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Race, fashion and freedom of expression have collided in Atlanta this week over the vexed issue of baggy trousers.
A black councilman wants to ban the "low-rider" style — a figment of hip-hop culture — because it often exposes a man's underwear or a woman's thong, but has come up against a blast of opposition from civil rights groups and ordinary, fashion-free Americans.
Councilman C T Martin described the popular phenomenon of drooping jeans as an “epidemic” that is becoming a “major concern” across the United States. His proposal for a ban follows similar measures in a series of small towns in Louisiana.
Announcing his proposed amendment to the city's indecency laws, Mr Martin said of the fallen waistline, most prevalent among young black men and women: “Little children see it and want to adopt it, thinking it's the 'in thing'. I don't want young people thinking that half-dressing is the way to go. I want them to think about their future.”
Mr Martin's plan, for which he hopes to gain support in a series of public meetings at community groups and churches, will receive its first official hearing next Tuesday at a meeting of the city's public safety committee.
There, Mr Martin will recommend that “the indecent exposure of his or her undergarments” should be illegal in a public place, in the same way as sex and the exposure or fondling of genitals. It would be punishable by a fine.
But Mr Martin, a college recruitment consultant, has already ensured himself a wave of opposition by acknowledging the racial sensitivity of his proposal. “It will be like all the discussions we’ve had around the value of the hip-hop culture," he said. "We know there are First Amendment issues... and some will say I’m just trying to put young black men in jail, but it’s going to be fines.”
Debbie Seagraves, head of the local branch of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), said the proposal was, by its nature, discriminatory because it aimed to forbid something that has its roots in black culture.
“This is a racial profiling bill that promotes and establishes a framework for an additional type of racial profiling,” she told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. Ms Seagraves said the proposal was also overly broad, and would outlaw the thongs visible under trousers, jogging bras or stray straps here and there.
Mr Martin's idea, quickly dubbed the "bad jeans law" on American television bulletins last night, follows a string of similar ordinances in Louisiana, where the town of Delcambre now punishes glimpses of underwear with fines of up to $500 or six months in prison.
It is thought to have little chance of success in Atlanta, a city of 4 million people, where the reaction to the proposal has been, at best, mixed. In comments posted on the website of The Atlanta Journal-Constitution readers described the ban as "like banning stupidity".
"The fact that Atlanta has to pass a law against this simply telegraphs to the country that its a city that continues to devolve rather than evolve. Panhandling and saggy pants, the Atlanta tourist experience," posted one reader calling themselves "Shirley U Jest".
There was support for the proposal, but some of it not entirely wholesome. "Personally, I believe any woman who has a bra strap exposed should be arrested, fined, and jailed if unable to pay the fine in five business days," wrote another reader, "Dave". "This will encourage free boobing, which is tres cool from my point of view. Just an observation..."
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As an Argentinian living in the US, I gotta say, I'm finding many ridiculous things going on around this country, and this has just stepped into the top 5. Like here in Ohio, I'm living in a College in a really small town, and the village decided we're not allowed to have a flag of our country or a sign outside our porch with the Argentinian, French, German or Spanish colors...... Come on!!, it's about common sense!, how can a country so rich and that has held so many bright minds can get to this point? where did this start? and when is it ending!?
rb, ohio, ohio
I am from Argentina and think that this ban is a stupidy thing! People can wear whatever they want. They are free! not prisoners...
Clara, Corrientes, Argentina
these politicians should have much more to worry about than how many pants lie on my waistline.
come on people
Andy, Berkeley, USA
I didn't know we were living in Iran. I thought you could wear whatever the hell you wanted to wear in this country. I guess that's true only if you're not black. I vow NEVER to abide by this law if it passes!!
NWA, Hotlanta, USA
haven't we got other things we should be fixing first, before tackling such heinous crimes as wearing your pants slung low?
how about trying to sort out how our society can be messed up to the stage where 11yr old children get shot in broad daylight.
or is that too damn difficult? don't bother, i know the answer
sean, liverpool,
About time. I wish they would bring that to DC. As a mother to a young black man that type of dressing is banned in my house and he knows if I catch him there will be consequences. What happened to pride in the way we look. I am so sick and tired of these people like Debbie Seagraves always trying to use race as a crutch. Caucasians have also adopted this form of dressing and it is digusting. So Ms Seagraves or whoever you are "SHUT UP"! It's about time!
Theresa , Washington, District of Columbia
I believe that it should be banned at schools in Atlanta. Boys and girls should have some pride in the way they dress because this will translate over into their inability to get a job because they are accustomed to dressing with their clothes too big. Furthermore, we as adults should be training our children how to dress for success and not to go with how the rest of society is dressing. For too long we as blacks have been the trendsetters in this world and we should not take this time to begin to go backwards and look like "bums" on the streets, schools and throughout this country. It is time for adults, rappers and african american leaders to stand up and say "no more" to fads that bring us backwards as a people.
david , mableton, ga
I think this is a great idea. First of all, it is not "Black culture" to wear your pants down exposing your underwear. I've been Black all my life, and not once in those 35 years was I taught about pants sagging as a part of my culture. It's a prison fashion that has made it's way into the streets and it needs to be stopped. I know I am tired of seeing young men walking around with their underwear showing...it's tacky, disgusting, and it smacks of no home-training. It also goes to show that some of today's parents are pitiful, poor examples for their kids.
And as for the young women, they've focused so much on trying to attract these hoodlum-looking boys that they do so at the expense of being respected for something other than their body parts.
Unfortunately, I also agree that this will probably not pass because Black America accepts and promotes this behavior, despite it being a detriment to our communities. We have no one to blame but ourselves.
Derek, Miami, FL
Thank heaven somone is trying to do something about this ridiculous style and the constant interfering with one's genitals. How on earth is this "rooted in black culture?" It's a recent fad.
I hope it gets banned everywhere. However, I have no objection to girls showing their thongs and bra straps.
sonny, london,
Groooaannn.... Yet another episode that reinforces the world's view of Atlanta as a huge asylum composed of equal parts hip-thugs and redneck bubbas. And unfortunately, as a 35-year resident, I must say that it is a lot closer to the truth than we like to admit.
Eat a peach, y'all.
Charlie, Atlanta, GA
Seriously why do people think that actually looks cool ??
Heres a tip hip-hop fans... you can run away from the police a lot easier when you are not tripping over your jeans. So next time your tagging some train carriages you wont get caught !!
Ha ha ha ha...
Ron burgandy, sals, uk
Last weekend in Atlanta I went to the water park, and saw lots of young hip-hop type youths wearing boxer shorts AND swimming trunks at the same time - the latter drooping so that the former were visible. In the swimming pool!
Daniel Clarke, Atlanta, GA