad Government and the self-governing Iraqi Kurds in the north.
Mr Barzani said that talks with Washington and other allies centred on the desire to avoid conflict, although he acknowledged that the US-led coalition had the overall responsibility of protecting Iraq under a UN resolution. “To what extent they [the United States] will stay committed to that is the question, but we do not want to embarrass the Americans,” he said. “We are not asking them for military help, we are asking them to help so that we defuse the tensions so that the war will not take place.”
Mr Erdogan is due to meet President Bush on November 5 and Condoleezza Rice, the US Secretary of State, is expected in Ankara on Thursday for talks with Turkish officials.
Mr Barzani also expressed a strong desire to avoid a return to a period of Kurdish tensions with Turkey, Syria and Iran – countries where Kurds have settled – and emphasised the need to recognise the rights of millions of Kurds. “It is better for all of us to sit down together, reach an understanding. We are also a nation, we exist, we have a right to live,” he said.
The President urged the PKK to honour the ceasefire and to release the eight Turkish soldiers being held.
“They should stay away from violence. They should adopt a peaceful approach, a peaceful solution.”
Kirkuk bombings
February 17 Two car bombs kill 10 and injure 60
March 19 Car bombs kill 12 and injure 37
April 2 Suicide lorry bomb kills 12 and injures 150
July 16 Three suicide car bomb attacks kill 86 and injure up to 180
October 11 Seven civilians and two policemen killed when suicide car bomb targets a police convoy in a crowded street #
Source: Times Archives, Agencies
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Palestinians in Isreal , Albanians in Kosovo/Serbia,
Kurds in Turkey, Kurds in Iraq, Turkey Partitioning Cyprus.
What is the common factor?.........................................................
Answer: America using the NATO umbrella for Globalisation interest.
Kerry, London,
As to the first comment by Brian Wilson about Mexicans attacking America. They already are, in fact they are undertaking a full scale invasion, settlement, ethnic cleansing through crime of the United Sttes. They openly say America belongs to them and the gringo should get back to Europe. America does nothing because it just suits the capitalists to have cheap labour and stuff everyone else. Americas agenda is only ever for the benefit of the wealthy monority and never for "the People." Suckers that they are the yanks just go to church and sing and smile.
Keith Bentham, Wigan, Lancashire
If US police and soldiers were being attacked and killed by mexican based guerillas, would the USA still be urging restraint?
Brian Wilson, Cambridge, England
Some of the Non-Turkish/Kurdish Commentators on this site (Mainly from USA) are incredibly uninformed and pathetically ignorant of the historical, cultural, regional, economical, political, strategical, andLOGICAL FACTS. They seem to speak thruough many usuall assumptions, some guess-work and a lot of bias. Being from that side of the Ocean does not mean that you all are automaticaly right, quite the contrary. IRAQ being the main Case...
Tuncay Kara, Falkirk,
im a kurdish boy.yes we and the turks are living together from years now.the problem in turkey is they dont want to solve the problem.here in some comments they say there is no problem in turkey.if there is no problem then why the kurdish people instead of living in their homes like all people goes to mountains and fight and dies and kills.is all of these because of a 'NOTHİNG' yes there is probleMs but unfortunately just as they dont dare say 'there is problem' they also dont dare solve the problem.even a few years ago we couldnt speak our own languages freely...we dont want a lot of things.we just want peace,and learn and teach our language freely.we want the economical situation of the east of turkey be bettered.we dont want to see any more the corps of our brothers eveyday.(both of gerillas and of the soldiers of turkey military,because both of them are our brothers)
zeki, ankara,
Stop talking about lies. Kurdish people are always free in turkey. America say black and white people equal. So do they ever have a black president???? We had Kurdish president who is very loved by both Turks and Kurds. Where is the discrimination? My dad is Kurdish and his whole family. They could speak Kurdish before and now. Yes some of them arrested not because of being Kurdish. If you are against Turkish rule in turkey, if you insult Turkish ness you will get arrested. no matter being a Turk, Kurd, American or Greek. Turks and Kurds have lived together for more than 500 years. If Turkish people had pressure on them, they would not know even speaking that language. Be fair be honest American, British, French and other western news channels. Turks and Kurds are sisters, brothers, wives, husbands, daughters, sons and friends. Stop trying to divide turkey. This is a dream. Wake up!!!!
All western news says Turkey trying to find a solution for Kurdish problem by killing them. That is not true. I am 24 years old. I have Kurdish blood in my vines. I grew while watching PKK killing 30000 thousand Turks and Kurds. This is a big shame for you Europeans. You still call terrorists as rebels. Poor you. Time to wake up!!! Search how many Turks killed by PKK in last 20 years. Be honest!!! Wake up!!!
elif sekman, istanbul, turkey
PKK is not a political group...they are terrorist...and killed 30.000 turks in turkeys area.they try the photos of apo who is a baby killer and now in turkey prisons..someone should them say "stop"... usa , europa or TURKEY...it is so easy...they have weapon and still in turkeys area...
ORKAL CETINKAYA, izmir, TURKEY
I have a lot of kurdish friends who had the same education with me and have the same social rights as I have.There is no discrimination between them and us.They benefit from all citizens' rights as a Turk does.We hadn't had any problem untill outer forces provoked Kurds against Turkey .There is no excuse for killing thousands of innocent people.The world must know that no one can invade our land or demand a bit of our land.We will defend our land whoever attempts to attack to our country.Instead of trying to prevent Turkey to destroy the terrorists,the world must stop America that invaded Iraq because of itâs own benefits(petrol).If you support the terrorists and feed them,one day they will get you and point their guns to you.For example,Al-Qaeda!
Bahar, İzmir, Turkey
Mike A, Dijiwar Berwari...You should clearly understand that what Turkey targets the terrorist group called PKK, not a single Kurt in Turkey or Northern Iraq.. PKK is a terrorist group that does not have a ideology but ideology of violence .. And the terrorist group that did not and does not hesitate killing not only thousands of Turks but also the Kurds ( their people by their word ) who live in Turkey .. I am sure , you know pretty well about PKK..Now.. It has to be clearly understood and clearly saw that Turkey is responsible of security of even a single Turkish citizen , its Kurdish or Turk but CITIZEN .. The Kurds or Turks citizens who live in its land which called Turkish Republic..!
S. Bayram, Washington DC, U.S.
I have a lot of kurdish friends who had the same education with me and have the same social rights as I have.There is no discrimination between them and us.They benefit from all citizens' rights as a Turk does.We hadn't had any problem untill outer forces provoked Kurds against Turkey .There is no excuse for killing thousands of innocent people.The world must know that no one can invade our land or demand a bit of our land.We will defend our land whoever attempts to attack to our country.Instead of trying to prevent Turkey to destroy the terrorists,the world must stop America that invaded Iraq because of itâs own benefits(petrol).If you support the terrorists and feed them,one day they will get you and point their guns to you.For example,Al-Qaeda!
Bahar, İzmir, Turkey
Turkey must stop supressing ethnicities. This is the 21st century and the world will no longer buy Turkey continuing doing that. Twenty million Kurds in Turkey, mainly in eastern Anatolia is a country in itself.
Mike A., Califonria , USA
Kurdistan need to be prevented from Turkey ,because kurds are the sample of democracy in middle east. It is obviouse theat Turkey is not aiming pkk.but the escalation of economy and democracy in kurdistan. we all know if Turkey make this dissuasion and occupy Kurdistan he will make a biggest mistake in his history.
dijwar berwari, toronto, canada
Turks and Kurds are brothers who have been living in the country for mor than 10 centuries. There has been no discrimination between Turks and Kurds. But since PKK emerged it started causing disturbances by killing soldiers and innocent civillian people. PKK is a real terrorism organization recognised by many EU countries which is also responsible for the killings thousands of innocent civilians. Kurdish people enjoy every freedom as much as the other people in the country. They are very well represented in the parliament even there are ministers from Kurdish origine. So you western countries please let us live in peace and plese do not support PKK terrorism by providing shelter, financial aids and guns etc.
Yalcin B, Isparta, Turkey, Turkey
barzani allways say that turkey solve the problem through dialoguebut every day turkish people dieturkish soldier die kurds who lives in turkey die he knows how many people die for this time 30000 people die..furthermore thosand people lose their arm their leg and two of them and he say turke solve problem with dialogue we dont listen barzani because he is nothing he is only small tribe leader and we dont listen amerıca and european too all of them want to peace but your goverment came there and started to war in ıraq still what can you say peace kurds turks laz çerkez lives our country for peace and nobody be uncomfortable this our identity cads is said that you are a turk not you are kurds or laz or çerkez...so how happy is a man who says i am turk.goodevening.
enis , turkey istanbul, turkey istanbul
The kurds should have their own country as the Sevres Treaty has fully given their right and signed by all the parties including GB.Nothing else will not solve the problem which has been there ever since the First World War.
MihranK, London, UK
We salute Barzani the Kurdish leader. The fact is that the turks with the help of iranian regime want to destroy the Kurdish presence as they have been doing for decades.
The Kurds are the only real ally of the USA and of the UK in Middle East with Israel. Now, it is the turn of the western world in general, of the USA in particular to stop these barbaric turkish, persian regimes. The Kurds need protection, I think.
Sarah Olsson, Malmo, Sweden
I believe there is a real problem in the area. US did great by giving Kurdish autonomy in Iraq, but Turkish feel independent Kurdistan would threat them. Why Kurdish don't have the right to a piece of land? Are people that fight for it terrorists? Albanians also were fighting for a piece of land in former Yugoslavia but nobody was calling them terrorists.
Mika, Birmingham,
It will be better, if Turkey is careful not to intrude into Iraqi Kurdish area. Turkey should not underestimate the Kurds! It is better to solve the problems by dialogue than show of force, unless it is brute and savage.
China tried its adventure in Vietnam to be only badly humiliated. So Turkey better be careful!
Regards,
Krishna R. Kumar, Udupi, India
no war ,only peace ! I hope!
nick, shenzhen, china
-I have to say that I am really suprized and dissapointed the way that The times calling the PKK terorists. They are not rebels or gurellias, they are exactly the definitaion of what terorists are. They have killed 30.000 people in 30 years.
Anyway, if you want to call them rebels or whatever you want to call, please dont add Kurdish (Kurdish Rebels etc, ) in fronth of the word.Because this is a not reflecting the facts. PKK terorists may mainly be Kurds but they have nothing to do with Kurds in Turkey. 20% of Turkish citizens are from Kurdish background and the party that PKK supported only had 4% in elections.Therefore, majority of our Kurdish background citizens enjoy living in a uniter country and nothing to do with PKK terorists.If you still call PKK using KURDISH prefix we will really think that you want to get Kurds and Turks in Turkey to in civil war and you will be somehow responsible if any of my Kurdish backgorund citizen is harmed by someone who thinks he is PKK
T Mendez, toronto, Canada
The PKK has been using the inaccessible mountain range separating Iraq and Turkey to stage raids, kill Turkish soldiers and police, set mines and plant bombs in Turkish cities. In the past 20 years, the Kurdish separatist movement has claimed 30,000 lives. A five-year cease-fire after the arrest of its leader, Abdullah Ocalan, ended in 2004, and since then the group has escalated its attacks.
Two hundred soldiers and security personnel were killed this year, 30 in the past month alone. Dozens of Kurdish and non-Kurdish civilians also have died, some targeted by the PKK as suspected collaborators, others victims of bombings or crossfire. Last week a minibus near the scene of the fighting was caught in a landmine explosion, killing 10.
M, LOS ANGELES, ca