Tim Reid and Tom Baldwin
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The massacre began at 7.10am yesterday when a lone gunman entered a dormitory at Virginia Tech, the largest university in the state.
He killed two people, a man and a woman, on the fourth floor of the West Ambler Johnston Hall, one of the biggest halls of residence with sleeping quarters for 895 students. There was “mass chaos”, one undergraduate said — “lots of students running around, going crazy”.
At 7.15am the first emergency call was made. Police cars and ambulances rushed to the scene and armed teams fanned out around the hall, on the southwest side of the 2,600-acre campus, trying to find the gunman amid swirling snow.
Police and university authorities believed that the incident was “domestic” and was contained. They said later that there was reason to believe that the gunman had fled.
By this time around 14,000 students and staff were on their way to the campus. The university sent e-mails to all its members but decided against shutting the campus. Charles Steger, the president, said: “We concluded that once they got to the classroom, that was the best place to lock them down.”
The e-mail had few details. It read: “A shooting incident occurred at West Ambler Johnston earlier this morning. Police are on the scene and are investigating.” The message warned students to be cautious and contact police about anything suspicious.
Police were interviewing away from the scene a “person of interest” held after the first shooting. But at 9.40am gunfire began again. Shots came from Norris Hall, an engineering building filled with classrooms. Jamal Albarghouti, a student, filmed the scene with his mobile phone, images that were broadcast on CNN before the full scale of the massacre was known. Armed police look left and right, startled, as shot after shot can be heard in the distance. The shooting went on for at least 40 seconds.
Initial reports put the death toll at one. Then Wendell Flinchum, Virginia Tech’s police chief, brought gasps at a 12.45pm news conference when he announced that at least 21 people had been killed.
Matt Maroney, a student, told Sky News that 43 people had been shot, adding that students had thrown desks at a door and a teacher had been shot in the arm. The gunman, he said, “had an ungodly amount of ammo on him. He was just dressed in a vest filled with clips and started firing away at classrooms”.
Some students broke limbs leaping from second-floor windows to escape. Police arriving at the scene of the second shooting found the doors barricaded from inside with chains. They broke through and followed gunshots to the second floor, but the killer, firing at least two 9mm semi-automatic pistols, died after shooting himself in the face.
Steven Ratley, 21, an architecture student, witnessed the denouement of the massacre as a group of armed police ran past him a little after at 9.45am close to Norris Hall. “I walked outside to get a cup of coffee and was told to get down on the ground by a number of police officers,” he told The Times. “They looked like they were chasing someone. A couple of seconds later I heard two gunshots fired. It’s crazy here right now. The hospitals are all full, there are ambulances, police cars and fire rescue trucks everywhere.”
The university has 26,000 students, many from Asia. Aimee Kanode, a first-year student, said that the first round of shooting occurred one floor above her room in West Ambler Johnston Hall. Her “resident assistant” knocked on her door at about 8am to tell the students not to leave their dormitory. “They had us under lockdown. They temporarily lifted the lockdown, the gunman shot again,” she said.
The first victim to be named was the man who died in West Ambler Johnston Hall. Ryan Clark was an officer in the university’s marching band, and was due to graduate this year.
There were suggestions last night that the gunman was a disgruntled boyfriend who wanted revenge on a man he thought was having an affair with his girlfriend.
Tricia Sangalang was in class when her professor heard about the shootings. She said: “There’s a lot of speculation that it is a student, I believe in his 20s, an Asian male student. That’s unconfirmed.
“Some people have said he was going after the guy his girlfriend was cheating on him with but that’s unconfirmed.”
Death in class
August 1, 1966 University of Texas, Austin; 31 killed
January 29, 1979 Cleveland Elementary School, San Diego; two men killed, eight children wounded
March 24, 1998 Westside Middle School, Jonesboro, Arkansas; five killed
April 20, 1999 Columbine High School; 13 killed
March 21, 2005 Red Lake High School, Minnesota; ten killed
Source: Times database
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How come Britain's much stricter gun laws didn't help stop Thomas Hamilton from massacring 16 children and a teacher in Scotland in 1996? Not just ANYBODY can carry a gun here, there are certain protocols in place in order to purchase a gun, and it is much stricter to actually be able to CARRY one. Most mass murderers have not been known to legally purchase weapons and abide by all gun control laws. Obviously. And Virginia Tech had a "no guns on campus policy," but that didn't stop Cho Seung-hui from carring guns! Yes, eliminating guns is the ONLY answer, but if that happens, then only the criminals will have guns!
Charlie, Deltona, FL, USA
"guns don't kill people, people kill people" "the students should have had guns to defend themselves"
I wonder if US citizens have any idea how insane statements like that sound to non-US citizens ...
starling, Lancaster,
Doesn't everyone believe the so called Second Ammendment should be checked. As far as I am concern it an outdated issue. It was created in a time and age that perhaps guns were needed more thant they are now, I suppose.
I don't think leaving it up to the "responsible" people will do any good, either. The proof is this person had access to weapons, I guess is too late now to say he wasn't "responsible" or who will not be in a near future.
There has to be a more strict gun control, period. I'm sure the NRA will never allow a gun control to take place.
Arturo, Boulder, Colorado
I think the American society is making lots of mistakes, and it's about time they realized that. Their laws concerning weapons and permissions should be thoroughly revised, I cannot believe that practically anyone can carry a gun around. This same situation - students shot by a youngster - has been repeated too many times for a country not to understand that instead of waging war against other countries, they should be paying attention to their own children and teenagers. Violence happens everywhere, that's a fact, but what can the world think when these unecessary violence is happening too often in one single country? It's awful to see that a community decides to do something about a problem just after that problem is out of control.
Lupita, Edinburgh, Scotland
Gun control..schmun control. Where there's money, there's corruption. Where's there's money AND corruption, there's guns. People can get anything they want these days if they really want it. Just because you put laws in place doesn't mean they will be adhered to. I am thankful for the American population that people are reacting so heavily to this incident. Perhaps we can extend some of that moral willing to Iraq or Somalia. You'll find a few slightly-more morbid accounts there to express shock-shock-horror-horror.
Oh sorry, have I been mistaken?
Victoria, London,
my deepest condolences to all the victims and relatives of victims that were killed or harmed during a act that simply makes me sick and ashamed to be part of the same race. but what i really dont understand is how this young man that attended such a high society university managed to conceal this vest of ammunition and supply of amourey in the university unddetected... how is it possible that he was able to purchase or gain posessions of such arms without any questions asked...its something that makes me ore angry than the inncodent its self. since 1966 79 people have been killed in similar inncodents not including this recent tragedy and each event un forseen by those that are supposed to be taking care of americas citizens. and how is it possible that these mallicious acts of hatred and crime have continued with no evidential actions from the laws we fight so hard to put into action... A lesson is to be learned hear i just dont know how long it will be till someone does.
kelly, Madrid, spain
Gun control laws already exisit in America. These laws do nothing but keep lawful citizens unprotected. In a perfect world no one would need a gun, but this is not a perfect world. Americans have the right to protect themselves and others, and bringing a knife to a gunfight just doesn't cut it. If I recall correctly, the UK is having a terrible time with knife violence. People kill people. Yes, the scale of carnage can be much worse with guns than with knives, but who says he couldn't have planted bombs and explosives. They can be made with things found around the house, so maybe we should ban all things that can make bombs, like household cleaners. As cliche as it is, guns don't kill people, people kill people, and to totally eliminate murder, one must eliminate human interaction.
Jeff, Columbus, Ohio
"Guns don't kill people, people kill people."
Simple solution: make guns legal, make people illegal.
starling, Lancaster,
"Guns don't kill people, people kill people."
People kill people with guns, indeed. And if those people couldn't get hold of those guns, they'd kill with knives instead. And unless they were circus artists, had lots of knives, and were very good at throwing them, they'd be very unlikely to kill 32 people in one go.
starling, Lancaster,
it seems most of the americans here today would prefer some sort of vigilante state where only the 'sensible' people should have guns so they can shoot all those nasty criminals. So i guess you would like to make sure only sensible people could have the wepons to enforce the law, maybe by some sort of training, perhaps they could even wear a little badge or somthing. maybe you could call them police men!! you people are crazy! 32 of your kids have just died and you calling for more guns on the street! good luck with that!
Gareth, oxford,
You reap what you sow? Could you be any more insensitive?
Danielle, Austin, Texas
There have been several other school shootings in recent years in the U.S. that aren't listed above. Two specific indicents I can think of -- one in Kentucky and one in Mississippi.
Suzanne DeBow, Atlanta, GA, USA
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.....
With tragic efficiency using guns it would appear.
I feel for you living in a society where the majority of posters here would feel vulnerable not owning a gun, and have gun ownership deeply ingrained in your psyche... but quick searches on the above massacres show that the weapons used were taken from relatives who had bought them legally, or bought legally by friends.
I'm no expert on the U.S. gun laws, but it seems to me that availability is a huge issue.
It will be interesting to see whether this weapon was bought from a 'drug crazed criminal' or from a legal gun store, and to consider whether what is being reported as a crime of passion at the time of writing this would have occurred if guns weren't so easy to obtain.
Anthony, Greenwich, London
Whilst it's true that the killings were the fault of the man and not the gun, there is a problem with gun crime in the US that would be very much reduced if the guns weren't so easily available. If as has been suggested, the man did it because he thought his girlfriend was cheating on him, he probably did it in the spur of the moment and as a gun was so easily accessible that meant far more destruction than say, a knife, where it would have been far easier for a group to overpower him and killing so many would have been far more difficult.
I think the incident is very sad, but it's not the first time that such a incident has happened and the answer is not to promote more 'law-abiding' citizens to carry guns. What happens when those very 'law-abiding' citizens hit hard times or through circumstances, one day just snap and decide to take it out on others around them - well they have the gun there to 'protect themselves'...
Deborah, London,
'Gun control? Guns don't kill people, people kill people.'
David, long beach, ca
your average crazy young person in england can't easily get hold of a gun and lots of ammunition. the same damage just can't be done with say a knife.
melanie laporte, london,
Was it me, or did someone in that list of "cold dead hands" lunatics suggest arming TEACHERS??? That should bring some discipline back to the classrooms. Starting with small handguns in kindergarten, maybe, and working up to something with a bit more oomph as they hit puberty.
Chris Quirke, Epernon, France
"guns don't kill people, people kill people" well people use guns to kill. You wouldn't let people carry a bomb around so why should people be allowed to carry guns. When will they learn ? It's so obvious.
wui, andover, uk
America, you reap what you sow
tom, London, UK
in response to Tim s.of Pa.sorry ,hope your uncle's o.k. but more gun laws are not what we need,we need more responsable armed citizens and less unarmed peasants screaming for someone to protect them!even rosie o'donall bought a gun for her bodyguard(right after attacking tom sellick for being pro-gun). if it wern't for all the self serving hypocrites in the media(like rosie) and politics(read:"useful idiots") in the democratic party common sense might prevail and a more effective war on drugs might help cut down on crimes like this.i'll bet you a doller to a doughnut the perp was in an altered state! while the idea of guns in occupied enviroments by even the best of marksmen should be avoided, the carrying of tasers and other non-lethals by anyone for defense should be a non issue.one who gives up liberty to gain safety deserves neither.
b.t.williams, merritt island, fl
People commit crimes, not inanimate objects. People who commit crimes also violate the law. The person who committed this crime violated multiple laws. Possession of a firearm on a campus is against the law. If firearms were against the law as well, he would have committed only one additional crime. I don't think this person cared about violating our laws.
However, IF any of the students or faculty were permitted to carry a firearm for lawful self defense on this campus, as guaranteed by our second amendment, the criminal would have been neutralized and may have been the only fatality. Unfortunately, the socialists in charge of the USSA (United Socialist States of America) have turned our constitution into a museum decoration.
Ken B, Trenton, New Jersey
Gun control? Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
David, long beach, ca
Its a sad moment, my heart goes out to these people, the surviving witnesses and to the loved ones of those affected by this tragety! To blame guns is incredibly limited thinking. I wish there were no guns, but I wish there were no crimes as well. I know that crime is a reality and I don't want to live in a state where just the authoritarians are allowed to bear arms. Nothing has changes since the days of out forefathers in that regard. Someone mentally loosing control as this killer did will find a means to involke his twisted thinking onto society in an attempt to hurt back because he is hurting. If its not with a gun it will be with a car, a bomb, a stick, or any of an infinite number of means to his end. We see more of this today because there are more of us. It won't go away even if our right to have a gun does.
JG Patricio, Spokane, WA
No one complains about the strict gun laws here. Australia tightened up their gun laws after the Port Arthur Massacre in 1996 (some wacko killed 35 people with a semi-automatic rifle) and the Australian public never looked back! Jump on board and watch the death toll drop significantly. Your constitutional rights give you the freedom to choose - Make the right choice people!
James Bell, MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA
Since students don't have a lobby they won't be heard by Congress. The NRA will see to it that guns are always as easily obtainable as they are today.
Elaine Luecke, Austin, TX
Gun laws won't stop these kind of people from getting hold of dangerous weapons. However, if all of those student victims were armed, they wouldn't have been victims. The gunman never would have gotten away with more than one killing.
John Derby, Austin, TX
If we look back in our own history we did not have these ruthless, bloody massacres when people were not taught we are nothing but animals. The problem is not the lack of gun control, but the lack of self control, and the lack of being taught morality, and ethics. So instead of making laws that only affect the law abiding people, teach the principles of "Thou shalt not kill," and "Love thy neighbor as thyself." My prayers go out to the families, and the victims. I hope that people will someday realize that guns are not the problem, the real problem is in the heart and mind of the killer.
J. Roten, Texas,
If there wasn't a federal gun ban on college campuses, then the students and staff could have had guns and fought back!! Taking away the right to bear arms is not the answer! Taking away the right to bear arms leaves criminals with guns and law-abiding citizens defenseless, not to mention the fact it is often a precursor to tyranny (Stalin, Hitler, Mao Tse-tung, etc. all banned guns). Who people should really be mad at are the cowardly police officers who cowered behind their patrol car doors, in fear for their own safety (although equipped with guns and bulletproof vests) while a killer roamed loose inside the building and the idiotic university staff who did not immediately start using the loudspeakers to warn students there was a killer on the loose!
Daniel, Indianapolis,
it could happen anywhere. guns dont kill people. people kill people.
Tom, los angeles,
The world is going nuts.............with sickos like this young
asian man who's senseless act has brought heartbreak
to numerous parents,relatives,friends forever. They (the
victims) are out of their pain.......the deep neverending
pain has just begun for their families and friends, asking
"why?"
God be with them and give them the strength to endure
the gutwrenching horror that they must now be faced with
in burying their loved ones, senselessly murdered and
taken from them too soon.
G.Hetland, Menifee, CA
My profound and deapest sympathy to the parents and victims of this horrific tragidy. May god enlighten you and give you the strength to go on to better times. Please let someone step forward and put an end to these disaster-ous events as they have occured too often and must be stopped now as they are getting worse. There has to be a way??????????? It could happen anywhere. Why can't local voluntary retired seniors or unemployed give to the community and create a safty net by searching all persons for weapons in public areas. Stop the crime before it happens or minimize the damage. For those of you whom think that video servaillance is good bonkers to you. We don't need more spies but real time protection. Metal detectors exist and isolation chambers pending clearance.
Jean-Louis Hamon, Montreal, Canada
The lack of gun laws in this country is one of our major downfalls. School shootings have happend in other countries & they act on it with lasw to protect the citizens. In this country our president gives a press conference for several minutes saying how he & his admin are PRAYING. Are you kidding me- do something- change the laws to protect the people but the President of the U.S.A. praying just does not seem to be cutting the mustard in 2007 & I for one am sick of hearing that pathetic line. Where is our goverment that is for the people? That is what me & all of us should be demanding answers to, or this will repeat itself again & again.
Tara, Chicago, IL
This is a horrible tragedy. My prayers go out to all the students of Virginia Tech. I pray the Lord will ease the pain of the victims' friends and family through this horrible time. May he see those 21 victims safely into his heavenly embrace.
Why can't people extend their sympathies and concerns without inflicting their political causes on others during crises such as these? Why does an event like this always bring out people who think we need another law? It's already illegal to kill people and it's illegal to own an unlicensed concealed weapon (which a 9mm is). How about treating people like adults and empowering them to defend themselves? Virginia Tech very likely has laws prohibiting weapons on campus - but they didn't stop this criminal.
Our government was founded on the principle that a nation of citizens empowered to speak their minds, make their own decisions, and to protect themselves was the best way to ensure the populations safety and domestic tranquility.
Eric Y, Austin, TX
People, with the little amount of information on this topic STOP BLAMING THE GUN LAWS! And what laws would help this, a ban on school shootings? My question is, were there laws baning the carrying of firearms in that school? I mean if someone is going to shoot up a building, I don't think they would care much for a law like that. All that happens with these laws is that they keep people from defending themselves. Nevertheless, this is a tragic event, one that should never be repeated.
Grant, Woodinville, WA
All you people touting "we need more gun laws!" don't know what you're talking about. Perhaps if the gun laws on the books were actually enforced and were still ineffective I'd agree with you--but they're not.
Also, who wants to be with me that this guy got the guns illegally? Come on now! Don't be shy! Oh wait, that's right--if he got them illegally it crushes your crusade against gun ownership.
Incidentally, if any of the students in the room were armed, how do you think it'd have played out? Differently, I'm sure.
Joe, Buffalo, NY
Excuse me, but it's already illegal for civilians to possess the type of weapon used in the West Virginia massacre; murder is also ilegal. Unfortunately, it's also illegal for people on school property to have the means to defend themselves when someone disregards the law and shoots up a school. In the past few years, two school massacres and one would-be restaurant massacre were stopped when teachers or a restaurant customer produced a firearm.
Wild West mentality? I hope so. The old West was wild only in comparison to the East of that day. With few exceptions, the crime rates in towns of the old West--including Dodge City--were lower than they are today.
I now live in Taiwan, a gun control zealot's paradise. It's also a gangster's paradise, like the U.S. during the Roaring Twenties. (Statistically, the homicide rate is lower than in the U.S. but only because U.S. figures include vehicular homicide and Taiwan's doesn't.) Disarming honest citizens promotes violent crime.
Jerry Mills, Taipei, Taiwan
it saddens me that our young people have no respect for life. I live in Cincinnati where there are murders every day! I am of the firm belief that Women going out to work and credit cards were the downfall of our country. Other people are raising our children and no one can wait to have material things until they can afford them. We the baby boomers of this great country have not done a very good job of teaching our children what is truely the important things in life. Kids are now raised by TV and video games, what ever happened to good old days when you could walk anywhere and feel safe, play outside and not be afraid that someone wil hurt you. What happened to God,family, responsibility and respect for others? We all need to take a good look at ourselves and reevaluate what truely is important. Life is way too short and today was a perfect example of that, so many lives ended for such a pathetic reason.
Sharon Grawe, Cincinnati, Ohio
More gun laws are definitely NOT the answer. Gun laws prevent law-abiding citizens from owning guns. They don't prevent criminals from owning guns.
I am terribly saddened by this tragedy but I hate to hear people taking advantage of this tragedy to blame guns. Doesn't anyone believe in personal responsibility anymore? The day we ignore the 2nd Amendment and take away everyone's guns is the day we authorize our government to waltz in and take over our lives with no protection from tyrannical rule. I rue the day that ever happens.
My prayers are with each and every one of the families of the shooter and his unfortunate victims. May God comfort them in this time of need.
Reed Hanson, Dallas, TX, USA
A tragedy. People need to take more responsibility for their actions. More laws will never make a difference. Instead, friends and family need to spend less time on their computers and cell phones, and more time together. Close knit groups help, in many ways. When a person wants to do something like this, they'll find a way. Make it less common by connecting more with people...
Lenny, Andover, MA
I wish people would stop blaming guns for all criminal acts. If we ban guns, shouldn't we also ban knives and hammers and axes and matches and cars and every other ogject that kills. Hello, it is people who are killing other people and it is kids who kill other kids. It is parents who fail to teach their kids right from wrong. It is parents who do not spend enought time with their kids to notice distrurbing signs. It is the teachers and the friends of kids crying for help, on deaf ears. I pity our society, this is what it has come down to
Bernie, Webster, NY, USA
Think about it: if everyone on that campus had a gun, that lunatic would have been dead before he shot the 2nd or 3rd person. Lunatics will ALWAYS be able to get their hands on guns. Guns are an equalizer. When everyone is disarmed, this lunatic can have his way with everyone on campus. Stop being sheep with your "we need more laws" mantra. -- what we need is an attitude adjustment. But that's a whole other story.
As they say: "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." and I don't plan on being at their mercy.
A Wise Old Woman, Linden, USA / New Jersey
Precious young lives are wasted, what a shame. My personal belief is that too much emphasize is given on solving issues by means of violence and force. Americans are soaked in a culture of violence. Make love no War. Amen!!
tenzing Agya, Darjeeling, India
Consider the fact that much fewer would have died today had somebody else been armed.
2nd. Amendment afforded to us.
Look it up sometime.
John, Chicago,
Call upon the government to protect me? What about having the right to protect myself?
Paul, Mesa, AZ
People who claim that gun control would have prevented this tragedy need to realize that there are already laws in this country preventing guns on campuses, there are laws preventing murder. Just because there is a law does not mean that someone will not break that law. If you're willing to murder innocent people, you probably would be willing to illegally obtain a gun.
Greg, Wake Forest, NC
As a liberal, I want to remind my peers that no research suggests that legal gun ownership correlates to any increase in violence. Let's focus on deep societal problems, such as those explored in Bowling for Columbine, and not blame technology (possibly purchased illegally anyway) for the actions of a clearly sick human being. Eye on the ball, fellow critical thinkers.
Daniel J. Bell, New York, New York, USA
No gun control is needed!
Teachers need to bear arms and protect the students.
by the time law enforcements get there it is to late...
If you take away guns from lawful citizens...
what makes you think that the next person wont make a bomb.... or cyanide gas.... or poison the water or food?
if someone is determined enough to do something bad
they will find a way to do it!
This is just another unfortunate event that happens in every day life in this world as we know it!
julie, chicago, il
Many Lives could have been saved today if the gun laws did not take away the right for people to keep and bear arms.
Steve Goettler, Butler, PA
Right to bear arms is one of the protections against abuse of higher powers, which have historically killed millions of their own subjects where such a right didn't exist. It is also a check on a military. It's nothing to do with deer.
Greg Lorriman, London, UK
I graduated from Tech in 1995. I'm saddened to see such a tragic event happen yet again in these United States of America. No one can truly say how they'd act in such a situation unless they've been in a such situation themselves. I hope that individuals wake up and understand that just because someone makes you mad or upset that it is no reason to go out and shoot up the world. We're going to have to have better gun control. With the ability of individuals to get guns illegally, I'm not sure if and when this will ever end.
phillyslickster, philadelphia, usa
When will the meek understand that gun control won't fix the criminal problem. When was the last time a criminal actually wanted to legally purchase a weapon? It doesn't happen often because its easier to get one that's not traceable on the street. Banning the sale of firearms does NOT eliminate the willingness of the criminals to want guns. And if they want them, they'll get them just as they always have...on the street. I for one am glad to own a legally registered weapon and I will use it to defend myself against a criminal if I have to. That is my right. Take that right away, and I will become just like the meek, another victim who couldn't or wouldn't stand up to defend themselves against the criminals. Why? Because the criminals will just keep shooting regardless of the laws. Let me keep the right to stop them if they come after me. After all, I could end up defending you as well. Take that right away, and your on your own. Sweet dreams meek ones.
Michael Bolyard, Groton , CT
Mexico has very strict gun laws (ten years hard time for even owning a single, unlicensed *bullet*)...and yet...bam bam bam...The police here commonly carry fully automatic rifles...as do bank guards, security personnel, soldiers...and yet it's mostly the *criminals* who shoot and get shot by fellow criminals...Someone offered to sell me a S&W .357 mag a few months ago...Yup, more laws certainly will settle the problem. Just liked it "solved" alcohol production during Prohibition, and have ridded the U.S. of cocaine and heroin.
Eduardo Molinilla, Cuernavaca, Morelos, MX
It is a grave tradegy, however, the painful truth is that the soloution lies only with the individual. Unfortunately there is nothing we can do to prevent these events without being stripped of all our freedoms. I don't mean just the right to bear arms. We have to consider what drives a person to a point where killing their peers seems like an answer. Is it television, rage, upbringing, or sheer insanity. It is virtualy impossible to encapsle all the elements that may play a part in the deterioration of a youth. The fact of the matter is, we (as a whole) do not care about each other anymore. We need to bring back the love. Embrace your neighbor, and educate your children.
Dominic , Atlanta, Ga
There are laws against going and randomly shooting at people but you don't see that stopping anyone. What are stricter gun laws going to do.? Im pretty sure guns are not one of the things in short supply now a days in this country and others. Stricter gun laws will just put more cash in criminals pockets who are trafficking guns.
Eric B, Naperville, IL
Untill we amend the US Constitution thier is no legal way to Change this . especially since a recent federal Court rulling reafirmed the individual right to keep and bear arms this will eventually strike down most state laws in this regaurd . as states clearly most abide by federal law . its up to Congress and the President . To find common ground on this issue. But lately there has not been muc h of that in Washington. In my Home state Massachusetts We have tightest constitutionally questionable gun laws of any state Yes even stricter Than New Jersey. since that law was passed murder accidental death armed crime has increased 100+ % Boston is in the grip highest murder rate in its History Firearms are here to stay violence in our country is the issue just looking at gun control will not change the situation. In Massacusetts gun control has been an utter failure It only infrnged on the Constitutional rights of its people .
C OConnell, Holyoke, Massachusetts
Jamal Albarghouti said on CNN on Wolf's show tonight that there had been 2 bomb scares last week at VA Tech. I can't find anything on the web about it. Can that be confirmed?
Sarah Vigilant, Dawsonville,
I don't think that this has much to do with gun control or that, because the guy would've gotten a gun anyway. I think that it's more about teaching everyone about the safety of guns. Killings such as these are not because of lax gun control, but more because our society does not know how to express itself in a reasonable manner, and sometimes people decide to use extreme forms of violence to settle disputes. Because the details of why this event in Virginia happened have not been confirmed, I do not know exactly why this man did this. But I think that we need to stop denying that we don't have a problem and that it's the guns that are the problem.
Rye, Palo Alto, California
I'm afraid that the solution is either to have no modern guns or to have every single person have one... That way either they aren't available to start crimes or the shooters will be terminated before they can get more than a shot or two off...
1, 1, 1
You will never be protected from a crazy man with a gun. Get used to that idea.
The government cant help you. In fact, if the students had guns , they could have shot him first.
Gun control is not going to help you.
Jim Davis, Brooklyn, New York
I guess that is why over the last 10 years, countries with very strict gun control, such as the netherlands, sweden, canada, germany..... have had school shootings. It must be the gun control! Oh wait....
David, Baton Rouge, LA
After we ban guns, maybe we can ban crystal meth too. That should get all the bad stuff off the street.
Wait ... what if the crazies set fire to buildings? We need to ban matches too!
Why not just ban freedom? If we put everyone in a straight-jacket, there will be no more crime.
George Roman, Rockville, MD
I don't understand how the American Government hasn't even really acknowledged how severe and common these school shootings are becoming. By now they should understand that it's not difficult to walk into a school with a loaded weapon. I mainly place blame on President Bush for allowing such limited gun laws to be placed. Communities around school grounds should be able to feel the safest, and shouldn't have to be worried about a rogue bullet coming through their window from a school shooting.
Michael Sousa, Burnaby, BC, Canada
America has to, at some point, take a look at other "Civilized countries" who have limited use of firearms , strict gun control, and less murder with guns. "When will the welfare and well-being of our country's children, be more important than the need to shoot deer." The National Rifle Association and other proponents of no gun control, should have to talk to each parent that lost a child today.
B. Washington, Visalia, USA
I am a student at the University of Colorado at Boulder, and I have to say that this occurence has shaken me to the core. I can't get over how sad it is that people in my generation are being pushed so far as to commit mass murder and suicide. I attended high school in a town not far from the Columbine tragedy and I can't help but be reminded of that horrible day with the occurences that happened today. I just hope that young people all over this country do their best to say no to hate and make life as easy for each other as possible.
Kerry, Boulder, CO
Right to bear arms? The U.S.A. will learn one day that if you live by the sword you ........... (BTW I don't think jumping out of the window in these circumstances is "crazy")
Colin, Cebu, Philippines
This is ridiculous, all these shootings are just a product of the lack of gun law and gun gun control in the U.S.. This affects so many people across the U.S.; I live in Pennsylvania and am affected but this shooting because my uncle got shot at this shooting. The government needs to step in and create laws that stop this mindless, senseless, shooting that happens on a regular basis in America. It's times like these that the people of America should call upon their government to protect them!
Timothy Slagle, GREENSBURG, PA
I have just returned from the USA. I am a British woman 76 years old. The only people I was able to speak to were african/africans and latinos. The impression I received from the average American was that they were too important to chat to an elderly woman who was in fact a little lost in a strange environment. And that they the Americans were very important and special people with no time to even give a "good morning". Where did the "bring me your poor and oppressed" feeling go. There seems to be a lot of hate in your land. What happened.
jean lyra, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Please do not overlook the senseless killings that took place outside of Portland, Oregon back in the late 1990's. These tradegies are not isolated to a specific demographical region, nor do they discrimminate.
Ironically we are a victim of our own luxeries. Right to bear arms, along with swift and in depth coverage of such tragic events. It is nice to see such prompt and immediate coverage, but when does it become too much and too quick? I mean, this was ridiculous. Who knows how many parents and relatives were sitting down for there coffee, when they see the shot on the news of some kid filming the chaotic scene from his cel phone. You can hear the deadly gun shots, and parents have no idea where there kids are. I think media competition in covering such tragedies can be awfully disrespectful, without knowing the end result.
Spencer, Bellevue, Washington
that was pretty ruff about the chick said "I don't like Mondays"
reggie fleming, mononn, in
incident supports right to carry and demonstrates the ineffectiveness of designated "gun free" zones and impotence of law enforcement in dealing with this situation
laws will not ever prevent people like the one that committed this senseless act from getting weapons
I lost friends in the 1966 Whitman shootings. By many accounts nothing about Whitman would have presented a warning of his crime before the incident.
Frank, Austin , Tx
How can this Country continue to not help the menally ill here in this country, leave families hurting and not have healthcare for all citizens? How long can we continue to be blind to the needs of our own people here at home instead of spending billions to ruin other countries. Bull &$*#&$ is all I feel when I here that stupid comment Prez Bush says "We need to git um there instead of fighting them here" we need to fight mental illness and poverty and strife here at home first. Maybe the nutbag that did this to innocent kids would have been cared for and medicated to not do this terrible act!
We need to stand up and tell Washington that we normal thinking folks, that work hard for what little we earn and try to take care of our own needs without any help, we want to be heard as knowlegable folks that know that there were other reasons "They" took us into a war and we are not happy about it!
GET OUT OF IRAQ, and WAR and start taking care of us here in USA and then we can be strong
Ky, New Lenox, IL
Time for strict gun control in a country mad about weapons. Oh but wait - guns don't kill people, people kill people. Tell that to 31 familes.
Mike, Nashville, Tennessee